Confirmed with Link: [COL / NYR] Chris Bigras Traded For Ryan Graves

[Gospel of Prospal]

I was waiting for an exchange of defensemen between these two teams for a while now...I just figured it would be Siemens for Dylan McIlrath

 

[Foppa2118]

What do you think Elliott's problem was? His issues seem very similar to Bigras. I thought he was going to be the better of the two between him and Barrie.

They're not quite the same players, but they have similar issues IMO. Barrie has them as well. He still displays a fear of contact and rushes passes because of it. Difference for Barrie though is it finally sunk in after Roy emphasized on his last demotion that he needed to get the puck and go. Not dilly dally or over think plays.

Someone like Girard can think his way out of the D zone. while guys like Elliott and Barrie can't. Debatable whether Bigras can. I think he has the smarts to play that style, but the problem is he never really calmed down in the NHL. He always looked apprehensive to me.

A lot of that had to do with the concussion, but I think it might also be due in part to his natural demeanor. It's why Grigo didn't really work out either. Really smart players, but just a little too much of a gentle soul for the NHL. You got to battle in the NHL. Not just physically, but mentally through the ups and downs, and through your mistakes, and injuries. Bigras and Elliot struggled with that.

 

[Balthazar]

Bigras was good in junior but he got hurt... after that he was afraid to get hit and it affected his play.... and he got hurt again... so he was even more afraid to get hit... and he got hurt even more seriously.

I don't know if he's super fragile or it's pure bad luck but I don't see how he'll get out of there TBH. Probably a serious case for a sport psychologist at this point.

 

[agentblack]

I think the lesson to be learned here is ...

...get more draft picks

 

[The Kingslayer]

I think he will do well in New York.

 

[S E P H]

Bigras was good in junior but he got hurt... after that he was afraid to get hit and it affected his play.... and he got hurt again... so he was even more afraid to get hit... and he got hurt even more seriously.

I don't know if he's super fragile or it's pure bad luck but I don't see how he'll get out of there TBH. Probably a serious case for a sport psychologist at this point.

I don't think it was a concussion in juniors though, if I remember it was a wrist/ankle injury?

I think the lesson to be learned here is ...

...get more draft picks

Lightning have had less draft picks, but more hits. Scouting is more important than more draft picks. If you want to see more draft picks, go see the Blackhawks and the amount of busts they picked right before their Cup runs.

 

[agentblack]

Well yes if you had Tampa's scouting dept you could have hardly any picks and surprise you got a Kucherov in the 7th round.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Well yes if you had Tampa's scouting dept you could have hardly any picks and surprise you got a Kucherov in the 7th round.

Wasnt Kucherov a 2nd rounder?

 

[Foppberg]

Wasnt Kucherov a 2nd rounder?

Yup. I remember Feaster/Calgary telling a story of they were debating which risk to take, Gaudreau or Kucherov? And they went with Gaudreau. But instead of taking two gamble picks they went with the one in Gaudreau, and the safer one in Tyler Wotherspoon, who they took 57th overall. 58th overall was Kucherov, imagine if they said f*** it let's gamble? Damn.

 

[agentblack]

Wasnt Kucherov a 2nd rounder?

Well yes him specifically, i meant to say a Kucherov type talent

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Wasnt Kucherov a 2nd rounder?

He was and the flames were targeting him thinking he'd be great along with Gaudreau... that would've been a sight.

 

[agentblack]

That would have been crazy. But see if Tampa had more picks they could have had them both.

 

[The Kingslayer]

He was and the flames were targeting him thinking he'd be great along with Gaudreau... that would've been a sight.

Scary.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

That would have been crazy. But see if Tampa had more picks they could have had them both.

Or flames coulda had both... of they had more picks.

Tampa have capitalized on teams being Russian shy.

 

[McMetal]

Not a fan of Graves at all, I feel like we lost this deal. Regardless of whether Woody was done here or not, you should be able to get better value out of a prospect that still had NHL upside.

 

[Alex Jones]

Elliot was like Gormley in the sense that he just wasn't strong enough to play at the NHL level.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

So I would assume Graves goes to San Antonio and Alt stays up with the big club?

 

[McMetal]

So I would assume Graves goes to San Antonio and Alt stays up with the big club?

Probably. Alt has to stay because he's a waiver claim, and that leaves 7D in the NHL, which is what they've been rolling with. Graves is purely depth, I think.

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

Not a fan of Graves at all, I feel like we lost this deal. Regardless of whether Woody was done here or not, you should be able to get better value out of a prospect that still had NHL upside.

He doesn't have nhl upside. Bigras would have cleared waivers.

 

[PAZ]

Bigras is a dime a dozen prospects, plenty of other teams have a similar player like him. As for Graves... i'm sure it's just the lighting but damn, it looks like he has plastic surgery:

 

[Patagonia]

So I would assume Graves goes to San Antonio and Alt stays up with the big club?

Sakic interview last night clarified DMen injuries have depleted their roster and minor moves were for depth.

Alt is a UFA and this is essentially a PTO if he wants to continue his career; he has about 20 games to prove himself. Graves has less potential than Bigras, but might be more NHL ready. A low risk trade to add extra depth, their careers have stalled and they need a change.

 

[Murzu]

Goodbye Bigras. I truly expected you to be 2nd pair D for us for a long time. I hope he finds success in New York.

 

[Postanin CB Ting]

I remember when we drafted him he was supposed to be our Vlasic. Makes me pump the breaks on prospect comparisons

 

[Pokecheque]

I heard comparisons to Bouwmeester, which actually made me far less bullish on him (believe me if he had panned out that way I wouldn't have complained, but I've just never been a J-Bo fan). Either way I'd be pretty shocked if he turned into an NHL regular.

 

[Rumplesnipeskin]

Bigras is a dime a dozen prospects, plenty of other teams have a similar player like him. As for Graves... i'm sure it's just the lighting but damn, it looks like he has plastic surgery:

Welcome to the punchable face club, Graves