Confirmed with Link: [COL / NYR] Chris Bigras Traded For Ryan Graves

[Avs71]

Bigras should be a cautionary story for those who think we can move Barrie because we have a couple of D prospects.

But Barrie was the proof the Avs knew what they were doing when they traded Shattenkirk.

Although I’m sure they were banking more on Elliott, and lucked out that both didn’t completely bust.

 

[Ivan13]

But Barrie was the proof the Avs knew what they were doing when they traded Shattenkirk.

Sherm the Worm had the power of foresight. That's basically cheating.

On a more serious note, they just had dumb luck. And quite frankly if they though someone would be this good out of the guys on the farm they probably pegged Stefan to be it, not Ty.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I think we all know the moment the org was probably done with Bigras. Any guesses?

When he told him that his name was pronounced Bee-Graw instead of Bigger-Ass

 

[avsfan09]

Bigras has the tools to be good, has the toolbox as well, but you can't play afraid in this league.

That was obviously the issue. Question is if with the right support could he have become comfortable? I think he is the type of guy who needed coaches to give him leeway until he became comfortable because of how he processes the game. Hope the guy keeps working at it because he has the skills and smarts. Just needs to figure out how to compose himself and simplify.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Sherm the Worm had the power of foresight. That's basically cheating.

On a more serious note, they just had dumb luck. And quite frankly if they though someone would be this good out of the guys on the farm they probably pegged Stefan to be it, not Ty.

Yea, the team definitely seemed more high on Elliott than Barrie. Elliott was bigger and smoother as well, just had the same panic tendencies as Bigras.

 

[Avs71]

Sherm the Worm had the power of foresight. That's basically cheating.

On a more serious note, they just had dumb luck. And quite frankly if they though someone would be this good out of the guys on the farm they probably pegged Stefan to be it, not Ty.

You beat my edit apparently, but I was saying literally the exact same thing.

Unless you’ve seen the defenceman in the NHL, you can never bank on how they’ll turn out.

 

[Ivan13]

That was obviously the issue. Question is if with the right support could he have become comfortable? I think he is the type of guy who needed coaches to give him leeway until he became comfortable because of how he processes the game. Hope the guy keeps working at it because he has the skills and smarts. Just needs to figure out how to compose himself and simplify.

I don't think his gaffes were caused by fear of making a mistake, but rather out of fear of being run over. Can't coach that IMHO.

 

[Ivan13]

You beat my edit apparently, but I was saying literally the exact same thing.

Unless you’ve seen the defenceman in the NHL, you can never bank on how they’ll turn out.

I kind of sensed you were going in that direction, so I beat you to it

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

The Avs just don't seem to have any luck with these safe defensemen with good skillsets/brains. We need those wild card gambits. Thought guys like Bigras, Gaunce and Elliott would be NHLers for sure.

 

[lonelybadger]

I'm Glade me throwing bigras into every trade proposal was pretty much spot on as he appears to be worth nothing.

 

[henchman21]

Bigras has the tools to be good, has the toolbox as well, but you can't play afraid in this league.

The concussions ruined him...

 

[avsfan09]

I don't think his gaffes were caused by fear of making a mistake, but rather out of fear of being run over. Can't coach that IMHO.

That's possible as well. That's almost impossible to coach out. Maybe he has ptsd from that concussion

 

[henchman21]

On the bright side of this, this is a good situation for Graves to fall into and the Avs may have their captain for the Eagles next year. He's a good kid that is a hard worker and never complains. If he gets it together I could see him being a big part of developing Meloche/Makar/Timmins in the future.

 

[AvsGuy]

I thought Ryan Graves was Ryan Gropp so I figured win. Now I don’t know.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

I honestly hope that both of these guys have a small "re-set" in their development track and end up having some impact in the NHL down the line.

Change of scenery for change of scenery is always a roll of the dice, one team can come out way better in revisionist history. We'll have to see I guess.

 

[El Travo]

I don't mind this at all, even if Bigras turns it around in NY. He wasn't going to get another bunch of chances to stick here.

No point holding onto a toy if you aren't going to use it.

 

[tucker3434]

I’m surprised we ended up holding onto Siemens longer than Bigras. Oh wel, at least the streak continues.

 

[AvsGuy]

Is this what happened with Johnny Boychuk

 

[CB Joe]

This one might come back to bite the Avs but I'm glad the Avs were willing to move him for something rather than hold on to him forever like they did with Siemens.

 

[Freudian]

Is this what happened with Johnny Boychuk

Or Nigel Williams.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Or Nigel Williams.

And Colby Cohen

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

And Colby Cohen

Don't forget Cam Gaunce!

 

[Goulet17]

C. Pronman on Ryan Graves in last year. It seems like he has struggled a bit this year.

 

[Congo Jack]

And Colby Cohen

And Stefan Elliott

 

[henchman21]

C. Pronman on Ryan Graves in last year.

*year

Graves took a significant step back this year.