Confirmed Signing with Link: [COL] D Devon Toews signs extension with the Avalanche (7 years, $7.25M AAV)

[Freudian]

They said Byram and Girard is also number 1 D, along with Cal Foote and Josh Manson and the janitor that cleans the floor. All of them are number 1 D in the eyes of Avs fans. Their janitor is number one in terms of games won when the janitor cleans on game days

I hate to get in the way of a good rant streak but still:

I don't think you are making a good faith effort to describe the views of Avs fans. It's possible you encountered a loon with those views but most certainly doesn't have them. Nor did Avs fans overhype Newhook. Quite the opposite. Most were disappointed with him.

If you ask most Avs fans they'll probably have the view that Makar is a 1D, Toews a 1-2D, Girard a 2-3D and Byram a middle pairing defender with room to become a top pairing guy. All very realistic views and far from the views you claim Avs fans have.

 

[WarriorOfGandhi]

They said Byram and Girard is also number 1 D, along with Cal Foote and Josh Manson and the janitor that cleans the floor. All of them are number 1 D in the eyes of Avs fans. Their janitor is number one in terms of games won when the janitor cleans on game days

They also said Ross Colton would win a scoring title because “it was named after him”. embarassing

 

[hawksrule]

Good deal for Avs.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

So you think all of HF Boards is delusional?

HFBoards Top 25 Defensemen in the NHL - #25

The Finale! Thanks to everyone for participating. Enjoyed running the polls and the debates along the way. Rank First Name Last Name Team Age % of Vote 1 Cale Makar :avs 24 123/173 (71.1%) 2 Adam Fox :rangers 25 72/160 (45.0%) 3 Victor Hedman :bolts 32 51/211 (24.2%) 4 Miro Heiskanen...

forums.hfboards.com

What about NHL.com?

NHL Top Players: Top 20 Defensemen | NHL.com

NHL Network reveals best of current crop

www.nhl.com

Or The Athletic?

https://theathletic.com/4863183/2023/09/18/nhl-best-players-list-2023-2024-season?source=user-shared-article

Quite literally anywhere you look, Toews is unanimously a Top 20 Dman and on every ranking but HF, he's Top 15.

The more posts you read the more clear it becomes that HFBoards is delusional.

 

[redandyellowcametobe]

Hughes is scoring goals now too and he plays in all situations. PP, PK and 5 on 5 and drive the Canucks offense. You seem too ignorant of Hughes abilities if you think he is just a glorified PP specialist lol

Also your beloved Toews plays with players like Makar, Rantanen, McKinnon etc. So you should also use the same logic for your own dman who plays on an even more skilled team with more skilled players

Hughes is scoring goals now? Um, he had a whopping 7 last year and no goals yet this year. He a bit of a bounce back year last year defensively reaching about average, but with that muffin of a shot, he’ll never be a goal scorer. Hes never once has more goals than Toews with PP1 time.

If Slavin is a #1 D then so is Toews. Their numbers are closer in about every metric than most people think. And yes, that includes away from Makar. They are hardly stapled to each other. Toews is ELITE in his own zone and that has nothing to do with what forwards he’s playing with.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Hughes is scoring goals now too and he plays in all situations. PP, PK and 5 on 5 and drive the Canucks offense. You seem too ignorant of Hughes abilities if you think he is just a glorified PP specialist lol

When exactly is Hughes "scoring goals now too" actually going to show up on the score sheet? Because, from what I can see on the score sheet, Hughes has scored 18 total goals in his last 212 games played (since 2020-21), including a grand total of 2 PP goals.

And, during that time, Hughes leads all NHL defenseman with just under 800 minutes of PP time (2nd place is Fox with 735 minutes), where he has scored 87 of his 189 points. There's literally no defenseman in the NHL with more PP time or PP assists than Hughes, so why wouldn't I call him a PP assist specialist? It may not be the whole truth, but it's certainly more accurate than anything you've said about Toews to this point.

 

[AslanRH]

he scores a lot in practice and real hockey people would know that.
It's the casuals that merely look at game stats

 

[jackjohnson]

When exactly is Hughes "scoring goals now too" actually going to show up on the score sheet? Because, from what I can see on the score sheet, Hughes has scored 18 total goals in his last 212 games played (since 2020-21), including a grand total of 2 PP goals.

And, during that time, Hughes leads all NHL defenseman with just under 800 minutes of PP time (2nd place is Fox with 735 minutes), where he has scored 87 of his 189 points. There's literally no defenseman in the NHL with more PP time or PP assists than Hughes, so why wouldn't I call him a PP assist specialist? It may not be the whole truth, but it's certainly more accurate than anything you've said about Toews to this point.

Because it makes you look ignorant if you just call him a PP specialist. He is Canucks number 1 D that plays 30 minutes in all situations but dont let facts get in the way of being ignorant

he scores a lot in practice and real hockey people would know that.
It's the casuals that merely look at game stats

I wouldn't even call them casuals since even casuals have a bit of knowledge about top players. When you hear comments about Hughes just being a specialist shows how ignorant a some are honestly. Also they didn't see Hughes score in preseason games yet talk about games from 4 years ago.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Because it makes you look ignorant if you just call him a PP specialist. He is Canucks number 1 D that plays 30 minutes in all situations but dont let facts get in the way of being ignorant

Oh my... The irony here is just out of control.

 

[jackjohnson]

I hate to get in the way of a good rant streak but still:

I don't think you are making a good faith effort to describe the views of Avs fans. It's possible you encountered a loon with those views but most certainly doesn't have them. Nor did Avs fans overhype Newhook. Quite the opposite. Most were disappointed with him.

If you ask most Avs fans they'll probably have the view that Makar is a 1D, Toews a 1-2D, Girard a 2-3D and Byram a middle pairing defender with room to become a top pairing guy. All very realistic views and far from the views you claim Avs fans have.

Maybe it's just the Avs fans on HFboard which makes other Avs fans look bad. Am just making observations of how they post on these forums.

Oh my... The irony here is just out of control.

He does play 30 minutes in some games so I didn't lie. Never said he averages 30 minutes a game but some games last year he was forced to play 30 minutes especially when we had injuries.

Oh my... The irony here is just out of control.

Also you and Spinoramma always make some nonsense posts regarding Canucks players. So whatever you say I would always take with a grain of salt.

 

[AslanRH]

Oh my... The irony here is just out of control.

he played over 28 minutes 15/68 games last season. if that isn't a 30 minute dman I don't know what is

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

Honestly is Toews that much better than Hronek?

With the difference in cap hits you could have Hughes Hronek AND Myers for about the same price as Makar and Toews.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Those stats aren't reflective of how good he is. I mean wins above replacement is a team stat not really an individual stat and he plays for the Avs who are stacked. Put Hughes on Avs and he can have higher numbers. Then you also post Norris votes which is basically subjective and not really a stat. How about posting how much points or assists he has compared to Hughes?? I know he is a good defenseman but he seems to be a product of Avs depth and talent that is making him look much better imo. Devon Toews on Canucks won't have remotely the same stats as he does for the Avs playing next to Makar.

Delete. Had started to respond with the even strength numbers that someone else had already posted but i hadn't read yet, but i wll use this post to respond to one of your later posts. Even strength points is not an obscure stat and is much more indicative of overall hockey skill than bloated pp stats.

 

[King 88]

One of the most underrated dmen in the league. What a steal.

 

[Avs9296]

Maybe it's just the Avs fans on HFboard which makes other Avs fans look bad. Am just making observations of how they post on these forums.


He does play 30 minutes in some games so I didn't lie. Never said he averages 30 minutes a game but some games last year he was forced to play 30 minutes especially when we had injuries.


Also you and Spinoramma always make some nonsense posts regarding Canucks players. So whatever you say I would always take with a grain of salt.

Quit dodging the question he posed to you. You said Hughes is scoring (more) goals now.

He's not. Plain and simple.

He's still a fantastic offensive defenseman. Goals just aren't his forte. He's an excellent skater and setup man.

 

[lionsDen]

Did he ever play at #1D level to proclaim he can be #1D on 20 other teams in the NHL? The places he played always had stacked D. Put Noah Juulsen on the Avs roster and he will look like a #1D playing with Makar or Byram or Girard. When you have Josh Manson on the last pairing, it shows how much depth Avs have on D and that helps make any defenseman playing for them look much better. Hughes does a lot of heavy lifting and plays for 30 minutes most times which I don't think Toews could as evidenced by how the Avs defensive play dropped once Makar was injured. Canucks have only Hughes to rely on while Avs have around 6 Dmannthey can rely on. Obviously Canucks added to their D in offseason and addition of Hronek seems to have paid off now. But prior to that we had Hughes playing with Luke freaking schenn or Ethan Bear. Put Toews in that situation and see how he does before proclaiming the guy as the absolute #1 D.

Ok so this is about Hughes, not towed. Gotcha. Didn’t we already have these arguments with another Av. Makar?
A lot of people that are smarter than us have called towes #8 in Norris trophy voting. That was the presumed arguement. That he wouldn’t be(your claim) a #1 on 20 other teams. Let’s try and keep the ADD to a minimum

 

[Alienblood]

Did he ever play at #1D level to proclaim he can be #1D on 20 other teams in the NHL? The places he played always had stacked D. Put Noah Juulsen on the Avs roster and he will look like a #1D playing with Makar or Byram or Girard. When you have Josh Manson on the last pairing, it shows how much depth Avs have on D and that helps make any defenseman playing for them look much better. Hughes does a lot of heavy lifting and plays for 30 minutes most times which I don't think Toews could as evidenced by how the Avs defensive play dropped once Makar was injured. Canucks have only Hughes to rely on while Avs have around 6 Dmannthey can rely on. Obviously Canucks added to their D in offseason and addition of Hronek seems to have paid off now. But prior to that we had Hughes playing with Luke freaking schenn or Ethan Bear. Put Toews in that situation and see how he does before proclaiming the guy as the absolute #1 D.

the Avs record is impeccable with Makar out , what are you talking about ?

 

[Linds]

Everytime jack replies, I get a good laugh

 

[Arto Kilponen]

I don't think it is very fair to judge Toews so that you include powerplay in the numbers, because he really doesn't play all that much PP. Although when he does, I think he ranks pretty high on powerplay points per powerplay minutes on ice.

I also disagree with this "unanimous top-X player". For example, Finnish Urheilulehti has clearly lined that Toews is not even a key player for Avs. Was never since his arrival. Finnish Total Hockey Forever didn't include Toews (or Makar) as top-3 players for Avalanche. The Hockey Guy here:

says that Toews isn't in top-30.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Because it makes you look ignorant if you just call him a PP specialist. He is Canucks number 1 D that plays 30 minutes in all situations but dont let facts get in the way of being ignorant


I wouldn't even call them casuals since even casuals have a bit of knowledge about top players. When you hear comments about Hughes just being a specialist shows how ignorant a some are honestly. Also they didn't see Hughes score in preseason games yet talk about games from 4 years ago.

Maybe you should be more concerned with how you look when you claim Toews is just a product of Makar, despite all the evidence that proves you wrong. Or how you look claiming things that are easily proven wrong, like that Hughes plays 30 minutes (he really averages less than 26 per game).

I also don't know how being the Canucks 1D proves anything about Hughes being more than a PP specialist. They literally have the worst PK in the NHL over the last 2 seasons, which are the only two years when Hughes has even PKed (albeit, less than 1:20 per game). For being such an allegedly great "all situations" defenseman, I'd think he'd both play more on the PK and actually make their PK not suck so badly. But, instead, he just gets a bunch of PP assists while his team misses the playoffs.

 

[Avs44]

I don't think it is very fair to judge Toews so that you include powerplay in the numbers, because he really doesn't play all that much PP. Although when he does, I think he ranks pretty high on powerplay points per powerplay minutes on ice.

I also disagree with this "unanimous top-X player". For example, Finnish Urheilulehti has clearly lined that Toews is not even a key player for Avs. Was never since his arrival. Finnish Total Hockey Forever didn't include Toews (or Makar) as top-3 players for Avalanche. The Hockey Guy here:
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says that Toews isn't in top-30.

Sorry, who is "the hockey guy"? I'm entering into a rant, here, that extends well beyond Toews, but as far as I can tell he's just another moronic "influencer" or (in the most charitable interpretation) superfan (aka, random hockey fan) along the lines of Steve Dangle and others of his sort who happen to love the game but have absolutely zero expertise. This doesn't even have to do with Toews specifically -- but why on earth should we take seriously these sorts of "influencers" who simply started up a youtube channel to share their opinions? What are this gentleman's credentials? What level of the game has he played at and/or what are his coaching credetials? And if he doesn't have those sorts of demonstrable credentials -- if he hasn't played at a high level in North America (e.g. CHL) or coached at a high level or been a scout at a high level -- then he's just a random fan and yet another idiot "influencer" whose opinion is worth as much as any random HFer.

I'm tired of us pretending that folks like Dangle have special or educated opinions.

 

[lionsDen]

I don't think it is very fair to judge Toews so that you include powerplay in the numbers, because he really doesn't play all that much PP. Although when he does, I think he ranks pretty high on powerplay points per powerplay minutes on ice.

I also disagree with this "unanimous top-X player". For example, Finnish Urheilulehti has clearly lined that Toews is not even a key player for Avs. Was never since his arrival. Finnish Total Hockey Forever didn't include Toews (or Makar) as top-3 players for Avalanche. The Hockey Guy here:
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says that Toews isn't in top-30.

his bias is clearly on display as he is a Canucks fan

 

[ThePsychicSaw]

Worst decision isles made. I was ok with it at the time but in hindsight it was the wrong decision. Happy Toews found a nice home with the AVS

Makes zero sense.

If that's the WORST decision your franchise ever made, when you admit you were okay with it at the time, you are objectively wrong.

 

[shadow1]

Sorry, who is "the hockey guy"? I'm entering into a rant, here, that extends well beyond Toews, but as far as I can tell he's just another moronic "influencer" or (in the most charitable interpretation) superfan (aka, random hockey fan) along the lines of Steve Dangle and others of his sort who happen to love the game but have absolutely zero expertise. This doesn't even have to do with Toews specifically -- but why on earth should we take seriously these sorts of "influencers" who simply started up a youtube channel to share their opinions? What are this gentleman's credentials? What level of the game has he played at and/or what are his coaching credetials? And if he doesn't have those sorts of demonstrable credentials -- if he hasn't played at a high level in North America (e.g. CHL) or coached at a high level or been a scout at a high level -- then he's just a random fan and yet another idiot "influencer" whose opinion is worth as much as any random HFer.

I'm tired of us pretending that folks like Dangle have special or educated opinions.

The Hockey Guy runs his Youtube channel for a living, he watches and recaps every game. His opinion is just one man's (which he points out both in the video and in its title), but it is a unique one because of how much NHL hockey he consumes.

Thought I disagree with his opinion in this case, he is generally very neutral and objective. If I recall correctly, he said in a later video that had he done a top-40 defensemen, both Byram and Toews would've made the list.

 

[SI90]

Makes zero sense.

If that's the WORST decision your franchise ever made, when you admit you were okay with it at the time, you are objectively wrong.

Hindsight genius. I was ok because I thought they were choosing Leddy. They ended up trading Leddy. Should have just kept Toews,re-signed him, and traded Leddy sooner.