Coaching staff shakeup?

[The Macho King]

I dont think its been coaching. I think they are just struggling as a team to get the puck in the net. They havent capitalized on their opportunities like they were earlier this season. They also need to be more disciplined and stay out of the box but I feel like no matter what they will get calls. I think they need to be better prepared for adversity and expect it to happen. Nobody is in favor of this team doing anything, so they need to take it upon themselves and make it happen. They have the players and coaching to do it. Just need to snap themselves out of that funk and start playing 60 mins of hockey. The scoring will come, just keep throwing that puck at the net. Good things happen.

I think the issue is we weren't throwing the puck at the net enough. Early in the season we were getting a lot of goals, but as a team we had an unsustainable shot%. You're never going to bury every scoring opportunity, but we were burying a disproportionate amount of them. When we regressed to the mean with shot%, we didn't have enough shots on goal to be able to maintain the scoring pace.

That's one of the things I noticed about this team since Guy's been here. We're almost always behind on SOGs. As a whole, the team goes for high quality scoring chances over just getting pucks to the net. Sometimes, it works out, but sometimes it leads to those frustrating moments of throwing it into the crease in the O-zone for a turnover. I'd love to see us, as a team, shoot more, and shoot low with traffic in front of the net and clean up some rebounds. Other than maybe Teddy, there's not a single player on this team that's not willing to get dirty in the crease for their goals. This would make Malone more of a threat (instead of a slow skating anchor on whichever line he's placed on), and maybe increase our scoring opportunities as a whole. Why do we love the third line so much? Because Pyatt is a ****ing hound on the puck, and they get traffic in front of the net and try to get dirty goals. That type of play needs to permeate every line.

 

[MacOfNiagara]

Not an advocate of losing Boucher but ill put this out there.

Next season Jon Cooper will have an NHL coaching job. IF you're going to make a coaching move, wouldn't that be the time to do it and keep the best young coach available inside the organization?

Yes. Yes he will.

 

[Kusic]

I'd see a coaching shakeup only at goaltending position. Frantz Jean is terrible coach. We have/had Lindbäck, Garon, Roloson, Smith, Ellis and the results are same. We need good goaltending coach and Jean isn't good. Just fire him.. Rolie would be better coach, I guess

And of course, we need finally a power-play coach. Flemming was the best, and it's time to find a replacement.. good replacement. It's really sad, that we have Stammer, Vinny, Marty, Teddy, Carle, Salo and others, and our power-play is one of the worst in the NHL

 

[The Macho King]

Our power play is no where near one of the worst in the NHL. And in fact, when we actually get in the zone, it's probably the best. We're just awful at getting it into the zone.

I am starting to wonder about Guy, though. Goaltending is obvious, but beyond that... is he the guy? We have so much talent on this team, probably our most talented team in years, and we're not performing like it. It's pretty damn frustrating. Our lack of forecheck is ridiculous, and our Dzone coverage is normally pretty bad.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Our power play is no where near one of the worst in the NHL. And in fact, when we actually get in the zone, it's probably the best. We're just awful at getting it into the zone.

I am starting to wonder about Guy, though. Goaltending is obvious, but beyond that... is he the guy? We have so much talent on this team, probably our most talented team in years, and we're not performing like it. It's pretty damn frustrating. Our lack of forecheck is ridiculous, and our Dzone coverage is normally pretty bad.

Whoa whoa whoa lets not get crazy. This is far from our best lineup in years. We do not have anywhere near the 3-4 line depth we once had. We don't have the 5-6 defensive depth we have had.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

I'd see a coaching shakeup only at goaltending position. Frantz Jean is terrible coach. We have/had Lindbäck, Garon, Roloson, Smith, Ellis and the results are same. We need good goaltending coach and Jean isn't good. Just fire him.. Rolie would be better coach, I guess

And of course, we need finally a power-play coach. Flemming was the best, and it's time to find a replacement.. good replacement. It's really sad, that we have Stammer, Vinny, Marty, Teddy, Carle, Salo and others, and our power-play is one of the worst in the NHL

Wayne was never the powerplay coach, first of all - he did more for team defense than anything. Second, our powerplay is pretty ****ing far from the worst. Bite your tongue.

 

[The Macho King]

Whoa whoa whoa lets not get crazy. This is far from our best lineup in years. We do not have anywhere near the 3-4 line depth we once had. We don't have the 5-6 defensive depth we have had.

I think maybe we're making Bergenheim into more than what he was. Other than that, Moore has definitely been downgraded, but not a huge downgrade with Pyatt. I think our fourth line is actually better. 5-6 D... we need another defensive Dman back there and make it a shutdown pair instead of having Lee/Bergeron as 6/7. We have three offensive-minded Dman in the top 4, we don't need a PP specialist, so there I agree with you.

BUT: Our Top 6 is better and our Top 4 is better. We should be running away with the division, tbh. And I hate our passive forecheck. Create havoc, damnit!

 

[MattM92]

Our powerplay is no where near worst in the league. In fact if we sort out the zone entry and get a little more aggressive in crashing the net or attacking the puck, it'll probably be the best. I'm still not fond of Boucher though. We just make mistake after mistake in such basic fundamentals, there's no excuse for it. The problem isn't just Boucher though, it's the entire coaching staff (especially Frantz Jean imo. I remember when Roli was in a slump with us and he decided to ignore anything the coaching staff suggested and just worked on his own game and he went on a tear. There's your sign.)

 

[kisin]

What is Yzerman waiting for? Fire that mother****er who has ruined every single goalie that came here. ****ing unbelievable.

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

Can't wait until Vasilevski gets to the NHL and we have finally a real goalie.

Ride Garon for the moment, he deserves it

(This isn't directed at you) what if Vasilevski doesn't impress us in his first 13 starts? Patience my friends. Way to early to give up on Lindback.

What is Yzerman waiting for? Fire that mother****er who has ruined every single goalie that came here. ****ing unbelievable.

Because that would be rash and unlike a lot of people Yzerman doesn't consider him a mother******. Don't forget, he worked with our minor league goalies too, the ones who won an AHL championship and set some playoff records. And Garon, he seems fine. Still not broke yet. You don't ruin goalies in 1 month.

 

[kisin]

Don't forget, he worked with our minor league goalies too, the ones who won an AHL championship and set some playoff records. And Garon, he seems fine. Still not broke yet. You don't ruin goalies in 1 month.

Well, just take a look at Helenius' and Tokarski's stats. Coincidence? The longer you are a goalie of the TBL, the worse netminder you are becoming. Rolie and Cedrick were doing fine at first. When it comes to Jean's turn, everything seems to be going in the wrong direction. Agreed on Garon, though.

 

[Felonious Python]

To be fair about Lindback's play, they did find horse meat in the meatballs at Ikea.

 

[LGB 26]

Because that would be rash and unlike a lot of people Yzerman doesn't consider him a mother******. Don't forget, he worked with our minor league goalies too, the ones who won an AHL championship and set some playoff records. And Garon, he seems fine. Still not broke yet. You don't ruin goalies in 1 month.

Does a good AHL goal coach make a great NHL coach? Maybe Garon has different reasons for success?

Roloson said he stopped listening to him and doing his own thing and finished strong. Obviously Smith has excelled under a different coach.

 

[Felonious Python]

Let's not forget Tokarski's slide.

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

Well, just take a look at Helenius' and Tokarski's stats. Coincidence? The longer you are a goalie of the TBL, the worse netminder you are becoming. Rolie and Cedrick were doing fine at first. When it comes to Jean's turn, everything seems to be going in the wrong direction. Agreed on Garon, though.

Coincidence of what? That whole team struggled. You want to blame Franz for the whole Crunch organization for slumping. That's a ridiculous theory. Helenius was bad in the American to begin with. That's the whole reason he was pushed over seas. With Rolie, he's 40 something years old. He's been at this for a long time and trained with a lot of goalie coaches. I refuse to believe that age and our long playoff run didn't play a bigger factor into him digressing than worker with Franz, for the 2nd year he met him. With Smitty, he was like that with Cap Reader. If anything he ended his stay here on a high note and got better after being sent down for conditioning that Spring. And Desjardins, how can you even bring his name up? He played great here. He played 1A over Tokarski. Maybe an injury had something to do with his struggles, or the teams he played on after he left.

Again it's way to early to put a label on Lindback that he's failed or succeed in becoming a starter. Right now we're finally finding out his weaknesses and things he needs to focus training on.

Also I'd like to say I don't know if Franz has done the best job, so I'm not a Franz super supporter or anything. I know everyone on this board loves to have a scapegoat, and I don't think you blame every bad thing that happens on him.

 

[Felonious Python]

Coincidence of what? That whole team struggled. You want to blame Franz for the whole Crunch organization for slumping. That's a ridiculous theory. Helenius was bad in the American to begin with. That's the whole reason he was pushed over seas. With Rolie, he's 40 something years old. He's been at this for a long time and trained with a lot of goalie coaches. I refuse to believe that age and our long playoff run didn't play a bigger factor into him digressing than worker with Franz, for the 2nd year he met him. With Smitty, he was like that with Cap Reader. If anything he ended his stay here on a high note and got better after being sent down for conditioning that Spring. And Desjardins, how can you even bring his name up? He played great here. He played 1A over Tokarski. Maybe an injury had something to do with his struggles, or the teams he played on after he left.

Again it's way to early to put a label on Lindback that he's failed or succeed in becoming a starter. Right now we're finally finding out his weaknesses and things he needs to focus training on.

Also I'd like to say I don't know if Franz has done the best job, so I'm not a Franz super supporter or anything. I know everyone on this board loves to have a scapegoat, and I don't think you blame every bad thing that happens on him.

The Pens are also a good team.

 

[dbieon12]

Can't wait until Vasilevski gets to the NHL and we have finally a real goalie.

Ride Garon for the moment, he deserves it

It's too late, Frantz has already gotten to him:

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Coincidence of what? That whole team struggled. You want to blame Franz for the whole Crunch organization for slumping. That's a ridiculous theory. Helenius was bad in the American to begin with. That's the whole reason he was pushed over seas. With Rolie, he's 40 something years old. He's been at this for a long time and trained with a lot of goalie coaches. I refuse to believe that age and our long playoff run didn't play a bigger factor into him digressing than worker with Franz, for the 2nd year he met him. With Smitty, he was like that with Cap Reader. If anything he ended his stay here on a high note and got better after being sent down for conditioning that Spring. And Desjardins, how can you even bring his name up? He played great here. He played 1A over Tokarski. Maybe an injury had something to do with his struggles, or the teams he played on after he left.

Again it's way to early to put a label on Lindback that he's failed or succeed in becoming a starter. Right now we're finally finding out his weaknesses and things he needs to focus training on.

Also I'd like to say I don't know if Franz has done the best job, so I'm not a Franz super supporter or anything. I know everyone on this board loves to have a scapegoat, and I don't think you blame every bad thing that happens on him.

A lot of it falls on the defensive system that we employ. Too often we let the other team waltz into our zone with the puck and are shocked that we can't clear it. It results in long stints that require outstanding goaltending that most can't provide.

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Also, Letang should rob banks. He'd get away with it every time.

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

Does a good AHL goal coach make a great NHL coach? Maybe Garon has different reasons for success?

Roloson said he stopped listening to him and doing his own thing and finished strong. Obviously Smith has excelled under a different coach.

If your AHL goalies become your NHL starters than yes a good AHL coach does make a good NHL coach I guess. Tokarski played as one of the top AHL goalies and had major success with Frantz. He helped develop him and Janus. Until the trade I thought Frantz would have kept working with Tic as he made it to the NHL. If either of these guys make it to the NHL, than Frantz should get some credit here too.

Maybe Garon does have different reasons. He's a vet like Roli and both guys were success before they came here. They know the game and have met different hockey minds and trained different ways. What works for one guy may not work for others. It's hard to say though his success shouldn't be counted while Lindback's faults should rest on Jean's shoulders. I think that's picking and choosing what we want.

With Smith, it's not just a different coach, it's a different everything. It's a better defensive team, one that made the playoffs 2 years in a row before Smitty,and a different system. Look at Bryzgalov. His numbers were much better in Phoenix. Over there he was top 5 in Vezina and Hart trophy voting. The only surprise about Smitty for me is that he's stayed healthy this long and hasn't lost in confidence yet.

 

[LGB 26]

To be fair about Lindback's play, they did find horse meat in the meatballs at Ikea.

Its just a shame he cant stop the meatballs. Ba-dum-chssshh.

 

[LGB 26]

If your AHL goalies become your NHL starters than yes a good AHL coach does make a good NHL coach I guess. Tokarski played as one of the top AHL goalies and had major success with Frantz. He helped develop him and Janus. If either of these guys make it to the NHL, than Frantz should get some credit here.

With Smith, it's not just a different coach, it's a different everything. It's a better defensive team, one that made the playoffs 2 years in a row before Smitty,and a different system. Look at Bryzgalov. His numbers were much better in Phoenix. Over there he was top 5 in Vezina and Hart trophy voting. The only surprise about Smitty for me is that he's stayed healthy this long and hasn't lost in confidence yet.

Fair enough, I agree with Smith's situation.

One thing I cant stand is the poke check defense. Our team rarely ever checks or takes a man out of the play, its just a collapse and pokecheck mentality. Sure the stats say we are hittting... but they are creampuff hits where the player just bounces off.

 

[LightningStrikes]

I moved a couple of posts from the GDT here.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

(This isn't directed at you) what if Vasilevski doesn't impress us in his first 13 starts? Patience my friends. Way to early to give up on Lindback.

I give up on finding a #1 goalie for this team

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

I give up on finding a #1 goalie for this team

It will pay off with one of our young guys. It has to. Right? Right? And then we'll be set for years and years and we won't ever have to worry again. Ever.

 

[ThunderAlleyNomad]

Does a good AHL goal coach make a great NHL coach? Maybe Garon has different reasons for success?

Roloson said he stopped listening to him and doing his own thing and finished strong. Obviously Smith has excelled under a different coach.

I'm not going to say that there is no problem with Franz Jean. I've had my doubts about him since Roli spoke up. But...Smith also went to an extremely strong defensive system in Phoenix. And although our defense has improved here, it's still not great. Let's face it, after Salo and Hedman we have complaints about EVERYBODY else on the D. After every single game. Except maybe Aulie.

 

[LGB 26]

It just sucks.