Coaching staff shakeup?

[The Macho King]

Bergeron at forward.

The tank is on.

 

[dbieon12]

This:
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/sports/story.html?id=4f36ff0d-ab87-4ed3-962e-661d1dddb5e7

And this:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...death-philosophy-back-for-tampa-bay-lightning

"Safe is Death" helped the team run to the cup. "Safe is Death" helped the team in 2010 make it into the playoffs (the last time the team has been there).

Boucher's system preaches safety.

Boucher DOES NOT equal playoffs in Tampa. Boucher DOES NOT equal Stanley Cup in Tampa.

Yeah yeah, 2010 was Boucher, but his system wasn't in place completely. He may win elsewhere, but the players are not responding to his system.

 

[LightningStrikes]

Erik Erlendsson ‏@erlendssonTBO
Luke warm at best RT @Kentholio: How hot is Boucher's seat?

https://twitter.com/erlendssonTBO

 

[dbieon12]

https://twitter.com/erlendssonTBO

Then Yzerman's seat better be getting warmer.

 

[Coopers Gum]

https://twitter.com/erlendssonTBO

Sooo... This is going to sound dumb, but what does that mean? Boucher is semi in the hot seat?

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Then Yzerman's seat better be getting warmer.

Yawn

 

[Felonious Python]

Then Yzerman's seat better be getting warmer.

There isn't much of a need for heated seats in Florida.

 

[The Macho King]

Yzerman is fine. I think he has tried to address the gaps in our team and has done a great job stocking our cupboards.

Boucher is not. That being said, I don't want him fired mid-season necessarily, but I don't want his ass behind the bench next season, that's for sure. I wouldn't be against him being fired this season, I just don't really see the point when he's doing a great job tanking the team.

 

[dbieon12]

Yzerman is fine. I think he has tried to address the gaps in our team and has done a great job stocking our cupboards.

Boucher is not. That being said, I don't want him fired mid-season necessarily, but I don't want his ass behind the bench next season, that's for sure. I wouldn't be against him being fired this season, I just don't really see the point when he's doing a great job tanking the team.

Boucher has until the end of this season to at least show improvement (ie, get to .500 win percentage at least). And next season if he returns better result in playoffs.

When I say Yzerman's seat should be getting warm I mean Yzerman has until the end of the 2014-2015 season to find a team and a coaching staff that can make the playoffs. (that's 2 whole seasons after this one, and would potentially be 5 seasons without playoffs).

Players aren't the only people in the organization who should be held responsible for their performance.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Highly unlikely Guy is going anywhere. You might see movement in assistants, you may just see additions to the assistants... hard to say at this point, but i'd go as far as saying Guy isn't going anywhere.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Highly unlikely Guy is going anywhere. You might see movement in assistants, you may just see additions to the assistants... hard to say at this point, but i'd go as far as saying Guy isn't going anywhere.

This what Id prefer to be honest. I think Guy knows his stuff. I think the assistants are crap and have been since they got here. Get an experienced guy there to help out the defense and goaltending. The guys they got teaching there now have done nothing. I know they dont got much to work with but still. Its awful. Goaltending coach should have been fired last season. Smith goes on and has an amazing season with Phoenix while hes the complete opposite here. I agree they need to make changes at the assistants. They dont have to be experienced. Just be more competent than the guys they have there now.

 

[The Macho King]

Pass the buck. Question: didn't Guy bring in these assistants? Or did they come separately?

 

[MattM92]

Pass the buck. Question: didn't Guy bring in these assistants? Or did they come separately?

If I remember correctly, he brought them with him from Hamilton. Am I right?

 

[Felonious Python]

If I remember correctly, he brought them with him from Hamilton. Am I right?

Right. They all came from Hamilton.

 

[The Macho King]

Shots 29-18.

The past three games our shot totals have been:

18
13
23 (with only 2 in the third period)

While allowing:
29
39
29

We've been outshot over these games 97-54.

Fire this ****er already.

 

[Steve Yzerman]

On paper, this team is solid. This team better defense than many teams like Toronto who are way ahead of us (Kostka, Holzer, Frazer, Gunnerson) and the offense is one of the strongest in the league. Yzerman has put together the pieces on the ice, he needs to put the correct pieces behind the bench now.

Also, the loss against the Islanders happened because GUDAS SHAVED HIS BEARD!

 

[DekeR]

The NHL is a production league not a developmental league. He might be all that in front of the media but a fluke yr with Roloson only gave him a little breathing room. Feb producing a 4-10 record and Mar duplicating(% wise) that record with a 2-5 performance so far has the writing on the wall. You can't go to war with the offensive skill set that the TBL possess and continue to flounder without repercussions. I have no doubt that this year will be Boucher's last year.

 

[Sky04]

On paper, this team is solid. This team better defense than many teams like Toronto who are way ahead of us (Kostka, Holzer, Frazer, Gunnerson) and the offense is one of the strongest in the league. Yzerman has put together the pieces on the ice, he needs to put the correct pieces behind the bench now.

Also, the loss against the Islanders happened because GUDAS SHAVED HIS BEARD!

No way is our Defense even decent on paper, we thought we filled some holes by adding Carle and Salo but in the end, the addition of Salo, Carle and the development of Hedman just balanced out the loss of Ohlund and the massive decline of Brewer. Salo is a solid solid D-man, but so was Ohlund, Carle's performance is subpar compared to Brett Clark, and Brewer has taken a huge step backwards and Hedman a big step forward.

The forwards are fine, but they lack an identity and system. They pretty much go on the ice and expect their talent to take over, there's no unison.

I agree that coaching has been a big issue, but the players are also held accountable for not raising some key issues to management, if we can see it, so can they. Things like Conachers reduced ice time, or the entire 3rd line for that matter, or WHY IS CARLE STILL ON THE PP?

 

[Coopers Gum]

No way is our Defense even decent on paper, we thought we filled some holes by adding Carle and Salo but in the end, the addition of Salo, Carle and the development of Hedman just balanced out the loss of Ohlund and the massive decline of Brewer. Salo is a solid solid D-man, but so was Ohlund, Carle's performance is subpar compared to Brett Clark, and Brewer has taken a huge step backwards and Hedman a big step forward.

The forwards are fine, but they lack an identity and system. They pretty much go on the ice and expect their talent to take over, there's no unison.

I agree that coaching has been a big issue, but the players are also held accountable for not raising some key issues to management, if we can see it, so can they. Things like Conachers reduced ice time, or the entire 3rd line for that matter, or WHY IS CARLE STILL ON THE PP?

lolwut

 

[MattM92]

No way is our Defense even decent on paper, we thought we filled some holes by adding Carle and Salo but in the end, the addition of Salo, Carle and the development of Hedman just balanced out the loss of Ohlund and the massive decline of Brewer. Salo is a solid solid D-man, but so was Ohlund, Carle's performance is subpar compared to Brett Clark, and Brewer has taken a huge step backwards and Hedman a big step forward.

The forwards are fine, but they lack an identity and system. They pretty much go on the ice and expect their talent to take over, there's no unison.

I agree that coaching has been a big issue, but the players are also held accountable for not raising some key issues to management, if we can see it, so can they. Things like Conachers reduced ice time, or the entire 3rd line for that matter, or WHY IS CARLE STILL ON THE PP?

Sooooo...they are going to go above their coach's head and take it to Yzerman about Boucher's deficiencies?

 

[Steve Yzerman]

No way is our Defense even decent on paper, we thought we filled some holes by adding Carle and Salo but in the end, the addition of Salo, Carle and the development of Hedman just balanced out the loss of Ohlund and the massive decline of Brewer. Salo is a solid solid D-man, but so was Ohlund, Carle's performance is subpar compared to Brett Clark, and Brewer has taken a huge step backwards and Hedman a big step forward.

The forwards are fine, but they lack an identity and system. They pretty much go on the ice and expect their talent to take over, there's no unison.

I agree that coaching has been a big issue, but the players are also held accountable for not raising some key issues to management, if we can see it, so can they. Things like Conachers reduced ice time, or the entire 3rd line for that matter, or WHY IS CARLE STILL ON THE PP?

Carle was brought in to help the PP. He's going to get ice time on the PP. Especially now that it looks like playoffs are a serious longshot.

 

[Sky04]

Sooooo...they are going to go above their coach's head and take it to Yzerman about Boucher's deficiencies?

Why not? They could easily raise the issues to Boucher himself, I feel as if they're just following him blindly.

Carle was brought in to help the PP. He's going to get ice time on the PP. Especially now that it looks like playoffs are a serious longshot.

Since when was Carle a PP specialist? He was brought in to be a solid #3/4 because we lacked depth outside Hedman and Brewer. He doesn't belong anywhere near the PP, especially when you consider how horrid he's been on it, yet he continually gets the ice time.

lolwut

Brett Clark 2011 > Carle 2013

I take Brett Clark at 800k over Carle at 5.5m regardless, at least Clark can hit and block shots.

 

[Steve Yzerman]

Why not? They could easily raise the issues to Boucher himself, I feel as if they're just following him blindly.




Since when was Carle a PP specialist? He was brought in to be a solid #3/4 because we lacked depth outside Hedman and Brewer. He doesn't belong anywhere near the PP, especially when you consider how horrid he's been on it, yet he continually gets the ice time.



Brett Clark 2011 > Carle 2013

I take Brett Clark at 800k over Carle at 5.5m regardless, at least Clark can hit and block shots.

I didn't mean he was only brought in to help the PP. He was brought in to a solid #3/4 but he was also brought in to help the PP which was terrible last season.

 

[MattM92]

Why not? They could easily raise the issues to Boucher himself, I feel as if they're just following him blindly.




Since when was Carle a PP specialist? He was brought in to be a solid #3/4 because we lacked depth outside Hedman and Brewer. He doesn't belong anywhere near the PP, especially when you consider how horrid he's been on it, yet he continually gets the ice time.



Brett Clark 2011 > Carle 2013

I take Brett Clark at 800k over Carle at 5.5m regardless, at least Clark can hit and block shots.

Ok, go into work tomorrow and tell your boss about his/her workplace deficiencies. And then go to his/her boss and tell them about your boss' problems too.

 

[Sky04]

Ok, go into work tomorrow and tell your boss about his/her workplace deficiencies. And then go to his/her boss and tell them about your boss' problems too.

Sure? it's called an open line of communication, ever played sports before? Players are allowed to raise any concerns they have to the coach or anyone in management, I'd assume grown men are able to voice their opinions in a team environment.

But no, you're probably right, anything the coach says or does is unquestionable, players should just sit back and straddle up, especially in professional sports

I didn't mean he was only brought in to help the PP. He was brought in to a solid #3/4 but he was also brought in to help the PP which was terrible last season.

Agreed, and he's had solid ice time on the PP for the vast majority of the season and has been largely ineffective. My question was why do you keep playing him there when he's constantly doing more harm then good? You want to try him on the PP? ok try it for a few games, 15 games and still sucks? alright we'll give him for 5 games, still not producing? alright take another 5.

Carle ices more PP time then any other D-man on this team, you can't tell me we don't have better options..