Claude Giroux: "Reasons to be Cheerful Part III"

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Stephen Burtch
@SteveBurtch
Here is my serious analysis of what changed for Giroux this season - he moved to W and Couturier moved onto his line and he magically produced the best defensive results of his career. Weird that when the regular Selke candidate becomes your C your defense improves.


Stephen Burtch @SteveBurtch
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Suddenly he had massive help defending (which he was increasingly ineffective at) as a top line C... Voila...he looked good again.

who's that

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

who's that

Stephen Burtch, you know... THE Stephen Burtch.

 

[Starat327]

that's weird. I was unaware that Couturier had ever been a selke candidate.

 

[Flukeshot]

Giroux belongs in Hart Trophy discussion - Article - TSN

TSN's Travis Yost makes the case for Giroux to win the Hart... and it is pretty compelling if you like stats.

 

[deadhead]

There's a lot of truth in that, Giroux at center turning 30 was smaller and slower than a lot of guys he'd have to cover, and that takes a physical toll.
At LW, he doesn't have to cover as much ground and can use anticipation and experience to be in the right place and conserve energy.
Less energy expended on defense meant more zip in the legs on offense.

Instead of having to cover for the Hartnells and Voraceks of this world, he had Couts able to cover for him.

 

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Stephen Burtch, you know... THE Stephen Burtch.

dont know him hence I asked who it was

 

[orangecrush8]

dont know him hence I asked who it was

I think he’s just playing. I’d be willing to bet that the majority of people on here haven’t the slightest clue as to who Stephen Burch is.

 

[baudib1]

The best part of that article is that Ghost is tied for #7 in goals added in the entire league.

 

[ponder719]

that's weird. I was unaware that Couturier had ever been a selke candidate.

Candidate, yes. Finalist, no. Couturier's received at least a couple votes every year since he broke in, save 2012-13.

 

[AdamParrot]

Wow, I just realized that G is 2nd in points with Kane in this decade! UNREAL!
And 6th in G/GP (I really thought that he is worse in that) and 1st in assists of course.

If G will play in another SCF at least, he will be third best Flyer of all-time for me (after Clarke and Parent), if not he will be in tier with Lindros, Propp, Hextall and Howe.

And if he will win SC with us, he will be in tier with Clarkie and Parent for me! Oh, I really hope in this!

 

[Starat327]

Candidate, yes. Finalist, no. Couturier's received at least a couple votes every year since he broke in, save 2012-13.

I mean, by that definition, isn't everyone a candidate?

 

[Ruck Over]

A diddy about Captain Claude from the Athletic. Positive pub parade proceed.

Claude Giroux's career-best season is getting some...

"It's hard to imagine where the Philadelphia Flyers would be this season without Claude Giroux. The team is inches away from securing a spot in the postseason, which would mark their third playoff trip in the last six seasons should everything fall into place in the final week of the 2017-18 season. With three games to go, the Flyers' magic number is three, with their most direct route to the postseason being by earning three standings points in any combination across this last week. They can also be helped by losses of any form from the Florida Panthers, the ninth-place Eastern Conference team." By Mary Clarke Apr 3, 2018

 

[Striiker]

Stephen Burtch
@SteveBurtch
Here is my serious analysis of what changed for Giroux this season - he moved to W and Couturier moved onto his line and he magically produced the best defensive results of his career. Weird that when the regular Selke candidate becomes your C your defense improves.


Stephen Burtch @SteveBurtch
16h
Suddenly he had massive help defending (which he was increasingly ineffective at) as a top line C... Voila...he looked good again.

You’re on the wrong account Norm.

 

[Jtown]

I'd take Giroux over LeClair any day of the week and 3 times on Sundays.

no comparison. I wish I could have seen Leclair play one full season sans lindros. Look who giroux's giroux linemates were for a comparison.

 

[Jtown]

Stephen Burtch
@SteveBurtch
Here is my serious analysis of what changed for Giroux this season - he moved to W and Couturier moved onto his line and he magically produced the best defensive results of his career. Weird that when the regular Selke candidate becomes your C your defense improves.


Stephen Burtch @SteveBurtch
16h
Suddenly he had massive help defending (which he was increasingly ineffective at) as a top line C... Voila...he looked good again.

for a guy who is a hockey analytics writer, failing to backup your statements with actual data is a tell tale sign of bias.

giroux scored over 30 more points this year because coots is good at d. makes sense.

 

[mja]

no comparison. I wish I could have seen Leclair play one full season sans lindros. Look who giroux's giroux linemates were for a comparison.

Um, 01-02?

 

[Jtown]

Um, 01-02?

I mean in his prime. He was terrible after 2000, and cost us in the playoffs in 2004.

 

[baudib1]

LeClair didn't blossom until he played with Lindros; he was a 19-goal scorer at a time when that was basically 3rd-line production. I mean the whole reason Montreal traded him was because they needed a scoring winger. He was 25, and that's kind of a late age to develop a scoring touch.

He was terrific and made the most of his opportunity but there's no way he's a 50-goal scorer/Olympic star etc. on another team.

Also, I'll always hold it against him for scoring 0 goals in 13 games in the ECF vs. the Devils. Three of those losses were by 1 goal. If he has any kind of production in those games, the entire histories of two franchises are totally different.

 

[Jtown]

LeClair didn't blossom until he played with Lindros; he was a 19-goal scorer at a time when that was basically 3rd-line production. I mean the whole reason Montreal traded him was because they needed a scoring winger. He was 25, and that's kind of a late age to develop a scoring touch.

He was terrific and made the most of his opportunity but there's no way he's a 50-goal scorer/Olympic star etc. on another team.

Also, I'll always hold it against him for scoring 0 goals in 13 games in the ECF vs. the Devils. Three of those losses were by 1 goal. If he has any kind of production in those games, the entire histories of two franchises are totally different.

Amen. Dissappearing act of 2000 can’t be forgotten. If we had just not traded brind’amour.

 

[Curufinwe]

I posted this in the Misc thread, but William Karlsson turned 25 this season and has 75 points. His previous best season total was 25.

How long would the thread be on here if we lost a player to Vegas who scored 40 goals.

 

[pit]

30 goals
97 points

1 milestone hit, hope he hits 100.

 

[Patrick Division]

Giroux getting snubbed just as I expected. No respect!!

 

[baudib1]

I posted this in the Misc thread, but William Karlsson turned 25 this season and has 75 points. His previous best season total was 25.

How long would the thread be on here if we lost a player to Vegas who scored 40 goals.

All of his success is because PEB is there.

 

[Rebels57]

Giroux getting snubbed just as I expected. No respect!!

Bill Meltzer got into it today with Mike Johnson over not having Giroux in his top 6 forwards.

 

[Patrick Division]

Bill Meltzer got into it today with Mike Johnson over not having Giroux in his top 6 forwards.

Really? What did he say?