GWT: CL Match Day 1

Discussion in 'Soccer' started by spintheblackcircle, Sep 17, 2018.

  1. Pavel Buchnevich

    Pavel Buchnevich AV AND GORTON OUT

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    I am not a German fan. Please don't distort my argument, otherwise I am not going to respond any further to poor attempts to back English clubs against clear evidence.

    I am making the very real point that the best English teams have done a bad job with young English products from their academies. They bring in too many players for large sums, and the young Englishmen are now leaving to other countries.
     
  2. hatterson

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    United have spent ungodly sums of money and Rashford still played more than anyone the last two years. Liverpool have bought a bunch of players but didn't splash tens of millions on an RB but instead trusted TAA (looks like rightfully so).

    Those are just two easy examples of big English clubs trusting young players even as they're bringing in talent.

    And which best young English talents are leaving for other countries? Basically every national team player from senior squad down to u16 plays for or is owned by an English squad. Sancho and Panzo are basically the only ones who aren't.
     
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    Sorry I thought you were a BVB fan.

    Is this based on anything other than Sancho and Edwards?

    They are leaving because they aren’t good enough. The actual good young players are staying in England.

    I am not sure the top English have ever done a better job of using young English players than they do now. England was just one of the younger teams at the WC made up entirely of English based players.
     
  4. Baxterman

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    LOL

    Sorry to missed the “clear evidence” gem.

    Are you serious? People have posted clear evidence that you are wrong and you either ignore it or move the goal posts.
     
  5. Halladay

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    Sterling was 19 on a 2nd place team.
     
  6. The Abusement Park

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    Ashley young. Luke Shaw. Rashford. Off the top of my head for current united players
     
  7. Cassano

    Cassano nyeah eh

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    I'm confused on your premise of criticism.

    If I get it correctly, is it that the top English teams don't develop youth all the way through to their senior team?
     
  8. Incubajerks

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    For me it is interssant to point out how historically English players abroad, excluding rare exceptions, have never done waves.
     
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    Pfff, c'mon.
     
  10. hatterson

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    So Ronaldo only gets a 1 match ban. That means he'll miss matchday 2 against Young Boys but will be eligible for the match at Old Trafford.
     
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    It's also fair to point out the best English players rarely go abroad, especially in their primes.

    Even so, Steve McManaman was man of the match of a Champions League final playing for Real Madrid.

    If you want to expand to the UK as a whole, look what Bale has done for Madrid. Paul Lambert started in CL final for Dortmund.

    There are also examples of success
     
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    You made a good point and it is true there are also example of success. First one I think is Gascoigne, anyway for a Bale there is always a Ian Rush :)
     

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