sundance74
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One for one could make sense. Marner for Chych? Done.
We'll see what the outcome will be. In the end we don't need to trade him. We don't need to pay anybody to take him. So I trust BA, that we'll get something nice
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We'll see what the outcome will be. In the end we don't need to trade him. We don't need to pay anybody to take him. So I trust BA, that we'll get something nice
I think the drop off from Cooley to Gauthier is signficant enough that I wouldn't want to go that route. I'd rather do whatever we have to to swap #5 with SEA (or get the to pass on Nemec) so we could go Cooley + Nemec.
But Nemec at #3 is not crazy, especially if we expect to get a top 3-4 pick next year and get one of the top F's.
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I’d be pretty darn happy with that. But I’d be happier to pick Cooley at 3rd and Jiricek at 5th, though. If I had the chance.
I like Nemec better than Jiricek, too. I don’t think I have Nemec a whole Top45 pick ahead though.
Invariably, one of these 2 guys will end up being meaningfully better than the other. Which one will it be? Hell if I know, that's what the scouting, interviews, medical analyis, etc. are for.
If our scouts believe one or the other will be meaningfully better, it's EASILY worth giving up a 2nd (at a minimum, and maybe a fair bit more) to get that guy.
Some may not like it but this so obviously needs to be the strategy and sure it is. We’ll be adding significant talent in the ‘22 draft including a first line forward. If we can add a top 3 pick in ‘23 BA’s initial work will be done and the development stage will commence.
We’ll compete for a playoff spot in ‘24-‘25 and for many years to follow.
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I still see us drafting in the 8-10 range and hope that the talent drop off starts at 11. We can't help but be better next year with the experience gained by the Tucson pups and the goalie, the addition of Guenther, the return of Timmons. People who think that we are going to get the top draft pick next year are IMO drinking the Kool Aide. If the 2023 draft was the goal of the rebuild, BA shouldn't have started the rebuild when he did. He should have left things alone for 21-22and dumped everybody prior to 22-23 for 23 draft pics.
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He's ready. Are we going to over cook him and stunt his development? I expect him to start in Tucson and be a mid season call up, then tear up the league.
Talent most certainly does not drop off at 3 next year. There's probably a bunch of other guys after the top 3 who would go inn the top 6-8 picks of this year's draft.
p.s. I also don't see Guenther playing here next year either, but many disagree with our view.
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He showed this year that he's too good to spend another year with the kids. If Tucson isn't available he will be here.
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After dominating the WHL playoffs (even though he didn't finish the final and won't play in the mem cup) Guenther has nothing more to prove in Junior. Barring some disaster, he'll be in Tempe.
Unlike some of other "top" prospects of the past, he plays a game where he can be sheltered into the league until he's ready to break out. He's such a complete winger to where we can start him bouncing between the 3rd and 2nd line and on the second power play unit and he'll do just fine playing against teams' 2nd and 3rd pairings.
Unlike Strome, he doesn't need to be playing with our top players right off the bat to be effective in the NHL, Bear can bring him along slow.
Unlike some of other "top" prospects of the past, he plays a game where he can be sheltered into the league until he's ready to break out. He's such a complete winger to where we can start him bouncing between the 3rd and 2nd line and on the second power play unit and he'll do just fine playing against teams' 2nd and 3rd pairings.
Unlike Strome, he doesn't need to be playing with our top players right off the bat to be effective in the NHL, Bear can bring him along slow.
Injury and his play in the preseason will dictate where he plays next year. I expect him on the NHL roster next year.
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Do you mean not allowed to or shouldn't? Minimum age for AHL is 20, other than some CHL exception, no?
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I remember reading all of that about Hayton. If he can't take a role in Tempe he should be in Jr.
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Anyone who thought Hayton had nothing left to prove was a fool. I was furious they didn’t send him back. This is nothing like that. Guenther is 100% NHL ready. He’s going to score 20+ goals for the Coyotes next season.
Then he belongs. But I read here for months how great Hayton was and had nothing left to prove in JR. FTR I don't follow JR but do read posts here.
Lots to consider - position is a key one - Wingers have a much less complex role, and in theory, should have an easier transition than Centremen and D.
The big distinction here is development is the mandate of Bear, whereas Tocc was coaching to win at all costs. which was a travesty.
I think Guenther will stick, as long as he's healthy and in good shape physically.
The big distinction here is development is the mandate of Bear, whereas Tocc was coaching to win at all costs. which was a travesty.
I think Guenther will stick, as long as he's healthy and in good shape physically.
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I believe that was the minority opinion. And I certainly
Was unrelenting in my opposition, at least.
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Ah, CHL is all three of the Canadian Junior leagues. Somehow, I was tripped up, thinking the CHL it was just one of them, like the WHL or OHL.
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I hope we get some spicy ramen out of the deal.
I don't mean to turn this into the Guenther thread but since it's being discussed: I don't think there's any question that he's capable of playing in the NHL next year. Rather, it's a matter if Armstrong wants him to be in the NHL next year.
Perhaps Armstrong would rather fill that roster spot with some overpaid guy like Patric Hornqvist who might score 10 goals instead of 20+ like Guenther. It will help us tank for Bedard, if that's the goal. And there may be other reasons they prefer to keep him off the NHL team or not.
So until I hear Armstrong say that he expects DG to be on this team next year, I'm not believing anything one way or the other.
Perhaps Armstrong would rather fill that roster spot with some overpaid guy like Patric Hornqvist who might score 10 goals instead of 20+ like Guenther. It will help us tank for Bedard, if that's the goal. And there may be other reasons they prefer to keep him off the NHL team or not.
So until I hear Armstrong say that he expects DG to be on this team next year, I'm not believing anything one way or the other.
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