Confirmed Signing with Link: [CHI] F Jason Dickinson signs extension with the Blackhawks (2 years, $4.25M AAV)
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WarriorofTime
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Fine to say you don't watch Hawks games, aside from Bedard (currently injured) there is no reason to watch.
Dickinson is worth this deal. Bumping up AAV to get 2 years instead of 4 or 5 makes a lot of sense.
been there, done that already. They have Bedard now, the time for acquiring every 2nd round pick you can get your hands on is coming to an end, it's time to take a more thoughtful approach when it comes to development of all the players you drafted between 2022-24 and build a real roster over a multi-year period
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If he likes playing in Chicago, good for him. Players aren’t always looking at things from a “Grass is Greener” point of view. In fact 90% are not.. They want to be comfortable, feel wanted, and get what’s fair for themselves. Is he getting a little extra than he’d get in the open market? Maybe, but not a ton.
Dickinson was heading towards being one of the most sought after players this deadline. Heck, he may still find himself somewhere else. Doubt it now, but he’s a good, solid hockey player, who could’ve helped each and every playoff team. He’s one of those good veterans, you want around young players too.
Dickinson was heading towards being one of the most sought after players this deadline. Heck, he may still find himself somewhere else. Doubt it now, but he’s a good, solid hockey player, who could’ve helped each and every playoff team. He’s one of those good veterans, you want around young players too.
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Because neither side in good faith is going to operate off a "wink wink nudge nudge" handshake 'agreement' regarding what contract they'll sign for on July 1, 2024 while a different team has exclusive negotiating rights until then.
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I watched him enough on the Nucks to know.
And just because he's playing lots and putting up points on a shit team does not justify the AAV.
It's like in the NBA where players get a ton of points playing on a crap team and get paid for it.
It is what it is but there's no chance in hell that the same player would get a similar contract from essentially any other team.
Pure circumstance.
But good for Nick and Dick.
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Well ya, that’s why I said very high chance. I just don’t think it’s realistic at all to expect some other team would give him the contract Chicago did. And in that sense it’s a risk for Dickinson that Chicago wouldn’t offer him the same contract in the offseason, but as far as Chicago is concerned there’s probably a very good chance he’d take that same contract in July.
But really it would only be worth it for Chicago if he was fetching a 2nd and he might not have returned that at the deadline anyway.
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Just fyi, he's played for the Canucks for just 15 % of his NHL career. And while I'm sure for you, that was the most important and only relevant aspect to his career, if you look a bit outside of yourself and realize that the Canucks aren't the main character of the NHL, you might see that there is 85 % of the rest of his NHL career to draw inferences from.
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So Blackhawks basically not even trying to contend during Bedard's ELC? If so would have been better off taking veteran players off other teams for assets rather than signings like this.
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You think they should re-make an entire roster after a total teardown in one season? That's how you get yourself in trouble if you start giving out 5, 6, 7 year deals to everyone who hits July 1st.
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Cool to see that Vancouver was clearly just a bizarre blip on the radar for Dickinson's career. Not that he's worth anything close to this AAV, but i think it speaks volumes that he's become one of the guys they prioritized burning some of that spare cap space on as a good veteran mentor and "insulation" for the young players. He's back to being exactly the player Vancouver thought they were getting.
It's probably double what he's really "worth" on the open market to a contender, or close to it...but that's the trade-off to pay a guy to toil away doing unsung work on a bad team to insulate the kids. Especially on short term like that.
Good for him though. Making the most of what he's got to set himself up great financially. He'll be able to afford to take a little haircut to go cup hunting with a team of his choice after this deal too, in his final years if he wants to.
Also certainly rules him out as a potential deadline rental, but his value to the Hawks as a veteran presence is probably worth more than whatever pick he'd fetch...when they already have an overflow of picks and prospects anyway.
It's probably double what he's really "worth" on the open market to a contender, or close to it...but that's the trade-off to pay a guy to toil away doing unsung work on a bad team to insulate the kids. Especially on short term like that.
Good for him though. Making the most of what he's got to set himself up great financially. He'll be able to afford to take a little haircut to go cup hunting with a team of his choice after this deal too, in his final years if he wants to.
Also certainly rules him out as a potential deadline rental, but his value to the Hawks as a veteran presence is probably worth more than whatever pick he'd fetch...when they already have an overflow of picks and prospects anyway.
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He’d get a richer contract from somebody in the summer. It wouldn’t be $4.25 AAV but it would be more than 3 and it would be 3-4…maybe even 5 years. This is a world where Miles Wood got 6 years and JTC got 5x5.
Hes a B-rate Compher/Copp and would easily pull a multi, multi year deal from somebody at his age 28/29 UFA off-season. If your sole value of him is he brief time with the Canucks, you are most certainly underrating him.
Stop focusing on the AAV and look at the total contract value and when it ends. You’re trying to buy a car for a monthly payment instead of negotiating the price of the car. The Hawks gave him more AAV specifically so they wouldn’t be on the hook for years 3, 4 and maybe even 5.
As an aside; the shorter deal also makes it much more palatable to retain on if they do decide to move him in the future. They can easily get him down to a shade over $2 million and he’s gonna look like a very attractive asset at the 2025 deadline for some team to have for two playoffs runs at age 29 and 30 if he keeps up this level of play - I don’t just mean the unsustainable goal scoring rate.
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Dickenson signed with Chicago since he has no pressure to perform, no pressure to win and will make more. In Vancouver he had more pressure to perform and that's why he couldn't perform under stress. Playing in Chicago is stress free now.
Broken hand didn’t help him in Vancouver
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Gotta hit the cap ceiling somehow.
Overpay for short term so you don't need to keep them after you start getting young guys in the NHL. The perfect strategy.
Overpay for short term so you don't need to keep them after you start getting young guys in the NHL. The perfect strategy.
frightenedinmatenum2
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You can't look at what Chicago is doing and apply the same thinking you would if this was a contender making these moves. A contender isn't paying Nick Foligno 4M x 1Y, and then signing him to an even more expensive 2 year extension. A contender isn't taking Taylor Hall at 6M x 2Y.
The reality is, they lucked into winning the lottery and drafting a generational player well before their rebuild was ready for that. Their roster was completely bare. They aren't going to win for a few years, but they need to surround Bedard with veterans and solid NHL roster players.
Because they are a basement team, they have to overpay to keep these players. Usually, rebuilding teams won't overpay like that, but most rebuilding teams don't have a generational player who they need to develop. Their priority is insulating and developing Bedard. They are helping that by keeping the veterans in place for the next 2 or so seasons, even if that means overpaying.
The reality is, they lucked into winning the lottery and drafting a generational player well before their rebuild was ready for that. Their roster was completely bare. They aren't going to win for a few years, but they need to surround Bedard with veterans and solid NHL roster players.
Because they are a basement team, they have to overpay to keep these players. Usually, rebuilding teams won't overpay like that, but most rebuilding teams don't have a generational player who they need to develop. Their priority is insulating and developing Bedard. They are helping that by keeping the veterans in place for the next 2 or so seasons, even if that means overpaying.
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I understand your perspective - and from an asset retention perspective it would be the smart play.
The problem right now is that the Hawks are missing their top 6 of the top 7 forwards they expected to have on the roster (Berard, Hall, Anathasiou, Foligno, Perry,T Johnson), and 3 of those guys aren't likely to be back regardless. Most of the guys they hoped to provide some "insulation" for Berard aren't available, and the Hawks next step would seem to be to have open try-outs.
