Boston Bruins Charlie Coyle to the Bruins for Donato and a conditional 5th-rounder- 4th if B's make 2nd round - II

[Therick67]

Do you really think the organization is above floating their version of the truth to win the PR game? Especially on the radio station that airs their games? The same station where the team president used to do a weekly segment? Really?? Seriously?

My guess is, every team in the league and pro sports for that matter - does that...

 

[LSCII]

My guess is, every team in the league and pro sports for that matter - does that...

Absolutely. Of course they do. People saying it doesn't happen are clearly deluding themselves.

 

[Fenian24]

Already started. Rumors and whispers have been out that Teddy was bothering Neely and Sweeney and calling all the time. That along with the story of his agent being a hard ass and signing a 2 year instead of 3 year deal, and how he'd be a difficult resign after he hits RFA status, and other guys organizationally had already passed him by. All that already floated out to the media well before RD played last night.

Don't know how an AHL player can be a difficult resign.

 

[Therick67]

Again, the Bruins traded a AHL player with upside for a big skating versatile NHL player.

Total win for the Bruins with the potential to also help the Wild if Donato becomes a good NHL player in the futur.

What Donato is saying now is irrelevant. Good luck to him. Bruins are a better team after that trade.

This is how I see it. They clearly value other prospects more than Donato. Are they right? Only time will tell. I don't think this trade was made to run Donato out of Town, but to
fill one of the needs this team has.

 

[LSCII]

A little devils advocate here, but you're very smart and have seen many players come and go. Would you say their approach is working? (Not asking in a confrontational way, asking in a genuinely curious way)

I go back and forth on it but sometimes I do think it's the the org that could use a couple of tweaks, not the players they're bringing into it.

Do people really think the reputation of an organization doesn't factor into decisions when players sign? For example, do folks actually think that Jimmy Vesey didn't weigh how the team handles young offensively minded players when he was deciding where to go a couple of years ago? Same thing goes for agents. Do people recall the Sinden era when every contract negotiation was a drawn out cluster f***? Do you think agents were advising their clients to sign with Boston during those days?

This shit matters, whether the lemmings here want to admit it or not.

 

[LSCII]

Don't know how an AHL player can be a difficult resign.

Nor do I, yet that narrative was floated out there through the media. You tell me who has anything to gain by having that known?

 

[Mainehockey33]

A little devils advocate here, but you're very smart and have seen many players come and go. Would you say their approach is working? (Not asking in a confrontational way, asking in a genuinely curious way)

I go back and forth on it but sometimes I do think it's the the org that could use a couple of tweaks, not the players they're bringing into it.

I believe if Donato was putting up points the organization would have stuck with him. I don’t buy the idea that every player has to be a 200 foot player anymore. Donato was weak in most areas of the game and had a lot to work on just to make his own game effective.

If Donato sucked defensively but was good offensively I’d agree, but he wasn’t even putting up points in the AHL lately.

 

[PlayMakers]

I think the Bruins know Donato is going to be a good player. In fact, considering Cam and Sweeney’s relationship with Teddy, I’d say the Bruins are hoping it all works out for Ryan.

I don’t think this deal had anything to do with character issues or anything off the ice. The deal simply makes the Bruins better now, and they decided it was worth it.

I also think people need to understand that there are a limited number of spots on the NHL roster, and when you have more prospects than spots for them, you have to pick and choose who you like the most, and who fits what you’re trying to build the most.

Donato has elite hands, creativity and shot but he’s not fast, he’s not quick or strong on his skates and he’s not big or strong physically.

I think the Bruins are trying to build a team that has big, strong, two-way centers like Bergeron, Coyle, Studnicka, and Frederic with dynamic speed and skill on the wings, like Marchand, Pasta and JDB. And if that’s the template I think a guy like Bjork fits better than a guy like Donato; similar hands and creativity but Bjork also brings elite skating.

 

[Fenian24]

I looked at his hockeydb page within the last week and I remember thinking that’s weird, he hasn’t been doing anything in Providence lately. That might have had something to do with it.

Cehlarik didn’t go down and whine though, he worked on his game and was supposedly one of the hardest working guys on the team. That’s what Donato needed to do and he didn’t .

Spooner was given a fair shake. More than Koko, that’s for sure. Any problem you have with how Spooner and Koko were treated is a Claude issue. I hated Claude for his handling of Koko.

And it’s pretty funny to see Donato passive aggressively taking a dig at Boston coaches. Reminds me of Spooner.

I wish Donato well though, he’s got a ton of talent and I like him way more than Vatrano.

I wanted to give him coach of the year

Seriously Cassidy is suppose to be good with young players, why is it that he couldn't get through to Donato? Maybe because Ryan was a spoiled brat who had all his opportunities handed to him by his father?

 

[member 96824]

I believe if Donato was putting up points the organization would have stuck with him. I don’t buy the idea that every player has to be a 200 foot player anymore. Donato was weak in most areas of the game and had a lot to work on just to make his own game effective.

If Donato sucked defensively but was good offensively I’d agree, but he wasn’t even putting up points in the AHL lately.

Oh yeah completely fair. I'm talking about more in general, not Donato specific.

 

[Fenian24]

Nor do I, yet that narrative was floated out there through the media. You tell me who has anything to gain by having that known?

I won't defend the Bruins and how they have treated some players over the years, not as bad as the Red Sox once a player leaves but they have thrown dirt no question. Donato is just making it easier to believe the Bruins side in this case.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Already started. Rumors and whispers have been out that Teddy was bothering Neely and Sweeney and calling all the time. That along with the story of his agent being a hard ass and signing a 2 year instead of 3 year deal, and how he'd be a difficult resign after he hits RFA status, and other guys organizationally had already passed him by. All that already floated out to the media well before RD played last night.

Donato does come across as entitled and I would not be surprised if who his father is plays a role in that. So far since the trade I've seen the quote about it being the coaches' fault and another one where he says he is a good player (as though already an established NHL talent).

It really doesn't bother me if the Bruins do have a few skilled offensive players who don't thoroughly commit to a two way system but if an offensive player isn't providing offense then they are not a good NHL player.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Wait, so what did the organization leak to the media, Ryan Donato’s own quotes?

 

[member 96824]

Do people really think the reputation of an organization doesn't factor into decisions when players sign? For example, do folks actually think that Jimmy Vesey didn't weigh how the team handles young offensively minded players when he was deciding where to go a couple of years ago? Same thing goes for agents. Do people recall the Sinden era when every contract negotiation was a drawn out cluster ****? Do you think agents were advising their clients to sign with Boston during those days?

This **** matters, whether the lemmings here want to admit it or not.

That is a good point honestly. From an optics standpoint, I don't think many players are going to be digging into the message boards to find out the why...but from a high level they'll see that here's a kid who could have opted to sign with anyone, signed with the B's, they buried him in the AHL despite him thinking he should be playing up and then he was dealt. We all know that's not the case, but that perception could very well be there when a young FA is considering Boston vs. other options.

 

[trenton1]

Absolutely. Of course they do. People saying it doesn't happen are clearly deluding themselves.

As are people who are acting like it is an organizational flaw to do so.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Oh yeah completely fair. I'm talking about more in general, not Donato specific.

I think the only problem I’ve had with Cassidy/Sweeney with young players is playing Donato over Cehlarik to start the season. I think. Cehlarik was clearly better in the preseason and Donato was handed the spot because he scored some goals last year and had a reputation.

 

[LSCII]

As are people who are acting like it is an organizational flaw to do so.

How many players will it take for you to believe/understand the dynamic I'm talking about here? There are a lot of examples. A lot. At what point does it stop being the player and an organizational pattern?

Asking that seriously, because a lot of folks don't see things the same way I do, and it's interesting to me as to why.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I think the Bruins know Donato is going to be a good player. In fact, considering Cam and Sweeney’s relationship with Teddy, I’d say the Bruins are hoping it all works out for Ryan.

I don’t think this deal had anything to do with character issues or anything off the ice. The deal simply makes the Bruins better now, and they decided it was worth it.

I also think people need to understand that there are a limited number of spots on the NHL roster, and when you have more prospects than spots for them, you have to pick and choose who you like the most, and who fits what you’re trying to build the most.

Donato has elite hands, creativity and shot but he’s not fast, he’s not quick or strong on his skates and he’s not big or strong physically.

I think the Bruins are trying to build a team that has big, strong, two-way centers like Bergeron, Coyle, Studnicka, and Frederic with dynamic speed and skill on the wings, like Marchand, Pasta and JDB. And if that’s the template I think a guy like Bjork fits better than a guy like Donato; similar hands and creativity but Bjork also brings elite skating.

 

[Over the volcano]

Already started. Rumors and whispers have been out that Teddy was bothering Neely and Sweeney and calling all the time. That along with the story of his agent being a hard ass and signing a 2 year instead of 3 year deal, and how he'd be a difficult resign after he hits RFA status, and other guys organizationally had already passed him by. All that already floated out to the media well before RD played last night.

Link(s)?

 

[LSCII]

Link(s)?

Go to the Sports Hub site and you can listen to F&M from yesterday.

 

[trenton1]

How many players will it take for you to believe/understand the dynamic I'm talking about here? There are a lot of examples. A lot. At what point does it stop being the player and an organizational pattern?

Asking that seriously, because a lot of folks don't see things the same way I do, and it's interesting to me as to why.

Probably when the team isn't competitive. And the Bruins have been for the better part of the last 10 years. Only Chicago, LA and Pittsburgh can claim to be better in the time that the Bruins have supposedly made all of these mistakes. They've proven that they can win and they've proven lately that they can re-tool and remain a contender. I don't think they are misguided. I actually think they just have work-ethic and character standards. I'd rather they have these standards to be honest. I think that is what got them the 2011 cup and the 2013 near miss. I'd rather they try to look for Bergeron-like work-ethic, character and demeanor--but not necessarily his skillset.

Beyond that, they want to be like the Patriots. I think ditching the popular Lucic was a clear Patriots-type move. I loved Lucic but that was a masterstroke to get a haul for him during the last days of his value.

So who do we wish we still had? Wheeler? He was dealt in a hockey trade that proved to work out. I think they liked him, actually. That was give to get.

Among the successful players, I think only Kessel and Seguin were dealt because the organization didn't like them. Hamilton possibly, although he supposedly wanted out. The Hamilton trade seems like a win to me. Wouldn't want him in the way of right siders like McAvoy/Carlo.

The worst trade they have made lately to me was Reilly Smith for Hayes. That's worth bitching about. But that was to get out of Chia's cap hell I suppose.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Go to the Sports Hub site and you can listen to F&M from yesterday.

We are treating that show as in the know for hockey related issues?

Ugh

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

He clearly went down to Providence with a bad attitude this last time. Played like he didn't give a ****, clearly.

But, and this is why I said it's an organizational issue. Is he the first guy in the near recent past to feel like he wasn't given a fair shake? Is he the first guy to say the team basically didn't let him play his game? I mean ****, Cehlarik basically mirrored this earlier this season. Ryan Spooner was on this track as well. Koko left in a huff because of it. And the beat goes on...

yeah this is a major organizational issue. The Bruins would do well to emulate such winning organizations as Dallas, Minnesota & Florida & just let their young players "go play" so they'll say nice things about them. the team won't win shit, but at least the players will score some goals and be happy.

 

[LSCII]

We are treating that show as in the know for hockey related issues?

Ugh

No, not in the least. Just saying who was putting that narrative forth. And we both know it didn't come from within.

 

[trenton1]

yeah this is a major organizational issue. The Bruins would do well to emulate such winning organizations as Dallas, Minnesota & Florida & just let their young players "go play" so they'll say nice things about them. the team won't win ****, but at least the players will score some goals and be happy.

What's interesting is how Toronto's re-tool involved moving Kessel, Calgary ditched Hamilton and now the Canes want to and the Stars brass became fed up with Seguin earlier this year. Sweeney never pulled a Jim Lites and I think it is safe to say he never will. These are skilled players that can be difficult. Among these three, only Kessel has found team success but that after another deal that put him in the company of a pair of top-5-in-the-world talent. Kessel has been back on the market again in the last year or so.
Again, who are we lamenting the loss of? Most of these players ended up unwanted elsewhere as well. And with one exception, none have found team/playoff success.

Who am I supposed to miss and why? In the last 10 years or so, the Bruins get it right much more than they get in wrong, IMO.

 

[Over the volcano]

Go to the Sports Hub site and you can listen to F&M from yesterday.

Oh those two? They don’t need any leaks to start rumors.