Champions Hockey League for 2021/2022

[Speyer]

I'm not saying you are wrong, or disagreeing with you, I just don't understand what you mean. If you wish to expand and clarify this, I will happily listen. However, like anything else, it really boils down to $$$$. If the KHL can make it work financially, they'll join.

As far as I am aware of, there is still interst in Russia to create a KHL conference in western europe, consisting partly of teams who are included in the CHL right now. Such a confernce would be a direct competitor product to the champions hockey league. Even if you are assuming that the CHL would be a much inferior product, there is just no way that the KHL would have any interest in promoting this "alternative" to a western KHL conference.

The very reputable Swiss newspaper "Neue Zürcher Zeitung" reported on this issue a couple of years ago:

[...] "The Reason that the KHL still refuses to take part in the CHL, isn't mainly because of logistical problems, as Kobylyansky [then KHL Executive Board member] explains in Zürich. Rather you just don't want to strengthen your direct competitor. It was most likely more than a conincidence, that the old, finacially much more lucrative Version of the CHL was terminated in the Summer of 2009 after the KHL was launched and its [the CHL's] investors retreated. The League [the old CHL] had been financed mainly by the russian energy corporation Gazprom. Competition [to the KHL] was no longer desired." [...]

German Source (Unfortunately behind a paywall but you can take my word for it)

 

[Albatros]

As far as I am aware of, there is still interst in Russia to create a KHL conference in western europe, consisting partly of teams who are included in the CHL right now. Such a confernce would be a direct competitor product to the champions hockey league. Even if you are assuming that the CHL would be a much inferior product, there is just no way that the KHL would have any interest in promoting this "alternative" to a western KHL conference.

The Russians aren't stupid, everyone and their dog knows that the idea of KHL in Western Europe is dead.

 

[Speyer]

The Russians aren't stupid, everyone and their dog knows that the idea of KHL in Western Europe is dead.

Even if the KHL leadership is assuming that too it doesnt make any difference. In that case the league just won't join due to logistical problems, high travel costs and low potential revenue.

 

[vorky]

Even if the KHL leadership is assuming that too it doesnt make any difference. In that case the league just won't join due to logistical problems, high travel costs and low potential revenue.

I do not think that travel costs are a problem for top KHL clubs. On the other hand I am not sure about current CHL clubs...

Logistical problems - yeah, is the CHL still playing during EHT? That is a non-starter, the CHL needs to find any other dates.

And you are right, the KHL keeps being in contact with European clubs. It is a basic knowledge.

 

[Albatros]

Even if the KHL leadership is assuming that too it doesnt make any difference. In that case the league just won't join due to logistical problems, high travel costs and low potential revenue.

Money isn't really an issue, the KHL will join when they become insecure enough about their place on the hockey map. In recent years their relative position has become weaker, so now it's up to the CHL to grow stronger and make that happen.

 

[Speyer]

Money isn't really an issue, the KHL will join when they become insecure enough about their place on the hockey map. In recent years their relative position has become weaker, so now it's up to the CHL to grow stronger and make that happen.

A lot of KHL clubs have chronic monetary problems. Often they are balanced by investors sometimes not. Just look at the list of teams who disapeared from that League in the last decade. I also highly doubt that taking part in the CHL will have any effect on the KHL's prestige now or in the future. The CHL is just to weak for that and I doubt it has significant untapped potential.

 

[vorky]

Money isn't really an issue, the KHL will join when they become insecure enough about their place on the hockey map. In recent years their relative position has become weaker, so now it's up to the CHL to grow stronger and make that happen.

What you see as a weakness of the KHL is a strength in reality. The KHL is much stronger now than a few years ago.

 

[Albatros]

A lot of KHL clubs have chronic monetary problems. Often they are balanced by investors sometimes not. Just look at the list of teams who disapeared from that League in the last decade.

Sure, but those teams aren't making the cut anyway. Currently the playoff champions and an appropriate number of regular season top teams make the CHL. Basically CSKA and SKA would be in every year and teams like Lokomotiv and Jokerit would contest for the last spots.

 

[Speyer]

Sure, but those teams aren't making the cut anyway. Currently the playoff champions and an appropriate number of regular season top teams make the CHL. Basically CSKA and SKA would be in every year and teams like Lokomotiv and Jokerit would contest for the last spots.

Out of those at least Jokerit had significant financial problems in the last few years. Its also not like I argued the teams in question couldnt pay the travel cost in general, I just meant it was another factor (one of many and certainly not the most important one) that decreases the attractiveness of joining the CHL for KHL clubs.

 

[vorky]

Out of those at least Jokerit had significant financial problems in the last few years. Its also not like I argued the teams in question couldnt pay the travel cost in general, I just meant it was another factor (one of many and certainly not the most important one) that decreases the attractiveness of joining the CHL for KHL clubs.

Top KHL clubs have never had any financial problems, including Jokerit.

 

[Speyer]

Top KHL clubs have never had any financial problems, including Jokerit.

Jokerit has had major deficits mostly due to high KHL salaries in the last few years. Only because their oligarch investors (who have been investigated for money laundering last year) are covering the defficits it doesnt mean Jokerit is an economically sound hockey franchise...

 

[Go Donbass]

Day 2 was definitely more interesting than day 1. Had our first real upset, when Bremerhaven beat Turku, 2-1. Lugano is currently crushing Skeleftea, 5-1. Slovan lead Leksands late, but eventually lost 5-3.

 

[Eye of Ra]

all swedish teams won their games so far, but not skellefteå. skellefteå are always terrible in CL. they should give up their spot to another team.

 

[Lambo]

Tappara 6:1 in Berlin. Strong in Group Stage and in K.O, mostly K.O..

 

[Ciccarelli]

Tappara 6:1 in Berlin. Strong in Group Stage and in K.O, mostly K.O..

They play well in the group stage becose it is good practice for the Liiga season, then choose to get knocked out in the play offs, becose Liiga season is more important. Sad but true.

 

[Go Donbass]

Day 3 today. Probably the most interesting games will be: Mlada Boleslav v Helsinki, Lukko v Mannheim, Rogle v Munchen, Zurich v Frolunda.

 

[BlizzardSloth]

Zurich v Frolunda.

Zurich needs to step up their game tonight if they want to get out of this group. The game against HIFK was disappointing.

 

[vorky]

Average attendance 1 876, Rogle did not report the numbers.

 

[BruinLVGA]

all swedish teams won their games so far, but not skellefteå. skellefteå are always terrible in CL. they should give up their spot to another team.

Maybe Lugano was just better than them...

 

[Eye of Ra]

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Maybe Lugano was just better than them...

im not talking about just one game. skellefteå are terrible in most games in cl

 

[BruinLVGA]

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im not talking about just one game. skellefteå are terrible in most games in cl

Maybe they weren't terrible in this game, but Lugano was simply significantly better?

 

[Eye of Ra]

Maybe they weren't terrible in this game, but Lugano was simply significantly better?

a top 5 shl team like skelleftå should not lose with 5-1. shl and nla is bascially same quality, equal strong leagues

 

[Eye of Ra]

lol rögle scores in last seconds. 3-3

 

[Eye of Ra]

rögle win 4-3 in ot

 

[tobu]

Day 2 was definitely more interesting than day 1. Had our first real upset, when Bremerhaven beat Turku, 2-1. Lugano is currently crushing Skeleftea, 5-1. Slovan lead Leksands late, but eventually lost 5-3.

Not a bad result for Slovan to be honest. Loosing very late on 2 Leksand's powerplays is alright. Probably feels salty for them now though, given they were in lead for most of the game.