Salary Cap: CBJ and the salary cap

[Multigrain]

You had Duchene 8.5. I think that is a little too low.
You had Dzingle at 5. I think that is a little too high.

I think you got the total about correct.

I think 8.5 could be right for Duchene. I would honestly judge him by his playoff production to bring the number up. I agree with you about Dzingel.

 

[Multigrain]

How are you going to keep the AP and bob from heading to Florida and Coach Q? The only way is to maybe win the cup and pay them way more than they are worth.

 

[Old Guy]

How are you going to keep the AP and bob from heading to Florida and Coach Q?

You don't.
Make a respectful offer which fits for your franchise. If they don't take it, shake their hand and wish them well. They have earned this right. Let them go - give them an honest thank you for their service.
Jarmo will find quality players that want to be there at a price which is fair.

 

[Monk]

You don't.
Make a respectful offer which fits for your franchise. If they don't take it, shake their hand and wish them well. They have earned this right. Let them go - give them an honest thank you for their service.
Jarmo will find quality players that want to be there at a price which is fair.

 

[Madifer]

How are you going to keep the AP and bob from heading to Florida and Coach Q? The only way is to maybe win the cup and pay them way more than they are worth.

If they win it all during this PO then I dont really mind seeing them leave for nothing. The SC being paraded through the streets of the city and all the media noise around it would create a lot of positive aura around the franchise and hockey in general.

This could be an interesting poll actually.

What do you prefer:

A) winning the cup and losing 9+72 for nothing
Or
B) losing to Boston while keeping 9+72 for 7 years and lets say $16m cap space

Personally Id vote for the first option

 

[EspenK]

If they win it all during this PO then I dont really mind seeing them leave for nothing. The SC being paraded through the streets of the city and all the media noise around it would create a lot of positive aura around the franchise and hockey in general.

This could be an interesting poll actually.

What do you prefer:

A) winning the cup and losing 9+72 for nothing
Or
B) losing to Boston while keeping 9+72 for 7 years and lets say $16m cap space

Personally Id vote for the first option

I'm with you.

 

[EspenK]

While watching the playoffs I have allowed myself the fantasy that wherever this run ends it will impress B&B and Matt enough that they all want to stay. I believe Matt will regardless;not so optimistic about either Bob or Bread. Truth be known if only 1 of the B's stays I have flipped to Bob as my preference.

I also read that the cap is estimated to be 83mm next season. So I took another stab at a scenario where the Jackets can keep all 3. Casualties include Murray & Dzingel immediately and Nash next year. It also requires PLD, Andy, Bjork, Tex & Garvikov to accept bridge deals. Lots of ifs and a lot of hope but it can be done if everyone plays along.

2019-2020 2020-2021 2021-2022 2022-2023 2023-2024 Jenner 3.75 3.75 3.75 1 1 Duchene 8.5 8.5 8.5 8.5 8.5 Foligno 5.5 5.5 3.5 3.5 1 ELC 1 1 1 1 1 Atkinson 5.85 5.85 5.85 5.85 5.85 ELC 1 1 1 1 1 Panarin 10 10 10 10 10 ELC 1 1 1 1 1 Anderson 1.85 4.75 4.75 6 6 Bjorkstrand 2.5 2.5 4.5 4.5 4.5 Texier 1 1 4 4 4 PLD 0.894 4.75 4.75 6 6 Nash/ELC 2.75 1 1 1 1 Total Forwards 45.594 50.6 53.6 53.35 50.85 Defensemen ??? 1 1 3 3 3 Jones 5.4 5.4 5.4 9 9 Savard 4.25 4.25 1 1 1 Kukan 0.725 1.5 1.5 1.5 2 Werenski 4.5 4.5 6 6 6 Nutivaara 2.7 2.7 2.7 3.5 3.5 Gavrikov 1 2.5 2.5 3.5 3.5 Total Defense 19.575 21.85 22.1 27.5 28 Goalies 9 9 9 9 9 Buyouts Hartnell/Nash 1.25 0.917 0.917 0.917 0.917 Dubi 1.95 1.95 1.95 1.95 tyutin 1.458 Total Buyouts 4.658 2.867 2.867 2.867 0.917 Total 78.827 84.317 87.567 92.717 88.767 Cap @ 3% inc 83 85.49 88.0547 90.69634 93.41723 Cap @ 5% inc 83 87.15 91.5075 96.08288 100.887 [TBODY] [/TBODY]	2019-2020	2020-2021	2021-2022	2022-2023	2023-2024
Goalies	9	9	9	9	9
Buyouts
Hartnell/Nash	1.25	0.917	0.917	0.917	0.917
Dubi	1.95	1.95	1.95	1.95
tyutin	1.458
Total Buyouts	4.658	2.867	2.867	2.867	0.917
Total	78.827	84.317	87.567	92.717	88.767
Cap @ 3% inc	83	85.49	88.0547	90.69634	93.41723
Cap @ 5% inc	83	85.49	88.0547	90.69634	93.41723

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[EspenK]

OK now that it looks like the 4 UFA's are AMF's and the salary cap has only increased 3% while at the same time RFA offer sheets are being talked about like we might see some and top UFA's (and Marner) are asking for sky high deals I have been playing around with what I think our cap should/could look like for the next 5 years so.

Basic premise is that Zach & Murray get locked up this year and very quickly after 7/1 Andy & PLD get extended for long term deals.

I am assuming Dubi gets bought out after next season to accommodate the extensions.

Goalies I'm taking SWAG's because who knows how that is playing out. Only assumption is that G 's will not mess with the cap ceiling.

I am assuming a roster with 13F's because Cleveland is so close.

Foligno is not re-signed. Hopefully traded for a #1 pick at some point. He's have to waive so may not happen.

Bemstrom & Tex live up to hype.

We lose a D during the LV draft.

Jenner being re-signed could be replaced by 2 or 3 2-3mm guys.

Cap takes one big jump after the Seattle expansion and new TV deal. If it doesn't some deals will have to be made.

Relies heavily on new blood which may be a problem mio, especially at F because except for Foudy I don't see much. Robinson, Sherwood, Bittner & Stenlund could fill a bunch of the ELC slots.

Amounts are subject to debate, I just tried to balance keeping the core intact with how it looks like the salaries are headed. I'm hopefully high by .5 to 1mm on a few of the guys.

Looks doable for next three years; last 2 are dicey if the cap doesn't take a big jump some year. At 3% growth lots of teams are going to have problems I think.

Anyway, FWIW here's mu guess:

2019-2020 2020-2021 2021-2022 2022-2023 2023-2024 Jenner 3.75 3.75 3.75 5 5 UFA 1 1 1 1 1 Foligno/ELC 5.5 5.5 1 1 1 Dubi 5.85 1 1 1 1 Atkinson 5.85 5.85 5.85 5.85 5.85 ELC 1 1 1 1 1 Wennberg/Bemstrom 4.9 1 1 8 8 Hanni 0.75 1 1 1 1 Anderson 1.85 6 6 6 6 Bjorkstrand 2.5 2.5 6 6 6 Texier 1 1 8 8 8 PLD 0.894 7 7 7 7 Nash/ELC 2.75 2.75 1 1 1 Total Forwards 37.594 39.35 43.6 51.85 51.85 Defensemen Murray 4.5 4.5 4.5 4.5 4.5 Jones 5.4 5.4 5.4 10 10 Savard 4.25 4.25 1 1 1 Harrington/Kukan 1 1 1 2 2 Werenski 7 7 7 7 7 Nutivaara 2.7 2.7 2.7 4.5 4.5 Gavrikov 1 4 4 4 4 Total Defense 25.85 28.85 25.6 33 33 Goalies 2 4 6 6 8 Buyouts Hartnell 1.25 Dubi 0 1.95 1.95 tyutin/Wennberg 1.458 0.891 0.891 0.891 0.891 Total Buyouts 2.708 2.841 2.841 0.891 0.891 Total 68.152 75.041 78.041 91.741 93.741 Cap @ 3% inc 81.5 83.945 86.46335 89.05725 91.72897 Big jump Seattle/new TV 88.14225 90.78652 93.51011 one year then back to 3% [TBODY] [/TBODY]

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[majormajor]

OK now that it looks like the 4 UFA's are AMF's and the salary cap has only increased 3% while at the same time RFA offer sheets are being talked about like we might see some and top UFA's (and Marner) are asking for sky high deals I have been playing around with what I think our cap should/could look like for the next 5 years so.

Basic premise is that Zach & Murray get locked up this year and very quickly after 7/1 Andy & PLD get extended for long term deals.

I am assuming Dubi gets bought out after next season to accommodate the extensions.

Goalies I'm taking SWAG's because who knows how that is playing out. Only assumption is that G 's will not mess with the cap ceiling.

I am assuming a roster with 13F's because Cleveland is so close.

Foligno is not re-signed. Hopefully traded for a #1 pick at some point. He's have to waive so may not happen.

Bemstrom & Tex live up to hype.

We lose a D during the LV draft.

Jenner being re-signed could be replaced by 2 or 3 2-3mm guys.

Cap takes one big jump after the Seattle expansion and new TV deal. If it doesn't some deals will have to be made.

Relies heavily on new blood which may be a problem mio, especially at F because except for Foudy I don't see much. Robinson, Sherwood, Bittner & Stenlund could fill a bunch of the ELC slots.

Amounts are subject to debate, I just tried to balance keeping the core intact with how it looks like the salaries are headed. I'm hopefully high by .5 to 1mm on a few of the guys.

Looks doable for next three years; last 2 are dicey if the cap doesn't take a big jump some year. At 3% growth lots of teams are going to have problems I think.

Anyway, FWIW here's mu guess:

2019-2020 2020-2021 2021-2022 2022-2023 2023-2024 Jenner 3.75 3.75 3.75 5 5 UFA 1 1 1 1 1 Foligno/ELC 5.5 5.5 1 1 1 Dubi 5.85 1 1 1 1 Atkinson 5.85 5.85 5.85 5.85 5.85 ELC 1 1 1 1 1 Wennberg/Bemstrom 4.9 1 1 8 8 Hanni 0.75 1 1 1 1 Anderson 1.85 6 6 6 6 Bjorkstrand 2.5 2.5 6 6 6 Texier 1 1 8 8 8 PLD 0.894 7 7 7 7 Nash/ELC 2.75 2.75 1 1 1 Total Forwards 37.594 39.35 43.6 51.85 51.85 Defensemen Murray 4.5 4.5 4.5 4.5 4.5 Jones 5.4 5.4 5.4 10 10 Savard 4.25 4.25 1 1 1 Harrington/Kukan 1 1 1 2 2 Werenski 7 7 7 7 7 Nutivaara 2.7 2.7 2.7 4.5 4.5 Gavrikov 1 4 4 4 4 Total Defense 25.85 28.85 25.6 33 33 Goalies 2 4 6 6 8 Buyouts Hartnell 1.25 Dubi 0 1.95 1.95 tyutin/Wennberg 1.458 0.891 0.891 0.891 0.891 Total Buyouts 2.708 2.841 2.841 0.891 0.891 Total 68.152 75.041 78.041 91.741 93.741 Cap @ 3% inc 81.5 83.945 86.46335 89.05725 91.72897 Big jump Seattle/new TV 88.14225 90.78652 93.51011 one year then back to 3% [TBODY] [/TBODY]

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1. If we are so fortunate that Bemstrom, Texier, and Bjorkstrand are worth that, then thank god there is no Duchene albatross. I am confident in Bjorkstrand and Texier, less so in Bemstrom.

2. That would be a very good team.

Bemstrom Texier Anderson
ELC Dubois Bjorkstrand
Foudy Jenner Atkinson

The D is obviously stacked.

3. The Jackets are young enough at this point that time will add players but subtract little. None of our main players will age out in the next five years. Not a lot of clubs can do that.

It's hard to say if any will be truly elite forwards, but it's very possible that they'll have a surplus of high end guys, similar to the build of the Sharks.

4. Why not keep Foligno for a couple million on the fourth line? You'd think he'd still be a decent checking forward and probably still the best leader and toughest hombre. Seems wasteful not to keep that.

 

[EspenK]

1. If we are so fortunate that Bemstrom, Texier, and Bjorkstrand are worth that, then thank god there is no Duchene albatross. I am confident in Bjorkstrand and Texier, less so in Bemstrom.

I agree. Short term he doesn't make us a strong contender and long term he'll start to decline.

2. That would be a very good team.

Bemstrom Texier Anderson
ELC Dubois Bjorkstrand
Foudy Jenner Atkinson

The D is obviously stacked.

True which is why I think it is imperative to lock up the guys we know are our core guys. i might have been overly0 generous here and there but wanted to make sure we can keep them.

3. The Jackets are young enough at this point that time will add players but subtract little. None of our main players will age out in the next five years. Not a lot of clubs can do that.

It's hard to say if any will be truly elite forwards, but it's very possible that they'll have a surplus of high end guys, similar to the build of the Sharks.

Yes If the key guys even come close to their ceilings we will be tough for years to come. And if one of the goalies is better than average in the NHL.

4. Why not keep Foligno for a couple million on the fourth line? You'd think he'd still be a decent checking forward and probably still the best leader and toughest hombre. Seems wasteful not to keep that.

If he is willing to stay at say 2mm and it fits no problem. Again if he has to go to keep all the others that was my main thought.

Having gone through all of the off season discussion, watching the Cup playoffs and seeing how salaries seem to be going nuts I think if the Jackets can put together the proposed roster it will be much closer to Boston & St Louis than Tampa Bay. Some really goods vets and a bunch of solid young guys. Goalie remains a "hope one of the new guys or Korpi pans out" mystery.

I am definitely ok with Jarmo not going crazy next week. Something like a cost controlled guy like Ehlers or Nylander would work in my model with some tweaking or if a guy like Kyle Connor could be signed for 7 years at or about 7 then that works too. Other than that I'd pass on most.

 

[EspenK]

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-ru...ryPWdaDKuz3m0a8i8teKKufwkqDsMv2PQJEfRdsL0x4pw

Being reported that Boeser is asking for 7mm for 4 years, at which point he'll still be a restricted free agent. He's been about a .85 ppg guy (last 2 years) who hasn't played a full season yet.

Any hope of getting PLD and Andy re-upped early seem out the window now. The way things appear to be going with RFA's I'm thinking the future will drive GM's nuts until they get rid of large contracts currently on the books.

In a way though it makes some sense in that the focus will shift to paying players for what they will produce rather than for what they have produced. I'm guessing the guys that will be hurt here are the guys who are looking for one last big deal that will take them to ages 34 and beyond. Hell, maybe 33 and beyond. Definitely a paradigm shift occurring imo.

 

[EspenK]

Coyotes sign centre Clayton Keller to eight-year extension - Sportsnet.ca

If Keller is worth that I think the Jackets are facing big problems with the cap down the road.

Assume Zach signs 3 years at 6 like being reported. If he continues to improve and the market for top guys continues to rise he could be looking for 9 or more right when Seth will be looking for 11 or more.

Add in PLD, Andy, et. al. and I see problems down the road.

 

[TaketheCannoli]

Coyotes sign centre Clayton Keller to eight-year extension - Sportsnet.ca

If Keller is worth that I think the Jackets are facing big problems with the cap down the road.

Assume Zach signs 3 years at 6 like being reported. If he continues to improve and the market for top guys continues to rise he could be looking for 9 or more right when Seth will be looking for 11 or more.

Add in PLD, Andy, et. al. and I see problems down the road.

If possible, I would try to sign Werenski to a Keller -like contract. Maybe 8 x $7.5

 

[DarkandStormy]

Coyotes sign centre Clayton Keller to eight-year extension - Sportsnet.ca

If Keller is worth that I think the Jackets are facing big problems with the cap down the road.

Assume Zach signs 3 years at 6 like being reported. If he continues to improve and the market for top guys continues to rise he could be looking for 9 or more right when Seth will be looking for 11 or more.

Add in PLD, Andy, et. al. and I see problems down the road.

Don't worry, I'm sure Jarmo will find a way to eff up the Seattle Expansion Draft.

No one really "comes off the books" next season except for Tyutin's $1.5m buyout. I'm guessing we see one (or both) of Dubinsky / Wennberg bought out. The next difficult summer is 2021 when Murray, Savard, Nash, Foligno, and Dubinsky (if he's still here) go UFA. Of course, a player that summer will go to Seattle.

As for next summer, the team will have ~$23-24m in cap space for Anderson, PLD, Robinson, Hannikainen, Kukan, and the two goalies. I don't think both Robinson and Hannikainen stay up and I think the team probably proves on from one next summer.

 

[CBJx614]

Don't worry, I'm sure Jarmo will find a way to eff up the Seattle Expansion Draft.

No one really "comes off the books" next season except for Tyutin's $1.5m buyout. I'm guessing we see one (or both) of Dubinsky / Wennberg bought out. The next difficult summer is 2021 when Murray, Savard, Nash, Foligno, and Dubinsky (if he's still here) go UFA. Of course, a player that summer will go to Seattle.

As for next summer, the team will have ~$23-24m in cap space for Anderson, PLD, Robinson, Hannikainen, Kukan, and the two goalies. I don't think both Robinson and Hannikainen stay up and I think the team probably proves on from one next summer.

that's easy, re-sign Murray and Savard and let go off the rest. And if players like Gavrikov and possibly even Peeke can solidify themselves on the roster over the next two seasons then it's possible one of those two older dmen get moved before then. And like you mentioned someone is going to be taken in the expansion draft.

 

[Jive Pawnbroker]

The negotiations between Point and Bolts don't seem to be going well for them - do you think we can make him an offer that works for both him and us?

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

The negotiations between Point and Bolts don't seem to be going well for them - do you think we can make him an offer that works for both him and us?

He's already said that he won't sign an offer sheet

 

[Jive Pawnbroker]

He's already said that he won't sign an offer sheet

Depending on if Tampa is lowballing him maybe he will change his mind (?).

 

[DarkandStormy]

Depending on if Tampa is lowballing him maybe he will change his mind (?).

Nothing like the season starting to drive home some urgency.

Could also target one of the Winnipeg forwards - Connor and Laine both without deals. Tkachuk in Calgary as well and they have less than $7m in cap space.

The Jackets could structure a deal like a 7x8 for any of them (or a touch more). Because the "offer sheet AAV" is divided by 5 years, that comes out to the top offer sheet compensation of 4 1st rounders (and really, the only compensation offer the Jackets could offer). So would you offer a ~7x8+ + 4 1st rounders for Point, Connor, Laine, or Tkachuk?

 

[Fro]

Depending on if Tampa is lowballing him maybe he will change his mind (?).

I am still in awe down here reports are they arent really talking, so guess nothing is close...

 

[spintheblackcircle]

I am a fan of Connor, college teammate of Zach as well.

 

[cslebn]

Nothing like the season starting to drive home some urgency.

Could also target one of the Winnipeg forwards - Connor and Laine both without deals. Tkachuk in Calgary as well and they have less than $7m in cap space.

The Jackets could structure a deal like a 7x8 for any of them (or a touch more). Because the "offer sheet AAV" is divided by 5 years, that comes out to the top offer sheet compensation of 4 1st rounders (and really, the only compensation offer the Jackets could offer). So would you offer a ~7x8+ + 4 1st rounders for Point, Connor, Laine, or Tkachuk?

I don't. I think you look at trading for the rights instead.

 

[EspenK]

Wow! Ottawa signs Chabot for 8x8. If Zach continues to improve his next deal will be 9 plus imo. Hopefully the cap does go up by 30% (based on Arace's article and major's math) which for some reason I don't think will happen.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

He's already said that he won't sign an offer sheet

If he has already played that card he just gave all the leverage to Tampa and should sign for whatever they have offered him at this point.

 

[EspenK]

NHL/NHLPA talks on CBA include escrow cap, salary deferral for players - Sportsnet.ca

As part of the agreement, the salary cap will be kept close to the current $81.5 million for the next three seasons. There is potential for it to go up $1 million in 2022-23.

Yikes! If this is true there will be major ramifications for almost all teams. Maybe all.

I haven't yet played around with numbers as to how the Jackets will be affected but off the top of my head with Andy & PLD due new deals this year and OB next I can't imagine it will be good.

No mention of compliance buyouts or if the salary deferral will not count against the cap.