Speculation: Carolina summer shakeup?

[jeromeo87]

Nothing terribly wrong here. I, like @DaveG, don't think a RNH for Faulk needs the picks. I think you are overpaying both TVR and Hanifin while I think JVR gets more than you are paying if he were to come here. The most problematic issue is that I think Raanta won't make it to UFA. His agent and the Yotes both are making positive statements about getting a deal done before July 1st. If we want him, I'd think we need to go all in and give Arizona a trade that they wouldn't refuse. Not sure what that would be, but unless we act now to do so, my guess is he is signed before the draft lottery.

Would Rask for Raanta work? If not, who's available other than Raanta, via free agency?

 

[MinJaBen]

Would Rask for Raanta work? If not, who's available other than Raanta, via free agency?

Given Arizona's money ball culture and the fact that I think they are probably far enough away that they will take a less than appealing asset for a good pick, I was thinking that Darling (50% retained) plus 2018 1st (top 3 protected, falls to 2019 otherwise) for Raanta might interest them. I doubt the Canes would do that, though.

 

[jeromeo87]

Given Arizona's money ball culture and the fact that I think they are probably far enough away that they will take a less than appealing asset for a good pick, I was thinking that Darling (50% retained) plus 2018 1st (top 3 protected, falls to 2019 otherwise) for Raanta might interest them. I doubt the Canes would do that, though.

I mean, maybe I'm way off, but I think if the Canes are giving up their 1st, they shouldn't have to retain..no matter how bad Darling's been. But I could be wrong.

Bean+Darling (25% retained)+Rask for Raanta+3rd?

 

[varano]

Listen to your scouts and draft well, it's that easy but GM and fanbases try to play God with the process and destroy their teams. Hiring and listening to good scouts = great GM.

Is Necas a defenseman? Is Aho?

He has a bunch of young defensemen prospects worth their weight in gold on the trade market, who should he target? There isn't a good C to be had for the chips he has to play. And the longer they develop the better their worth.

Is Hextall dumb too for hording young blueliners? Is Murray?

Shallow hot take, Canes are one or two pieces away from building something special but blow it up to get Paul Statsny and Raanta.

Why blow it up? Do SOMETHING.

Or, do nothing and continue to not make the playoffs.

You're aware that at this point, he's not even necessary? Just let the scouts run the team. That's what they've been doing up until now .

Not only that,they've whiffed several times during the draft and could have gotten significantly better players .

 

[Jumptheshark]

Ron Francis... promo-fired? Fire-moted?

Anyway Francis is out as Hurricanes GM, bumped to President of Hockey Ops role. Proud record of 0 player for player trades in four years, and Carolina hasn’t seen much on-ice success either.

Is this the offseason that Carolina shakes things up?

IMO, Carolina is one of those teams that have a bunch of B+ and B assets to move (outside of Slavin and Aho, who IMO shouldn’t go anywhere).

I think a few GMS are licking their lips and thinking the canes will trade some of their good prospects to win now

 

[BHD]

I think a few GMS are licking their lips and thinking the canes will trade some of their good prospects to win now

You'd like to think that Dundon isn't a person who can be duped by a good car salesman. I guess it depends on how much say the (supposed) GM will have.

 

[Jumptheshark]

You'd like to think that Dundon isn't a person who can be duped by a good car salesman. I guess it depends on how much say the (supposed) GM will have.

the win now mentality can be dangerous

 

[NotOpie]

I think there's a lot of misinterpretation about where the Canes are and what they are likely to do. This isn't a team that needs to or will blow it up; the team needs a goalie....an adequate, even average goalie. The Hurricanes could also use another serious scoring threat, preferably a #1C, but that's not a requirement.

So the narrative about GMs licking their lips is somewhat laughable to those of us who are long-term Canes fans. Look for the team to sign a significant UFA and/or maybe make a trade for that scoring threat. Frankly, who knows how they will address the goaltender issue.

 

[CapSpace]

So : Price + Pacioretty VS Bean+Necas+1st+Hanifin+Darling

Right?

 

[CheMxDawG]

So : Price + Pacioretty VS Bean+Necas+1st+Hanifin+Darling

Right?

What is this a cage match?

Need to hang on to Necas though

 

[MinJaBen]

So : Price + Pacioretty VS Bean+Necas+1st+Hanifin+Darling

Right?

That is so bad...

 

[StormCast]

You'd like to think that Dundon isn't a person who can be duped by a good car salesman. I guess it depends on how much say the (supposed) GM will have.

Considering he made his fortune in car loans, I think he knows the car salesman tricks pretty well.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I think a few GMS are licking their lips and thinking the canes will trade some of their good prospects to win now

You'd like to think that Dundon isn't a person who can be duped by a good car salesman. I guess it depends on how much say the (supposed) GM will have.

I don't know. Here's what Friedman said. Makes be believe he won't be just making rash decisions to be rash.

One thing Dundon disagreed with is the idea that something happened at the deadline that caused the final rift. He said the team was considering adding before a home-heavy stretch in February, but it didn’t go well. Therefore both he and Francis decided it wasn’t worth what it would take to acquire more at the end. The cost, in terms of Carolina’s best young players/prospects, was too great.

In some ways, the fact the Hurricanes can’t make immediate moves is good for the franchise. Dundon’s desire to do something impactful could be exploited. Dealing with other managers is like swimming with sharks. They sense your needs and squeeze you.

 

[HisIceness]

So : Price + Pacioretty VS Bean+Necas+1st+Hanifin+Darling

Right?

Hell why not two 1sts and a 2nd while we are at it.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

So : Price + Pacioretty VS Bean+Necas+1st+Hanifin+Darling

Right?

What do you mean by "Right?" Because my definition of "Right" certainly doesn't apply to your insane proposal.

 

[Svechhammer]

So : Price + Pacioretty VS Bean+Necas+1st+Hanifin+Darling

Right?

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffin glue

 

[BHD]

It's common knowledge that the Canes exist to make trades for the sole benefit of the other team.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

It's common knowledge that the Canes exist to make trades for the sole benefit of the other team.

These threads were bound to happen when Francis was fired.

Frankly, even if Francis had stayed, this was the year I expected them to make a bigger splash, either via trade or UFA. They are a very young team, have re-stocked the pipeline and can use some of those picks/assets to help the team, and now have an owner that can spend money in free agency.

 

[Svechhammer]

These threads were bound to happen when Francis was fired.

Frankly, even if Francis had stayed, this was the year I expected them to make a bigger splash, either via trade or UFA. They are a very young team, have re-stocked the pipeline and can use some of those picks/assets to help the team, and now have an owner that can spend money in free agency.

I mean... these threads existed long before Francis was hired....

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Ron Francis... promo-fired? Fire-moted?

Anyway Francis is out as Hurricanes GM, bumped to President of Hockey Ops role. Proud record of 0 player for player trades in four years, and Carolina hasn’t seen much on-ice success either.

Is this the offseason that Carolina shakes things up?

IMO, Carolina is one of those teams that have a bunch of B+ and B assets to move (outside of Slavin and Aho, who IMO shouldn’t go anywhere).

Probably not as much as people may think. There really isn't much they can do about correcting the Darling mistake. They should just let Ward go and throw whatever money they need to in order to get Hutton signed there. That's probably the best solution for them there. If they can get Tavares, by all means they should do it but beyond that there aren't huge adds to be made in the free agent market and I don't think they'd do well in a trade market right now with a new owner wanting results. If I'm Carolina, I'm probably not doing much but taking a run at Tavares and Hutton.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I mean... these threads existed long before Francis was hired....

I mean there's going to be more of them and all of them will be the Canes trading away picks, prospects and good young players for other teams vets that they want to get rid of.

 

[AvatarAang]

This team is going nowhere without a true #1, hand Tavares a blank check.

 

[CapSpace]

Just sniff the same glue that I do and it'll be fine guys.

 

[DaveG]

Probably not as much as people may think. There really isn't much they can do about correcting the Darling mistake. They should just let Ward go and throw whatever money they need to in order to get Hutton signed there. That's probably the best solution for them there. If they can get Tavares, by all means they should do it but beyond that there aren't huge adds to be made in the free agent market and I don't think they'd do well in a trade market right now with a new owner wanting results. If I'm Carolina, I'm probably not doing much but taking a run at Tavares and Hutton.

Or just bury Darling in the AHL (yes, I know we'd still be on the hook to the cap hit - 1 million and the full salary), and go with Ward and whoever the best UFA goalie we can get is without having to give an insane contract to them. Crazy to think that as "meh" as Ward's been over the past few years, the one constant is that shy of being hurt he's a hell of a lot better then whoever we bring in to back him up or possibly replace him.

 

[tarheelhockey]

This team is going nowhere without a true #1, hand Tavares a blank check.

That's probably the plan TBH.