Rumor: Carolina seeking Saad in a Faulk trade

[Big Daddy Cane]

Blackhawks sign first-round pick Henri Jokiharju, looking to upgrade defense

A hockey trade is the right approach for Carolina, imo. I'm not sure what a package with a late 1st as the centerpiece accomplishes for the Canes, which, if HF is any indication, is probably what the Hawks would prefer to give up.

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[justafan22]

why would you sell saad at the nadir of his value?

 

[GoldiFox]

why would you sell saad at the nadir of his value?

According to the article: To acquire Faulk with the end-game of a Duncan Keith - Justin Faulk top pairing (which I think actually could work).

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

why would you sell saad at the nadir of his value?

Couldn't it be argued that Faulk is at the nadir of his value as well?




(in reality, I was just impressed with your use of nadir and wanted to use it myself).

 

[justafan22]

According to the article: To acquire Faulk with the end-game of a Duncan Keith - Justin Faulk top pairing (which I think actually could work).

on carolina??

 

[CupsOverCash]

Why? Hawks would just trade for him again later.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

If Saad goes the other way in a Faulk and Darling trade, you have to imagine more than just Hossa's contract is involved, because Hossa's deal isnt really hurting the hawks game like Bickells was.

If Saad is included, Carolina would definitely need to be including a another significant piece because Darlings value is negative right now, far more negative than Hossa's LTIR cap hit

 

[hockeykicker]

Seems like it will be a bigger package that includes Darling. At least that's what the article thinks

 

[GoldiFox]

I have a question for Hawks fans:

Saad scored a PP goal in the 2nd game of the year. That is the only PP point he scored throughout the entire year in 174 minutes of TOI. Let's say a PP shift is 1 minute, Saad was on the ice for 174 PP shifts and contributed (quantifiably) to one scoring play.

How?

 

[BatVader]

“The theoretical deal — and it’s important to emphasize that it’s all theoretical at this point — would be for more than just Faulk. The Athletic reported that the Hawks are interested in bringing back goaltender Scott Darling with Corey Crawford having not played since Christmas because of a head injury.”

Is Chicago looking to move on from Crawford, or just hedge against future injuries?

 

[WesMcCauley]

why would you sell saad at the nadir of his value?

The same could be said for Faulk

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

If Saad goes the other way in a Faulk and Darling trade, you have to imagine more than just Hossa's contract is involved, because Hossa's deal isnt really hurting the hawks game like Bickells was.

If Saad is included, Carolina would definitely need to be including a another significant piece because Darlings value is negative right now, far more negative than Hossa's LTIR cap hit

The difference between a Darling buyout and Hossa's contract, if uninsured, is just $4.9 mil. That's worth something decent from a Carolina POV, but not a significant piece. Retention is more likely.

If Darling is involved, it's because the Hawks actively want him, imo.

 

[YoSoyLalo]

A saad/faulk swap wouldn’t shock me, these teams have hooked up on notable trades a couple of times.

 

[Jared Dunn]

How much do you think Canes would have to retain on Darling to make him have any value? 2 million?

 

[razor ray]

So Saad/Hossa for Faulk/Darling?

 

[Jared Dunn]

So Saad/Hossa for Faulk/Darling?

I imagine Carolina would have to retain a little bit on Darling. Not much if they're taking Hossa's deal

 

[Empoleon8771]

So Saad/Hossa for Faulk/Darling?

I think this is pretty solid overall, I could definitely see this deal happening. I think you may have to throw on a conditional pick since Faulk isn't signed long term, or maybe he'd come with an extension.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

How much do you think Canes would have to retain on Darling to make him have any value? 2 million?

The max Carolina can retain on Darling, while taking on Hossa's contract, if uninsured, to break even relative to a pure Darling buyout is ~41% or ~$1.7 mil. I think Carolina would want that lower to help pay for the final years of Saad's backloaded contract.

Darling at ~$3.1 mil (~25%) sound reasonable?

 

[Jtown]

going from panarin to saad to faulk. interesting tactics.

 

[Blackhawk93]

I wouldn't mind this deal at all. I also want Darling to succeed badly and frankly we have depth at the wing to replace Saad. Especially if he plays like he did last year.

 

[TSA0402]

I thought offensive defenseman were supposed to come at a premium??? Nothing against Saad but after his latest Season, its not exactly selling low.

 

[Beerz]

Meh for Chicago

Id rather have Saad

 

[Empoleon8771]

I thought offensive defenseman were supposed to come at a premium??? Nothing against Saad but after his latest Season, its not exactly selling low.

Faulk also had a down season last year, though. Faulk for Saad seems very reasonable on based on past trades, specifically the Vatanen for Henrique trade.

 

[Kaners PPGs]

I imagine Carolina would have to retain a little bit on Darling. Not much if they're taking Hossa's deal

The Hossa contract only has a salary of 1 M while Darling is 4.7, 4.1, and 3.

 

[TSA0402]

Faulk also had a down season last year, though. Faulk for Saad seems very reasonable on based on past trades, specifically the Vatanen for Henrique trade.

Faulk has been more consistent with a better resume than Vatanen. Henrique was a center which more valuable than the winger position. Obviously Saad has a more proven record than Henrique, but after a down year for a winger I entirely disagree... easy to say Faulk is as guilty playing for a bad team.