Carey Price to start the game tonight for the first time in 330 days

[jacks*]

And not including Price, with those guys being healthy takes them from 8th worst to middle of the pack. Which is what I've been saying from the beginning. With Price, they're probably 3rd best in the Atlantic, right behind the Panthers and Lightning. Without him, they're just an average team.

This really isn't the thread for this, so I'm going to stop derailing this thread.

Well Price brought them to top 2 the season before so if you mean without Price but with a competent starter we hit the middle of the pact or better than sure i'll go with that.

 

[NobleSix]

.926%. Not bad for his first game after the flu.

 

[kingdok]

.926%. Not bad for his first game after the flu.

*.931%

 

[waffledave]

And not including Price, with those guys being healthy takes them from 8th worst to middle of the pack. Which is what I've been saying from the beginning. With Price, they're probably 3rd best in the Atlantic, right behind the Panthers and Lightning. Without him, they're just an average team.

This really isn't the thread for this, so I'm going to stop derailing this thread.

Which is why he's the best player in the world. The guy is the only player in the league that can take a terrible, bottom of the league team to top 2 in the conference all by himself.

 

[waffledave]

*.931%

But but he got lit up I thought.

 

[1909]

Which is why he's the best player in the world. The guy is the only player in the league that can take a terrible, bottom of the league team to top 2 in the conference all by himself.

That is why Montoya had a .970 with that "terrible" team... ?

 

[waffledave]

That is why Montoya had a .970 with that "terrible" team... ?

I have an entire season of proof behind my claims. You have 3 games.

 

[Emanresu Wen]

That is why Montoya had a .970 with that "terrible" team... ?

Welcome to the post-Subban era

 

[aufheben]

Which is why he's the best player in the world. The guy is the only player in the league that can take a terrible, bottom of the league team to top 2 in the conference all by himself.

How do you know something like that? It's rare for teams to lose their best players for that long. Also excludes players who are on good teams like Crosby and Ovechkin.

 

[waffledave]

How do you know something like that? It's rare for teams to lose their best players for that long. Also excludes players who are on good teams like Crosby and Ovechkin.

It's doesn't exclude them because the Habs finished above both those teams in the standings when Price was healthy. And they definitely did not have a better team.

 

[Syckle78]

Really wish habs fans would decide if they're a good team or not. If it's a price thread the team sucks and price is the difference between bottom of the league and contender. If it's a thread about anything else involving Montreal they're players are great and underrated. Seriously it's been the same theme three years running.

 

[Bending and Tending]

I must of dreamt 5 games then.

*have

 

[waffledave]

Really wish habs fans would decide if they're a good team or not. If it's a price thread the team sucks and price is the difference between bottom of the league and contender. If it's a thread about anything else involving Montreal they're players are great and underrated. Seriously it's been the same theme three years running.

There are 10,000 Habs fans here, you expect everyone to agree on everything?

Is that how your fan base does it? You all are in perfect agreement about everything?

 

[Bending and Tending]

incredible the disrespect that the Leafs get from haters

the Leafs have 13 Cups, hate on that

I have a Leafs Stanley Cup banner that I got when I was 6. It's still up to date.

 

[NickLidstrom]

I wouldn't say the Habs is mediocre. But they are an average/slightly below average kind of a team.

So... They're mediocre?

 

[NobleSix]

*.931%

Oops, yes you're right. My math was off.

My point still stands though

 

[SpookyTsuki]

But he needed a couple months at least to get back on track?

 

[Corky]

Really wish habs fans would decide if they're a good team or not. If it's a price thread the team sucks and price is the difference between bottom of the league and contender. If it's a thread about anything else involving Montreal they're players are great and underrated. Seriously it's been the same theme three years running.

There are multiple fans with multiple views. It's not like there is a council of Habs fan getting together and deciding on an opinion.

I personally think the Habs are an average, playoff bubble team without price and an elite team with Price. You could say the same thing about Crosby and the Pens.

The Habs were missing much more than Price last year injury-wise and got arguably the worst goaltending in the entire league from December to April. Just saying it was because of Price is uneducated at best.

 

[KnightofBoston]

Price may not be the best player in the world (he isn't) but the Bruins sure make him look like it!



Best goalie in the world sure, not player. If your metric is based on him being able to lift a "mediocre" team to the top of a conference, you need to keep in mind that he is a goalie. Excellent goalies will always make your team significantly better...and I don't believe the habs to be mediocre anyways

 

[Chimpradamus]

Montreal fans call Price the best goalie in the world (or best player in the world if they are really hyperbole characters) and NYR fans call Lundqvist the best goalie in the world. So...

 

[ThirdManIn]

There's no valid argument in your post. Try again.

Which other players are directly responsible for so much points in the standings?

Just because you don't think it is a good argument doesn't mean it is any less valid than yours.

"The best player in the world can get his team to the top of their conference on his own. Carey Price got his team to the top of their conference on his own. Therefore, Carey Price is the best player in the world."

Versus

"Carey Price is considered to be the best player in the world. Crosby is better than Price. Therefore, Crosby is the best player in the world."

Your argument is no stronger than their argument, and you provide no actual evidence. In fact, your argument is flawed in that you talk of Price singlehandedly getting his team to the top of the conference. Clearly, Price could not carry a team to the top of the conference by himself because he has a team.

 

[Habitantpeasoup]

And not including Price, with those guys being healthy takes them from 8th worst to middle of the pack. Which is what I've been saying from the beginning. With Price, they're probably 3rd best in the Atlantic, right behind the Panthers and Lightning. Without him, they're just an average team.

This really isn't the thread for this, so I'm going to stop derailing this thread.

Average team my ass! This is a good hockey team with or without price. This stigma that Price is the whole team is getting ridiculous!! Did he score the 16 goals they have so far??

 

[TT1]

Just because you don't think it is a good argument doesn't mean it is any less valid than yours.

"The best player in the world can get his team to the top of their conference on his own. Carey Price got his team to the top of their conference on his own. Therefore, Carey Price is the best player in the world."

Versus

"Carey Price is considered to be the best player in the world. Crosby is better than Price. Therefore, Crosby is the best player in the world."

Your argument is no stronger than their argument, and you provide no actual evidence. In fact, your argument is flawed in that you talk of Price singlehandedly getting his team to the top of the conference. Clearly, Price could not carry a team to the top of the conference by himself because he has a team.

MTL 2013-2014 (still with a healthy Price): 100 points (4th in east)
MTL 2014-2015 (Price MVP season): 110 points (2nd in east)
MTL 2015-2016 (When Price got injured): 82 points (13th in east)
* MTL 2015-2016 (With a healthy Price): 10-2-0 - 0.934 save % (1st in east)

Pittsburgh 2010-2011 (Crosby played 40 games): 106 points (tied 2nd in east)
Pittsburgh 2011-2012 (Crosby played 22 games): 108 points (2nd in east)

As you can see, even with an injured Crosby the Pens did fine.. whereas MTL completely collapsed.

 

[kingdok]

MTL 2013-2014 (still with a healthy Price): 100 points (4th in east)
MTL 2014-2015 (Price MVP season): 110 points (2nd in east)
MTL 2015-2016 (When Price got injured): 82 points (13th in east)
* MTL 2015-2016 (With a healthy Price): 10-2-0 - 0.934 save % (1st in east)

Pittsburgh 2010-2011 (Crosby played 40 games): 106 points (tied 2nd in east)
Pittsburgh 2011-2012 (Crosby played 22 games): 108 points (2nd in east)

As you can see, even with an injured Crosby the Pens did fine.. whereas MTL completely collapsed.

To corroborate, we can say about the same with Karlsson and the Sens. in 2011-2012, Sens play for .561. EK missed the 2/3 of 2012-2013 and Sens plays for .583. Then EK plays the next full season, they go back down to .537. Not saying he's a detriment to the team (because there is more then this to the argument, like injuries to other players as well) but this show how much Price elevates his team in comparison to some other stars in the league.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I have an entire season of proof behind my claims. You have 3 games.

Your entire season is not a very good reference IMO. There were key long term injuries to many players (Price, Gally, and Petry) to name a few. And the goalie we tried to replace Price with played ECHL the year before. Comparing to last season is just not a fair one. Look at the last 4 seasons since Chucky and Gally made the team. The Habs have been a top 5 or top 10 team in the league. Now fast forward to this season where Radulov and Lehkonen have been added to the top 6. Weber for Subban and Shaw for Eller also made the habs a much tougher team to play against as well which has been an issue.

Like it or not but the Habs are contenders if they stay away from long term injuries!