Player Discussion Carey Price - Covid Playoff Edition

[BargainBinSpecial]

Hope this goalie coach change helps Price. Price hasn’t had a save percentage over .910 since 2018-19 and has averaged a .908 mark over the past four seasons. Before Ottawa game he had a 3.13 goals-against average and .888 SV% this campaign.

The trend of building around a goalie is dissipating fast in today's NHL. With McDavid, Marner, Matthews, Kucherov and the likes, the league is focusing on offense. It will be extremely hard for any goalie going forward to maintain SV% above .900.

 

[BLONG7]

The trend of building around a goalie is dissipating fast in today's NHL. With McDavid, Marner, Matthews, Kucherov and the likes, the league is focusing on offense. It will be extremely hard for any goalie going forward to maintain SV% above .900.

Striking the correct balance is not easy. The Habs for years, have laid it all at the feet of the goalie and the mantra of make da playoff, and who knows.
Serge Savard was the last GM who actually built a team to score goals.

 

[Ezpz]

Don't worry about trends. They change in the NHL every 3 years. They're going to figure out a new defense style eventually that will break scoring down again, until the league steps in and makes some ridiculous rule to amp up scoring, like they have continuously done for the past 2 decades.

Ain't gonna be any "Tampa" style teams winning cups in the near future. Tampa's strategy was have multiple #1 C, the best winger in hockey, the best defenseman in hockey, and the best goalie in hockey. How in the hell can anyone expect to replicate that? How in the heck do you even call that an "offense-driven team" when they have multiple #1 D with Norris, Hart, Art Ross, Rocket Richard, Pearson and Vezina winners?

That being said, I like Carey Price and am not worried about him. He would have won the Conn Smythe if there were such a thing as a "two-round Conn Smythe" last season. Do you all truly believe he forgot how to play hockey in 3 months off and will never recover?

 

[ahmedou]

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The trend of building around a goalie is dissipating fast in today's NHL. With McDavid, Marner, Matthews, Kucherov and the likes, the league is focusing on offense. It will be extremely hard for any goalie going forward to maintain SV% above .900.

Except we didn't build shit around him... Just like the Oilers haven't built around McDavid.

If you don't actually do the 'build' part, you won't win.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Two games in a row with minimal shytting on Price...will this Board survive??...

 

[nhlfan9191]

Two games in a row with minimal shytting on Price...will this Board survive??...

The Price haters get as quiet as a straight man accidentally walking into a gay bar when he throws together a few games. It’s been this way for years.

 

[gillyguzzler]

It's ok. I'm sure they'll shyt on Armia, Danault, Byron, Chiarot, Suzuki, Drouin, Tatar, Weber,... Coaching staff, anthem singer,...

 

[Ezpz]

Price haters sure enjoy their two weeks of sunshine every two years.

 

[azcanuck]

Barely faced any shots tonight and virtually nothing tough. But games like this are good for his confidence. Still three bad years dont make up for a couple of decent games.

 

[salbutera]

Barely faced any shots tonight and virtually nothing tough. But games like this are good for his confidence. Still three bad years dont make up for a couple of decent games.

2018-2019 .918 sv % in 66GP, w over .930sv % from Dec onwards. Habs don’t even sniff a chance at a playoff spot without Price

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

2018-2019 .918 sv % in 66GP, w over .930sv % from Dec onwards. Habs don’t even sniff a chance at a playoff spot without Price

Don't waste your time with him. When confronted with stats he runs away. He's not worth debating.

Look at his "Price didn't have to do anything" shtick from tonight. Let him spin his wheels.

 

[japhi]

Been avoiding this thread. Good win tonight, was just waiting for him to give up a stinker. But he was solid all night, that's 60 solid minutes, Allen should sit and let's give Price 3 in a row.

 

[Koivu11]

Price was wearing some new blue pads in practice.

Has there ever been a goalie who changes his equipment as often as he does?

 

[BLONG7]

No worries, the trolls will be back.....
Good to see Price get us 5 out of 6 points his last 3 games.
3 games, 3 goals given up.
I know it doesn't fit their narrative, but we all know they will be back.
LOL

 

[sandviper]

Price was wearing some new blue pads in practice.

Has there ever been a goalie who changes his equipment as often as he does?

I’m sure many goalies swap all the time but because it’s Montreal, it makes headline news.

Technology I’m sure has advanced since I played minor goalie, but over time as the equipment works in and is used constantly, they get heavier and don’t perform the same. You’d think soggy and deformed pads would soften rebounds but it was the opposite for me actually. Newer pads were easier to manage that.

That said, this was the 80’s so a lot has changed for sure in 30 years, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he has 4 sets of pads for the season.

 

[salbutera]

Striking the correct balance is not easy. The Habs for years, have laid it all at the feet of the goalie and the mantra of make da playoff, and who knows.
Serge Savard was the last GM who actually built a team to score goals.

Serge Savard was also the GM who introduced neutral zone trap hockey to NHL by bringing in Lemaire & Burns as coaches (sandwiching Perron who couldn’t handle such a system)...only after media & fan revolts after years of boring hockey and early eliminations to more offensively capable Bruins forced Coreys hands was Savard given orders in summer 92 to build a more offensive friendly team, hence Burns fired & Demers hired, followed by Vinny & Bellows deals.

Oh yeah Savard publicly stated many times there’s no more important position in hockey than goaltending and the org rule was no one was to get paid more than St.Patrick (which Uncle Lou mandated also in NJ w Brodeur)

 

[PaulD]

Striking the correct balance is not easy. The Habs for years, have laid it all at the feet of the goalie and the mantra of make da playoff, and who knows.
Serge Savard was the last GM who actually built a team to score goals.

Love Serge. The man is a legend.

And Gainey the king of defensive forwards tried in 08. Even Bob had a more potent offense than anything Bergevin has put in there. Kovy , Saku and Markov driving a dynamite powerplay, the Habs pretty well lead the league in goals. With Carbs as coach no less. ha!

 

[PaulD]

Serge Savard was also the GM who introduced neutral zone trap hockey to NHL by bringing in Lemaire & Burns as coaches (sandwiching Perron who couldn’t handle such a system)...only after media & fan revolts after years of boring hockey and early eliminations to more offensively capable Bruins forced Coreys hands was Savard given orders in summer 92 to build a more offensive friendly team, hence Burns fired & Demers hired, followed by Vinny & Bellows deals.

Oh yeah Savard publicly stated many times there’s no more important position in hockey than goaltending and the org rule was no one was to get paid more than St.Patrick (which Uncle Lou mandated also in NJ w Brodeur)

Serge Savard was the best Canadiens GM since Sam Pollock.
Players he added to his teams from around the league. Bobby Smith, Brian Bellows, Vince Damphouse, Denis Savard, Kirk Muller. Both Vinny and Bellows came in and put up forty goals each, then won a Cup. Bobby Smith clicked with Nazlund right away and Nats rips off 110 point season. Serge drafts Richer, Svoboda, Corson and Roy all in the same summer.

Serge also stated "goaltending aint everything..........unless you dont have it".

 

[salbutera]

Serge Savard was the best GM the habs since Sam Pollock.
Players he added to his teams from around the league. Bobby Smith, Brian Bellows, Vince Damphouse, Denis Savard, Kirk Muller. Both Vinny and Bellows came in and put up forty goals each, then won a Cup. Bobby Smith clicked with Nazlund right away and Nats rips off 110 point season. Serge drafts Richer, Svoboda, Corson and Roy all in the same summer.

Serge also stated "goaltending aint everything..........unless you dont have it".

Savard had a great 1984 draft then pffft, what about post-1984 draft? Brent Bilodeau? Lindsay Vallis? Or what about the ultimate, Savard and Carol Vandals (Amateur scouting Dir) in an elevator with Terry Ryan thinking he’s Shane Doan...absolute brilliance.

Recall, players had no autonomy leverage pre-1994, Savard was given a silver platter vs any of his successors because players had no NTC/NMC, and there was no parity across the league a good 30% of teams were non players from game 1 of the season.

The alcoholic also oversaw a generational error that’s ripple effects are even felt today in missing the entire Soviet block of players...no Habs GM since has made anywhere close to such a monumental error.

 

[PaulD]

Savard had a great 1984 draft then pffft, what about post-1984 draft? Brent Bilodeau? Lindsay Vallis? Or what about the ultimate, Savard and Carol Vandals (Amateur scouting Dir) in an elevator with Terry Ryan thinking he’s Shane Doan...absolute brilliance.

Recall, players had no autonomy leverage pre-1994, Savard was given a silver platter vs any of his successors because players had no NTC/NMC, and there was no parity across the league a good 30% of teams were non players from game 1 of the season.

The alcoholic also oversaw a generational error that’s ripple effects are even felt today in missing the entire Soviet block of players...no Habs GM since has made anywhere close to such a monumental error.

If you can pick Serge Savards record apart. Can only imagine how you would bury Bergevin is a pile of gung.

 

[salbutera]

If you can pick Serge Savards record apart. Can only imagine how you would bury Bergevin is a pile of gung.

Players had no choice if they were traded to Habs in Savards era, Mtl is now the last ditch alternative only when no one else from US can match the $....that’s not on MB or Gainey, Gauthier, Andre Savard or even Houle

And he has never made a generational error or been piss drunk at work focusing on his horses vs his f*ckin job.

 

[PaulD]

Players had no choice if they were traded to Habs in Savards era, Mtl is now the last ditch alternative only when no one else from US can match the $....that’s not on MB or Gainey, Gauthier, Andre Savard or even Houle

And he has never made a generational error or been drunk at work focusing on his horses vs his f*ckin job.

LOL

OK Marc

 

[Lshap]

If you can pick Serge Savards record apart. Can only imagine how you would bury Bergevin is a pile of gung.

Point is that unlike Bergevin's weaknesses that are on display 24/7, Savard's weaknesses have been glossed over by his earlier success, and because his screwups happened pre-social media. Yes, he earned a ton of credit for building a winner, but his ideas became hopelessly out of date as the league evolved. I wouldn't want him anywhere near the team today.

 

[salbutera]

LOL

OK Marc

MB has made his share of errors, primarily the continuation of post-1973 piss poor amateur drafting, (wait & see about last couple of years), which put him in a position to make trades to compensate.

That strategy is not sustainable, even if he’s been very successful at making trades - trades and UFA should be tools to supplement a roster not build it.