Carcillo "spamming" twitter with concussion related tweets/links

[Sky04]

A guy walks around punching people in the face, until someone knocks him out and breaks his nose - and then apologizes to others because he didn't know getting punched in the face could result in a broken nose.

 

[Highmarker]

I don't understand players that do this. People understand that getting hit in the head is going to cause a concussion. I don't understand how the league is going to control that? they have made huge rule changes to prevent it the best they can. Don't play professional sports such as hockey or football if you don't want to run the risk of damaging your brain.

 

[Stand Witness]

I can only see this in two ways.

1) He genuinely changed and cares about concussions in hockey.

2) His brain is so mush that it is causing him to say it.

Whichever way of looking at you prefer, it is pretty obvious the message he is getting across. The guy wants hockey to have less head injuries and people will complain about it. Hilarious.

 

[Aceboogie]

I don't understand players that do this. People understand that getting hit in the head is going to cause a concussion. I don't understand how the league is going to control that? they have made huge rule changes to prevent it the best they can. Don't play professional sports such as hockey or football if you don't want to run the risk of damaging your brain.

Because the league has previously said that concussions dont cause long term impacts (well lied about that). Now players are discovering that the impacts last for your whole life and have severe repercussions. This was a little inconvenient side effect the league decided not to disclose

I was playing minor hockey in the mid 2000s, so not even that long ago. I suffered a pretty bad concussion. Literally was held out just as long as I wasnt dizzy and was back on the ice after a game. Concussions were treated like a bone break, as long as you dont feel dizzy its fine. Concussions now are properly treated as a severe risk and get the proper treatment

 

[Aceboogie]

Yeah I'm sure his coaches told him to go around throwing dirty hits and chirping like a loser, he could've played his style within lines - he crossed them and made himself a target to others. Same thing how you don't feel bad for people who lose gambling, he took extra risks and clearly it didn't pay off.

Thats how he got paid and played. You dont think he was encouraged to toe the line? He absolutely was. If a coach or GM didnt like it, they could have not played or signed him. Instead he played on 5 different teams across 429 NHL games.

I do feel bad for a gambler who goes to the casino thinking the odds are 1 in 50, only to discover after he losses that the casino lied to him and the odds are really 1 in 500, oh and they get to take him out back and break his kneecaps for losing

 

[Price is Wright]

Boynton and Ewen both talked about how they hated to fight but it was expected of them. Ewen was pretty much told if he didn't fight he wouldn't play, that he was too born too big to not swing.

Ewen killed himself. Boynton thinks about it. But hockey culture isn't the problem. The problem is these guys. Okay.

 

[Highmarker]

Because the league has previously said that concussions dont cause long term impacts (well lied about that). Now players are discovering that the impacts last for your whole life and have severe repercussions. This was a little inconvenient side effect the league decided not to disclose

I was playing minor hockey in the mid 2000s, so not even that long ago. I suffered a pretty bad concussion. Literally was held out just as long as I wasnt dizzy and was back on the ice after a game. Concussions were treated like a bone break, as long as you dont feel dizzy its fine. Concussions now are properly treated as a severe risk and get the proper treatment

Is it possible that the extent of concussions just weren't well know at the time? Bring it to present day everybody and their dog knows that concussions are bad for you and the league has taken steps to reduce head trauma. I guess players doing what Carcillo is doing now is what has brought it to light though.

 

[Eat The Rich]

Is it possible that the extent of concussions just weren't well know at the time? Bring it to present day everybody and their dog knows that concussions are bad for you and the league has taken steps to reduce head trauma. I guess players doing what Carcillo is doing now is what has brought it to light though.

THIS RIGHT HERE.

Its easy to look back at it now and say "well everyone knows the risks"

This is true, but science has only recently been able to quantify the scope of the damage being done.

10 years ago nobody knew that repeated concussions cause your brain to literally turn to mush.

Too much NHL ass-kissing going on in here.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Thats how he got paid and played. You dont think he was encouraged to toe the line? He absolutely was. If a coach or GM didnt like it, they could have not played or signed him. Instead he played on 5 different teams across 429 NHL games.

I do feel bad for a gambler who goes to the casino thinking the odds are 1 in 50, only to discover after he losses that the casino lied to him and the odds are really 1 in 500, oh and they get to take him out back and break his kneecaps for losing

So Carcillo made the choice that his personal wealth and career development was more important to him than the health of other players. Strange that you never see this line of logic used to defend dirty cops or bankers who encourage dangerous investments.

 

[McRpro]

What exactly is the endgame here, for all contact sports? Leagues can minimize the risk but it will always be there. Will contact sports go the way of the dinosaur eventually? Or does the insane money the athletes get paid and the entertainment value keep them around in the decades to come?

 

[tarheelhockey]

I can only see this in two ways.

1) He genuinely changed and cares about concussions in hockey.

2) His brain is so mush that it is causing him to say it.

Whichever way of looking at you prefer, it is pretty obvious the message he is getting across. The guy wants hockey to have less head injuries and people will complain about it. Hilarious.

The issue I have with him is that he came into the league in 2007, not 1977. His notorious sucker punch on Matt Bradley was at the end of 2009. His cheap run at Tom Gilbert was in 2012.

People were absolutely 100% talking about head injuries and PCS at that time. For context, the NHL established its first concussion protocol in 1997. The big NFL study that brought this issue to headlines was published in 2005. Between 2008 and 2010 this was the biggest off-field story in sports. GQ’s big expose, the one that was the basis for the movie “Concussion”, was published in 2009. The same month in 2009 that Carcillo jumped Bradley, the NHL confirmed that Reg Fleming had CTE when he died. The NHL established the off-ice concussion protocol in 2011, after the Crosby and Savard concussions. The run of enforcer deaths happened in late 2011. Junior Seau and Jovan Belcher killed themselves in 2012. EVERYBODY was talking about this stuff. Yet Dan Carcillo was out there racking up 200+ PIM during this timeframe. Again, Carcillo’s run at Tom Gilbert was in 2012.

Watching the Player’s Trubune video, it’s rather noticeable that his energy for this topic comes from how it has affected him personally. He had nothing to say about any of this until it was HIS friend dying (in 2015), until it was HIS brain being degraded day by day, until it was HIS family facing a future without him. Up until that time, Dan Carcillo was more than happy to be the one collecting a paycheck to do those things to other people. He was part of the arms race that had guys like him and Cooke and Torres making this stuff an issue in the first place.

It’s not that he’s wrong to stand up about the issue. It’s not that he doesn’t have a good argument. It’s not that I don’t respect him for admitting he was in the wrong. It’s that frankly I don’t want to hear it from him, when everyone else in the world was screaming for this stuff to stop YEARS before he had his road-to-Damascus moment. If he wants to work with the league and the PA to change things for future players, fantastic... but he’s exactly the wrong person to make a big public stink to hold others accountable.

 

[Mergatroidskittle]

Anyone who holds this guy's past mistakes against him when he's obviously recognized his faults and is now trying to be a positive influence is just a really sad person that really lacks compassion. It may be annoying to some people but personally I'm glad he's looking to help other people (and himself at the same time).

Hmmm where was this sentiment anytime burrows is mentioned?

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Because the league has previously said that concussions dont cause long term impacts (well lied about that). Now players are discovering that the impacts last for your whole life and have severe repercussions. This was a little inconvenient side effect the league decided not to disclose

I was playing minor hockey in the mid 2000s, so not even that long ago. I suffered a pretty bad concussion. Literally was held out just as long as I wasnt dizzy and was back on the ice after a game. Concussions were treated like a bone break, as long as you dont feel dizzy its fine. Concussions now are properly treated as a severe risk and get the proper treatment

I don't know that they're necessarily getting the proper treatment. Some probably are. But a lot of guys still go out there surprisingly soon after getting what looks like a concussion. And players seem to be left on their own a fair amount for treatment.

Prior to Franzen's retirement, he attempted a comeback where he was trying his own regimen, which was something like exerting himself really hard and then seeing how bad the headache was.

It wasn't just Montador that changed Carcillo. He's going through some serious post concussion syndrome himself. Say what you will about him from his playing days, he's advocating for better treatment and rehab for NHL players with head injuries. As he puts it, not having a trainer or orthopedic surgeon handling a brain injury.

 

[Sol]

Why is Carcillo being persecuted ITT and on these boards? I mean I'm not a fan of him or anything but I don't get it.

It's simple really. He doesn't own up to what he's done as a player, and condemns the NHL rather than point the finger at himself. I have no problem with people flipping 180, but I do have a problem with people blaming others and not having any concept of self accountability.

 

[Fogelhund]

What exactly is the endgame here, for all contact sports? Leagues can minimize the risk but it will always be there. Will contact sports go the way of the dinosaur eventually? Or does the insane money the athletes get paid and the entertainment value keep them around in the decades to come?

You take whatever steps you can to minimize the risk, and increase funding to treatment. You won't be able to eliminate it, but some contact sports might disappear. Personally, I think a sport like football has trouble surviving long-term. At what point does this become a liability for High School boards, and Universities? If you take away the feeders, eventually the Pro sport dies.

Soccer has a high number of concussions... but you don't seem to hear about depression related deaths... or at least I haven't heard about it... not sure the difference.

 

[Aceboogie]

Is it possible that the extent of concussions just weren't well know at the time? Bring it to present day everybody and their dog knows that concussions are bad for you and the league has taken steps to reduce head trauma. I guess players doing what Carcillo is doing now is what has brought it to light though.

NFL has been proven guilty of covering the studies up for years even decades. Hello there is a major motion picture on the subject. NHL is now in the process of the same thing and the reports are slowly trickling out and looks to be as bad. Whether it's the head nhl doctor calling the players p***yes for concussions or teams like the devils and flames not following protocol and covering up, it'll be very bad for the NHl when it's all out

 

[Fogelhund]

Who cares what Carcillo did in his career. He's now see his friends die, and other friends suffering... he no doubt is too. What he's saying... it's correct, and that voice, not only his, but many voices should be heard, and change demanded.

 

[Sol]

Thats how he got paid and played. You dont think he was encouraged to toe the line? He absolutely was. If a coach or GM didnt like it, they could have not played or signed him. Instead he played on 5 different teams across 429 NHL games.

I do feel bad for a gambler who goes to the casino thinking the odds are 1 in 50, only to discover after he losses that the casino lied to him and the odds are really 1 in 500, oh and they get to take him out back and break his kneecaps for losing

This is such bs. He had the ability to be a regular NHLer first off .

2nd, who put a gun to his head and said do this?

3rd. He had a choice, and he made the wrong ones himself, and he isn't owning up to it.

Self Accountability is important. Let's not make everyone a martyr.

 

[Fogelhund]

NFL has been proven guilty of covering the studies up for years even decades. Hello there is a major motion picture on the subject. NHL is now in the process of the same thing and the reports are slowly trickling out and looks to be as bad. Whether it's the head nhl doctor calling the players *****es for concussions or teams like the devils and flames not following protocol and covering up, it'll be very bad for the NHl when it's all out

It's going to be bad for all sports... They don't want to admit guilt, as the liability would be huge. Eventually they'll take steps to change moving forward, without ever admitting guilt.

 

[Pilky01]

People have been demanding change for decades and it was the Daniel Carcillo's of the hockey world getting in the way. Carcillo should have been kicked out of the league in 2012.





It shouldn't take your friends killing themselves for you to come to the realization that you are behaving like a horrible piece of garbage but if that is what it takes then you don't get pat on the back for finally coming around.

 

[Aceboogie]

This is such bs. He had the ability to be a regular NHLer first off .

2nd, who put a gun to his head and said do this?

3rd. He had a choice, and he made the wrong ones himself, and he isn't owning up to it.

Self Accountability is important. Let's not make everyone a martyr.

How the hell is everyone missing the point by so much. He didnt know all the risks, that is the whole point lmao. The NHL just didnt bother to do the studies and then repressed the findings when they were done. None of the players knew the full risks, so drop that BS

In football, players (both pro and minor league) know the full risk after the NFL covered the impacts up for years. That is why minor league football registration is plummeting at insane rates and why some current NFLers are stepping away from the game in their prime

If Carcillo had been given the actual risks, Im sure he would have played differently. Instead this was a player born and bred (with the teams encouragement) to run around and lay big borderline hits. The main downside about concussions he knew was that they caused dizziness and confusion

 

[Price is Wright]

People have been demanding change for decades and it was the Daniel Carcillo's of the hockey world getting in the way. Carcillo should have been kicked out of the league in 2012.

This makes no sense.

1. If people have been demanding changes, Carcillo should have been a sign it should change. How was his hits stopping people from punishing head shots?
2. He wishes he would have been kicked out so he wouldn't have hurt people.
3. Nobody here disagrees that the NHL has been soft on dangerous hits except those who think this isn't an issue.

 

[Aceboogie]

It's going to be bad for all sports... They don't want to admit guilt, as the liability would be huge. Eventually they'll take steps to change moving forward, without ever admitting guilt.

The NFL in particular is going to get hammered. I wouldnt be suprised to see soccer surpass the NFL in popularity in 10 years. There will be a lot smaller of a talent pool to pick from as alot of them switch to other sports. With a worse product, attendance is going to fall, and with less kids playing football, that will further reduce the fanbase for the NFL

The NHL wont get it as bad, but they are about to have a major scandal once all the investigations into the cover ups come out. They are in for a rough few years with the scandals that will come out. There is already some slowly coming out: NHL concussion breach involved Devils, Flames and Canadiens - Sportsnet.ca, but it will be the leaguewide cover ups that will be the worst news for them

 

[Pilky01]

This makes no sense.

1. If people have been demanding changes, Carcillo should have been a sign it should change. How was his hits stopping people from punishing head shots?
2. He wishes he would have been kicked out so he wouldn't have hurt people.
3. Nobody here disagrees that the NHL has been soft on dangerous hits except those who think this isn't an issue.

My only real point here is 'f*** Daniel Carcillo'. If he is now a voice on the side of positive change then that is better than him still being on the ice and ending careers for fun, but none of that has any bearing on my main point, that Daniel Carcillo can f*** off.

 

[Aceboogie]

This makes no sense.

1. If people have been demanding changes, Carcillo should have been a sign it should change. How was his hits stopping people from punishing head shots?
2. He wishes he would have been kicked out so he wouldn't have hurt people.
3. Nobody here disagrees that the NHL has been soft on dangerous hits except those who think this isn't an issue.

This, I dont know how anyone expects Carcillo to have changed mid career when A) He wasnt fully aware of the damage and B) He was in a culture that loved those hits

Good to see him now realizing things and changing. Past actions don't negate current intentions