Confirmed Trade: [CAR/NYR] Brady Skjei for 2020 1st round pick

[GIN ANTONIC]

I cannot imagine the wording of the trade allowing this. Much like Toronto's pick this year is tied to the Marleau trade, Carolina's pick is now tied to the Skjei trade. If they were to trade away Toronto's pick, I would guess they are risking having to give up their own first as a result.

There are lots of people making sure all caveats are covered in the trading of picks. See the Haula trade last year where they had to have multiple calls to clear up all the conditions.

Carolina's pick isn't specifically tied to the Skej trade. The understanding at this point is that the Rangers will receive the lower of Carolina's 1st round picks from this year. Does it specify that it is exclusive to only the TOR pick and the CAR pick? We don't know. That's the speculation but that's why the wording is very important.

 

[Ola]

Carolina's pick isn't specifically tied to the Skej trade. The understanding at this point is that the Rangers will receive the lower of Carolina's 1st round picks from this year. Does it specify that it is exclusive to only the TOR pick and the CAR pick? We don't know. That's the speculation but that's why the wording is very important.

This is in all likelihood not the case.

What if Carolina get a chance to acquire a top pick before the draft, would they be prohibited from doing that because the pick would just go to NYR?

99.99% sure that it’s the lower of Carolina and Toronto’s pick. The other alternative is just so random. NYR would always get the 31 pick. Like why wouldn’t Carolina always trade down to 31 if it was just any random 1st owed to NY?

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Even if the Canes could trade down and give a lesser pick, they won't. Reputation and relationships are important. Screw the Rangers over and not only will the team lose a frequent trading partner, but also potentially scare off other clubs. The Rangers had leverage when it came to Fox and yet, they traded a high 2nd and a conditional pick that will end up in the mid-40s for him.

If the Canes weren't willing to give up upwards of a mid-1st for Skjei, they wouldn't have traded for him.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Even if the Canes could trade down and give a lesser pick, they won't. Reputation and relationships are important. Screw the Rangers over and not only will the team lose a frequent trading partner, but also potentially scare off other clubs. The Rangers had leverage when it came to Fox and yet, they traded a high 2nd and a conditional pick that will end up in the mid-40s for him.

If the Canes weren't willing to give up upwards of a mid-1st for Skjei, they wouldn't have traded for him.

I agree. I just think it would be interesting to see the actual wording because at this point it is somewhat ambiguous. In all likely hood, Rangers are going to get a pick around 20 OA.

 

[Curufinwe]

Paying a 1st round pick to acquire an asset is just a bit different than paying zero assets and signing Gardiner (or Dzingle for that matter) to a discounted deal months into free agency.

It's not a discount. He's just not good anymore.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Let's see the EXACT wording of the trade. Wonder Carolina is able to trade down or acquire a very late 1st and then that ends up going to NYR instead.

that would be funny

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Canes lose another game and Skjei looked terrible on 2 goals against. Rangers now have more points than Canes, but Canes have 2 games at hand.

 

[bleedgreen]

Canes lose another game and Skjei looked terrible on 2 goals against. Rangers now have more points than Canes, but Canes have 2 games at hand.

Shocked. Shocked I am.

That a Rangers fan ran to this thread to post about Skjei making his second error as a cane.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

Shocked. Shocked I am.

That a Rangers fan ran to this thread to post about Skjei making his second error as a cane.

LOL 2nd error?! what a homer.

 

[bleedgreen]

LOL 2nd error?! what a homer.

He bumbled a puck the first game. He bumbled one in this game. You’re conveniently not mentioning the fact the goal was actually scored from behind the net on our AHL goalie....

He was probably the best Cane on the ice after the gaffe, also.

Do you realize how pathetic you look watching Canes games....when we both know you never watched Canes games before....just to make note of every play you think Skjei messes up? Are you missing the Slavin, Gardiner and Edmunson errors in this game? The Canes were awful and disorganized, and were thoroughly outplayed.

But yeah sure....it was Skjei.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Shocked. Shocked I am.

That a Rangers fan ran to this thread to post about Skjei making his second error as a cane.

I'm glad you are enjoying him, homer glasses on or not.

 

[Tob]

This is hilarious. For how long are you guys going to watch canes games and then come to this thread and post every time Skjei makes a mistake?

it's literally just that one kakko shmacko dude. He was saying how great Skjei was and why didn't we get more for him, 99 hits, 8 goals bro. Then when the reality of the deal set in, he starts bashing him because it's a win if Skjei sucks. Insufferable. Reading through the whole thread, he starts by asking "Why would the Rangers trade Skjei to Carolina when they're in a playoff race against each other? Only a 1st round pick, I thought they would get more" to "The Rangers traded Skjei to the Canes to sabotage their season and team so we can get a better draft pick."

This is a trade that more than any other trade, Rangers fans has already crossed off his cap hit and forgotten about.

 

[Tob]

He bumbled a puck the first game. He bumbled one in this game. You’re conveniently not mentioning the fact the goal was actually scored from behind the net on our AHL goalie....

He was probably the best Cane on the ice after the gaffe, also.

Do you realize how pathetic you look watching Canes games....when we both know you never watched Canes games before....just to make note of every play you think Skjei messes up? Are you missing the Slavin, Gardiner and Edmunson errors in this game? The Canes were awful and disorganized, and were thoroughly outplayed.

But yeah sure....it was Skjei.

Don't even bother with him. He never posted this much about Skjei when he was a Ranger. He complains about everything for fun.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

it's literally just that one kakko shmacko dude. He was saying how great Skjei was and why didn't we get more for him, 99 hits, 8 goals bro. Then when the reality of the deal set in, he starts bashing him because it's a win if Skjei sucks. Insufferable. Reading through the whole thread, he starts by asking "Why would the Rangers trade Skjei to Carolina when they're in a playoff race against each other? Only a 1st round pick, I thought they would get more" to "The Rangers traded Skjei to the Canes to sabotage their season and team so we can get a better draft pick."

This is a trade that more than any other trade, Rangers fans has already crossed off his cap hit and forgotten about.

Just ignore him; he doesn't seem to be knowledgeable, when it comes to this trade. He's just a die-hard Rangers fan, who thinks it's a win, if he bashes other teams for them.

 

[JT Kreider]

Carolina's pick isn't specifically tied to the Skej trade. The understanding at this point is that the Rangers will receive the lower of Carolina's 1st round picks from this year. Does it specify that it is exclusive to only the TOR pick and the CAR pick? We don't know. That's the speculation but that's why the wording is very important.

Yes it is. In the Rangers release the wording IS very specific. Either Toronto's or Carolina's own first round pick. No nonsense where the Canes somehow trade for the Cup winners 1st round pick and think they'd actually get away with giving us 31st overall. C'mon now.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Yes it is. In the Rangers release the wording IS very specific. Either Toronto's or Carolina's own first round pick.

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Oh, wow. Carolina has one more first-round pick remaining. That doesn't mean there was much loss in that trade, because Carolina has another first-round pick, anyways. I mean, they can still participate in first round of the draft, even with Skjei.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Yes it is. In the Rangers release the wording IS very specific. Either Toronto's or Carolina's own first round pick. No nonsense where the Canes somehow trade for the Cup winners 1st round pick and think they'd actually get away with giving us 31st overall. C'mon now.

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Yeah that’s definitely more concrete there

 

[JT Kreider]

Oh, wow. Carolina has one more first-round pick remaining. That doesn't mean there was much loss in that trade, because Carolina has another first-round pick, anyways. I mean, they can still participate in first round of the draft, even with Skjei.

Not necessarily, if the Leafs pick is inside the top 11 then it is protected. If the Leafs miss the playoffs and get that high of a pick and the Canes miss the playoffs and win the lottery, well then, the Rangers won the lottery.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Not sure if trade agreements are public domain? Would love to see one. Im sure there’s force majeure type language that prohibits teams from gaming an agreement with a side deal.

 

[The S5]

He bumbled a puck the first game. He bumbled one in this game. You’re conveniently not mentioning the fact the goal was actually scored from behind the net on our AHL goalie....

He was probably the best Cane on the ice after the gaffe, also.

Do you realize how pathetic you look watching Canes games....when we both know you never watched Canes games before....just to make note of every play you think Skjei messes up? Are you missing the Slavin, Gardiner and Edmunson errors in this game? The Canes were awful and disorganized, and were thoroughly outplayed.

But yeah sure....it was Skjei.

That is typical Ranger fan nonsense. They get on a guy and ride him until the cows come home.
Look, I'm a Ranger fan, but there are so many who truly have no idea what they are talking about.
Skjei's give away sucked, but it didn't cost the Canes the game. Ned, who played well, let in a softy there.
What so many RAnger fans, who are strictly looking for confirmation, don't see is that Skjei has been really good for the Canes. He is playing with Fleury, who hasn't been very reliable defensively.
When the Canes get Dougie and Pesce back next season, they will have the best top 4 in the NHL.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Not necessarily, if the Leafs pick is inside the top 11 then it is protected. If the Leafs miss the playoffs and get that high of a pick and the Canes miss the playoffs and win the lottery, well then, the Rangers won the lottery.

I know the Leafs suck in playoffs all the time, but I think neither will miss the playoffs. Even if one or both teams miss the playoffs, the probability of winning the draft lottery is pretty low, although it'd be nice, if you win it, of course.

 

[JT Kreider]

Not sure if trade agreements are public domain? Would love to see one. Im sure there’s force majeure type language that prohibits teams from gaming an agreement with a side deal.

The language is specific in the Rangers release, any confusion is because the Canes side of things is much more ambigious, but really who are you going to trust to be more on top of things in this situation?

 

[Djp]

Not necessarily, if the Leafs pick is inside the top 11 then it is protected. If the Leafs miss the playoffs and get that high of a pick and the Canes miss the playoffs and win the lottery, well then, the Rangers won the lottery.

I dont trust what the Rangers said.

In just about all trades made in season for a 1st there are lottery/top 10 protections on the pick

Toronto just needs to finish 3rd in their division to make the playoffs. it doesnt matter what other teams records are. the 7th place team in metro can have a better record but toronto still goes.

Its likely Toronto's pick that goes to Rangers where it may be 13-17 range unless toronto can advance 2 playoff rounds.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

That is typical Ranger fan nonsense. They get on a guy and ride him until the cows come home.
Look, I'm a Ranger fan, but there are so many who truly have no idea what they are talking about.
Skjei's give away sucked, but it didn't cost the Canes the game. Ned, who played well, let in a softy there.
What so many RAnger fans, who are strictly looking for confirmation, don't see is that Skjei has been really good for the Canes. He is playing with Fleury, who hasn't been very reliable defensively.
When the Canes get Dougie and Pesce back next season, they will have the best top 4 in the NHL.

Who knows? This might be a sign that they lost the trade.

 

[BPD]

This is in all likelihood not the case.

What if Carolina get a chance to acquire a top pick before the draft, would they be prohibited from doing that because the pick would just go to NYR?

99.99% sure that it’s the lower of Carolina and Toronto’s pick. The other alternative is just so random. NYR would always get the 31 pick. Like why wouldn’t Carolina always trade down to 31 if it was just any random 1st owed to NY?

It's very specifically a 2020 1st, either the Carolina or the Toronto pick.

If the Toronto pick remains with Toronto, so be it; then the Carolina pick, wherever it may fall, is the lower of the two.