Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2019-20 Season Pt. 6: 2020

[895]

Friedman says Taylor Hall is the most likely candidate to forego money for winning.

I don't like Taylor Hall at 10m a year but at 8m a year, I'd take him easily.

Of course he probably goes to Pittsburgh or something.

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

Friedman says Taylor Hall is the most likely candidate to forego money for winning.

I don't like Taylor Hall at 10m a year but at 8m a year, I'd take him easily.

Of course he probably goes to Pittsburgh or something.

How do you figure Hall fitting into this roster, or making sense financially? Who is moving out of the top six and who is getting traded?

 

[895]

How do you figure Hall fitting into this roster, or making sense financially? Who is moving out of the top six and who is getting traded?

Holtby leaving frees up a lot of cap room. Vrana can play RW and Oshie or Wilson can be moved to 3RW. Panik can also be moved and replaced with a minimum player.

Making room for a great player on a good contract should always be considered.

 

[txpd]

Holtby leaving frees up a lot of cap room. Vrana can play RW and Oshie or Wilson can be moved to 3RW. Panik can also be moved and replaced with a minimum player.

Making room for a great player on a good contract should always be considered.

I am not sure how you get this player as a UFA on a good contract. By definition they are not that. He is a left shot left wing. There is no place for him on pp1 and pp2 will never get significant ice time. At even strenth the best he will get is 2nd line time. He would be the 2nd highest paid forward. At the same time all of Vrana, Wilson and Oshie are paid to be top 6 forwards. Vrana already doesnt fit on the pp and now you want him to play out of position? You are stirring the pot a whole lot for a team that doesnt need anymore star players.

 

[hb12xchamps]

There's no logical way that Taylor Hall joins this team if Ovechkin and Vrana both need extensions in the near future and the salary cap doesn't rise.

 

[John Price]

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

Holtby leaving frees up a lot of cap room. Vrana can play RW and Oshie or Wilson can be moved to 3RW. Panik can also be moved and replaced with a minimum player.

Making room for a great player on a good contract should always be considered.

Holtby leaving clears up $6mm and Hall is likely to cost $8mm+. They need space for Vrana and Ovechkin extensions and they're not going to have a winger maybe $6mm/year playing on the third line. They also still need room to fill out the rest of the roster.

If the cap was $84-88mm as was the original plan and Hall wanted to sign a 1-2 year contract I'd say let's explore it but don't see any realistic scenario that makes sense for him to come here now.

If we're going to spend money on a UFA I'd rather go after Pietrangelo.

 

[tenken00]

Holtby leaving clears up $6mm and Hall is likely to cost $8mm+. They need space for Vrana and Ovechkin extensions and they're not going to have a winger maybe $6mm/year playing on the third line. They also still need room to fill out the rest of the roster.

Don't forget that Samsanov is also up the same year as Vrana and Ovechkin as a RFA and after losing Holtby this offseason.

 

[Devil Dancer]

Holtby leaving clears up $6mm and Hall is likely to cost $8mm+. They need space for Vrana and Ovechkin extensions and they're not going to have a winger maybe $6mm/year playing on the third line. They also still need room to fill out the rest of the roster.

If the cap was $84-88mm as was the original plan and Hall wanted to sign a 1-2 year contract I'd say let's explore it but don't see any realistic scenario that makes sense for him to come here now.

If we're going to spend money on a UFA I'd rather go after Pietrangelo.

And they need a backup goalie, which will eat into the Holtby savings.

 

[hb12xchamps]

Hall also only has 5 playoff games his entire career. He's a very good player, but he has done nothing but lose his entire career no matter the team

 

[Hivemind]

Hall also only has 5 playoff games his entire career. He's a very good player, but he has done nothing but lose his entire career no matter the team

So? This is the same kind of argument people used against Ovechkin, O’Reilly, etc. He’s been passed between one tire fire or a franchise to another. Even with a generational talent like McDavid, the Oilers are still only making the playoffs every other year. The Devils have been directionless for most of the past decade. And the Coyotes, well, they’re the Coyotes.

 

[Hivemind]

Holtby leaving clears up $6mm and Hall is likely to cost $8mm+. They need space for Vrana and Ovechkin extensions and they're not going to have a winger maybe $6mm/year playing on the third line. They also still need room to fill out the rest of the roster.

If the cap was $84-88mm as was the original plan and Hall wanted to sign a 1-2 year contract I'd say let's explore it but don't see any realistic scenario that makes sense for him to come here now.

If we're going to spend money on a UFA I'd rather go after Pietrangelo.

Hall coming to Washington is probably a pipe dream, but in the event he was willing to take a lot less money to chase a Cup, the Capitals could see if he was willing to entertain the notion of a one year deal. Do similar to what Hossa did with Pittsburgh and Detroit.

Bring Hall in on a one year deal that doesn’t interfere with the next round of contracts. Play one of Oshie or Wilson on the third line. Let Kovalchuk go back to Montreal.

 

[txpd]

Because there is no pp production for him his numbers would suffer and kill his contrac numbers

 

[txpd]

So? This is the same kind of argument people used against Ovechkin, O’Reilly, etc. He’s been passed between one tire fire or a franchise to another. Even with a generational talent like McDavid, the Oilers are still only making the playoffs every other year. The Devils have been directionless for most of the past decade. And the Coyotes, well, they’re the Coyotes.

Its not the argument on ovechkin. His numbers showed he produced and he had a lot of experience. Taylor Hall is an unknown playoff performer. As a second tier player its less of a risk.

 

[Hivemind]

Because there is no pp production for him his numbers would suffer and kill his contrac numbers

Taylor Hall could very well take Kuznetsov's spot on PP1.

Its not the argument on ovechkin. His numbers showed he produced and he had a lot of experience. Taylor Hall is an unknown playoff performer. As a second tier player its less of a risk.

It's the classic "he hasn't won anything, therefor he sucks" argument.

 

[hb12xchamps]

So? This is the same kind of argument people used against Ovechkin, O’Reilly, etc. He’s been passed between one tire fire or a franchise to another. Even with a generational talent like McDavid, the Oilers are still only making the playoffs every other year. The Devils have been directionless for most of the past decade. And the Coyotes, well, they’re the Coyotes.

He's 1 for 10 for his career in making the playoffs. Are we saying that's all because of the teams he has played for? We can't blame him at all?

He has a career high of 93 points, which also so happens to be the only year he hit 30 goals and made the playoffs. His next highest point total is 80 points. He's going to get overpaid on the open market.

 

[Hivemind]

He's 1 for 10 for his career in making the playoffs. Are we saying that's all because of the teams he has played for? We can't blame him at all?

He has a career high of 93 points, which also so happens to be the only year he hit 30 goals and made the playoffs. His next highest point total is 80 points. He's going to get overpaid on the open market.

Prior to last season, Ryan O'Reilly had made the playoffs only twice in nine seasons (once as a 3rd/4th line rookie) and never advanced beyond the first round. When he reached the playoffs in 2014 was his career high of 28 goals. He was being scapegoated in Buffalo much like you're attempting to scapegoat Hall.

The result?

Phil Kessel reached the playoffs just once in his six seasons in Toronto (in the lockout shortened 2013 season, in which he set his then-career best point/game pace). He was blamed by members of the Toronto media for their woes before being sent to Pittsburgh.

The result?

(And again the next season)

Hockey is a team sport. It takes a herculean effort that essentially only Hall of Famers can achieve to single handedly will your team into the playoffs. Don't blame a star because they've been on bad teams.

 

[txpd]

Taylor Hall could very well take Kuznetsov's spot on PP1.

It's the classic "he hasn't won anything, therefor he sucks" argument.

No. He hasnt won so he isnt a winner us Ov. He cant perform in the playoff is Oshie. Hall is like Ollie Jokinen. A whole career and no playoffs. You dont know what you are getting.

 

[Bieronymus Trotz]

He's 1 for 10 for his career in making the playoffs. Are we saying that's all because of the teams he has played for? We can't blame him at all?

If information specifically about his impact on those teams' results showed he should be blamed, then of course. That the teams didn't make the playoffs isn't grounds to conclude anything at all about whose fault that was.

 

[hb12xchamps]

Hockey is a team sport? Who woulda thought?

Until Taylor Hall makes the playoffs and wins something he's still a perennial loser. 10 years and only 5 playoff games to show for it. Hopefully he signs with a team that he can contend with but good luck with that as a high priced UFA

 

[Corby78]

Hockey is a team sport? Who woulda thought?

Until Taylor Hall makes the playoffs and wins something he's still a perennial loser. 10 years and only 5 playoff games to show for it. Hopefully he signs with a team that he can contend with but good luck with that as a high priced UFA

pretty harsh on a guy who has never been on a team that’s been even remotely expected to have a chance. You could replace hall with any other player in the league and those teams would still stink

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

pretty harsh on a guy who has never been on a team that’s been even remotely expected to have a chance. You could replace hall with any other player in the league and those teams would still stink

For debate’s sake...Crosby in Edmonton couldn’t have gotten those teams to the playoffs? I feel like a few players could have moved that needle more than Hall.

 

[txpd]

Hockey is a team sport? Who woulda thought?

Until Taylor Hall makes the playoffs and wins something he's still a perennial loser. 10 years and only 5 playoff games to show for it. Hopefully he signs with a team that he can contend with but good luck with that as a high priced UFA

Lets not take this too far. Whats the difference between TJ Oshie and Taylor Hall? Oshie was a proven playoff failure in St Louis. It may or may not have been his fault but on good teams he was disappointing. Hall hasnt done that. We just dont know if the playoffs suit him or not. The other difference is that Oshie was traded for Troy Brouwer. He is a 2nd tier complimentary player that fit better into the Caps needs maybe than he did in St Louis. Hall is a best player on your team guy who has always made more money than Oshie who doesnt fit into what the Caps do.

Do you want to trade Kuznetsov to make a primary spot for Hall? Even if you did, he's Marcus Johansson and not a team leader.

With that investment and position on the depth chart on the table, you have a player who has very little playoff experience.

 

[Corby78]

For debate’s sake...Crosby in Edmonton couldn’t have gotten those teams to the playoffs? I feel like a few players could have moved that needle more than Hall.

Crosby would have made Edm better (when he wasn't hurt), but they still wouldn't have been a cup contender IMO. They still had bottom 5 goals against and probably are wild card at best.

 

[Silky mitts]

It’s crazy how much better Vrana’s contract being 2 years looks now with 2 years of a flat cap than it did March 12th.