Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2019-20 Season Pt. 5: 2020

[Ridley Simon]

He said it was scheduled to end June 30th. As in, the latest possible date in the strike shortened season.

It ended sooner due to series not going their full length.

6 days doesn’t change the argument. Regardless, there is zero chance for this to have a full playoffs (much less full season which was being mentioned as a “want” in an earlier post) unless it’s all settled in maybe 4 weeks. That’s best case. And 4 weeks seems like dreaming on a star.

I hope so, but this has all the marking of a 2mo hiatus — at best. IMO

 

[Ridley Simon]

Boo boo on the bad ice argument. Players in the 80’s and earlier played on crap ice all the time and produced just fine.

All those games in Arizona, Florida, Texas, and Nevada proved as such!

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

All those games in Arizona, Florida, Texas, and Nevada proved as such!

I’ll wager improvements in cooling technologies and insulation will offset a handful of needy sites.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Yeah most NHL players train year round so it’s not like they haven’t played on summer ice before

 

[ALLCAPSALLTHETIME]

6 days doesn’t change the argument. Regardless, there is zero chance for this to have a full playoffs (much less full season which was being mentioned as a “want” in an earlier post) unless it’s all settled in maybe 4 weeks. That’s best case. And 4 weeks seems like dreaming on a star.

I hope so, but this has all the marking of a 2mo hiatus — at best. IMO

Meh. Not a big deal either way.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I’ll wager improvements in cooling technologies and insulation will offset a handful of needy sites.

Regardless of the argument on ice conditions.

The venues are always booked. They are going to have to reschedule a litany of things, from NBA, to concerts, to monster truck shows. On top of the NHL. 2mo of lost usage.

demanding the NHL get their full slate is LOL

 

[kicksavedave]

Regardless of the argument on ice conditions.

The venues are always booked. They are going to have to reschedule a litany of things, from NBA, to concerts, to monster truck shows. On top of the NHL. 2mo of lost usage.

demanding the NHL get their full slate is LOL

Ok I'm not demanding anything. I'm saying it's possible and all they have to do is either shorten the off-season, or start the next session later, or a combination of both. The argument that they can't play games in the summer is bunk, they can if they want to. Ice quality is probably number 7 or 8 on the list of challenges they have to deal with.

You've misconstrued the entire concept here. We're in uncharted territory, let's just say they lose two months. They can decide to lose two months off of next season, two months off this season, or a mix of the two. Its really as simple as that.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Ok I'm not demanding anything. I'm saying it's possible and all they have to do is either shorten the off-season, or start the next session later, or a combination of both. The argument that they can't play games in the summer is bunk, they can if they want to. Ice quality is probably number 7 or 8 on the list of challenges they have to deal with.

You've misconstrued the entire concept here. We're in uncharted territory, let's just say they lose two months. They can decide to lose two months off of next season, two months off this season, or a mix of the two. Its really as simple as that.

I would think the NHL would want to award a Stanley Cup this year and shorten next if needed.
The demand for sports when they come back. $$$ Gary Bettmen will probably follow the NBAs path again

 

[Ridley Simon]

I would think the NHL would want to award a Stanley Cup this year and shorten next if needed.
The demand for sports when they come back. $$$ Gary Bettmen will probably follow the NBAs path again

They will absolutely want to have a champion. Dave is arguing that they have to play a full playoffs. He started with a full regular season too. Play the 82 and then the full 16 to win.

all I’ve been saying is that if this is a 60 day delay, then playing a full anything isn’t possible. It’s just not. He doesn’t want to hear it. Which is fine. But he’s wrong, and trying to use past examples doesn’t work. As he just said — we are in uncharted territory.

if this goes 60, the NHL will try to determine how to make the RS end fairly, and then will do some abridged version of the playoffs. It may be 16 teams. It may be less (or more if it means some “play in” type games). I’d be shocked if it took 16 wins to crown a champion. Again, not feasible (close to not possible, IMO).

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Regardless of the argument on ice conditions.

The venues are always booked. They are going to have to reschedule a litany of things, from NBA, to concerts, to monster truck shows. On top of the NHL. 2mo of lost usage.

demanding the NHL get their full slate is LOL

demanding? Nah...I love a shortened first round or two idea....

best of 3, best of 5, best of 7.

 

[tenken00]

In regards to scheduling conflicts at Cap One during the summer, I think it'll be easier to reschedule NHL and NBA games than other stuff like concerts. I actually think performer events are more likely to be actually canceled than rescheduled.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

In regards to scheduling conflicts at Cap One during the summer, I think it'll be easier to reschedule NHL and NBA games than other stuff like concerts. I actually think performer events are more likely to be actually canceled than rescheduled.

I agree....although who knows what those contracts say about this type of event and cancellations, but I think the longterm team tenants will get first choice where they can legally.

 

[tenken00]

I agree....although who knows what those contracts say about this type of event and cancellations, but I think the longterm team tenants will get first choice where they can legally.

True. Although I think the individual performers/performances are the ones who are going to be doing the canceling - not the venue.

 

[kicksavedave]

They will absolutely want to have a champion. Dave is arguing that they have to play a full playoffs. He started with a full regular season too. Play the 82 and then the full 16 to win.

all I’ve been saying is that if this is a 60 day delay, then playing a full anything isn’t possible. It’s just not. He doesn’t want to hear it. Which is fine. But he’s wrong, and trying to use past examples doesn’t work. As he just said — we are in uncharted territory.

if this goes 60, the NHL will try to determine how to make the RS end fairly, and then will do some abridged version of the playoffs. It may be 16 teams. It may be less (or more if it means some “play in” type games). I’d be shocked if it took 16 wins to crown a champion. Again, not feasible (close to not possible, IMO).

You're just inventing/fabricating my side of the argument for some strange reason. I'm not demanding anything, I'm not requiring anything. I laid out the four possible solutions that are all possible, even with a 60 day pause, and I stated my preference as to what happens. But for some reason you jumped down my hatch about demanding the impossible.

Scheduling conflicts can be worked out. Ice quality can be managed. There's nothing that makes playing into August or September impossible. If they're going to lose two months off games, they absolutely can choose to lose them off the front of next year instead of the back of this year. They have dealt with a late start before, and in fact dealt with a late finish as well. They can work this out however they see it best to do so.

If they don't play a full playoffs this year, I'm not going to be upset one bit. But I still have my preference for four full rounds. I like playoff hockey much more than October November hockey. So what?

 

[kicksavedave]

I agree....although who knows what those contracts say about this type of event and cancellations, but I think the longterm team tenants will get first choice where they can legally.

Ted owns the arena, he can cancel "Menudo" or whoever if he needs to, it's all about nothing other than money.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Ted owns the arena, he can cancel "Menudo" or whoever if he needs to, it's all about nothing other than money.

thats what I’m saying....if legally and financially they can cancel others with minimal damage, they will.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I was going to post this exact sentiment. Don't want a Cup with an asterisk because you only needed to win 6 or 9 or 12 games. The NHL playoffs are a war of attrition and the winner had has truly earned the greatest trophy in sports. Don't dilute it at all, Gary.

This is where this all stated KSD. Seems pretty clear where you stood. Obviously none of us can demand anything. But your initial take was this.

perhaps it’s now diluted and I can understand and respect that. But please don’t paint me as making this up. These are your words.

 

[Ridley Simon]

You're just inventing/fabricating my side of the argument for some strange reason. I'm not demanding anything, I'm not requiring anything. I laid out the four possible solutions that are all possible, even with a 60 day pause, and I stated my preference as to what happens. But for some reason you jumped down my hatch about demanding the impossible.

Scheduling conflicts can be worked out. Ice quality can be managed. There's nothing that makes playing into August or September impossible. If they're going to lose two months off games, they absolutely can choose to lose them off the front of next year instead of the back of this year. They have dealt with a late start before, and in fact dealt with a late finish as well. They can work this out however they see it best to do so.

If they don't play a full playoffs this year, I'm not going to be upset one bit. But I still have my preference for four full rounds. I like playoff hockey much more than October November hockey. So what?

Please see above post.

 

[kicksavedave]

This is where this all stated KSD. Seems pretty clear where you stood. Obviously none of us can demand anything. But your initial take was this.

perhaps it’s now diluted and I can understand and respect that. But please don’t paint me as making this up. These are your words.

I just have no idea where you converted "don't want" into "demanding" anything. They are not the same and just having a preference for a full playoffs seems to have made you get all agro on me. Whatever, we can agree to disagree on what is possible, but there's no need to put words into my mouth.

I'll actually retract my sentiment a bit. I'd rather have a Cup with an asterisk, than no Cup with a full four best of 7 series. But of all the hockey things we may miss out on with this virus stoppage, full playoffs would be the most disappointing to me vs the regular season end or the next season start, for what should be completely obvious reasons, the playoffs are simply better than the RS. Got any problem with that sentiment?

 

[John Price]

 

[txpd]

Tom Wilson. Leader. Not surprised

 

[txpd]

But of all the hockey things we may miss out on with this virus stoppage, full playoffs would be the most disappointing to me vs the regular season end or the next season start, for what should be completely obvious reasons, the playoffs are simply better than the RS. Got any problem with that sentiment?

I can say that watching the Nats win a play in game and then a best of 5 series when i thought they were both best of 7s(dopey me) was a blast.

I think we might find that a best of 3 round and or a best of 5 might be exciting. Certainly its a chance to try something new without having to actually change anything.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I just have no idea where you converted "don't want" into "demanding" anything. They are not the same and just having a preference for a full playoffs seems to have made you get all agro on me. Whatever, we can agree to disagree on what is possible, but there's no need to put words into my mouth.

I'll actually retract my sentiment a bit. I'd rather have a Cup with an asterisk, than no Cup with a full four best of 7 series. But of all the hockey things we may miss out on with this virus stoppage, full playoffs would be the most disappointing to me vs the regular season end or the next season start, for what should be completely obvious reasons, the playoffs are simply better than the RS. Got any problem with that sentiment?

I’m getting aggro? Why go there? I’m just disagreeing with you. Period end.

far as the asterisk — I already mentioned I thought Caps would get a Redskins type Cup win is this year. Of course I am ALL FOR IT

 

[kicksavedave]

I can say that watching the Nats win a play in game and then a best of 5 series when i thought they were both best of 7s(dopey me) was a blast.

I think we might find that a best of 3 round and or a best of 5 might be exciting. Certainly its a chance to try something new without having to actually change anything.

Well the Caps are built for the long playoff haul. They are big and physical and can wear down most anyone in a 7 game series.

In a 3 game series I don't like their chances at all. A couple bounces here and there and there's no chance to recover, like they did vs Columbus.

So, we'll see.

 

[txpd]

Well the Caps are built for the long playoff haul. They are big and physical and can wear down most anyone in a 7 game series.

In a 3 game series I don't like their chances at all. A couple bounces here and there and there's no chance to recover, like they did vs Columbus.

So, we'll see.

I didn't say it was good for the Caps. I said it might be exciting. Nats played an elimination game in every round and trailed in each. It was fun