Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2019-20 Season Pt. 4: 2020, Act II, Scene II

[LesDiablesRouges]

@Langway If you were BMac, would you have the cojones to move a 1st+Protas for Kreider, even as a rental? Seeing what we’ve seen from Protas and his skill-set/development this year, I’m weary of it, but, I’m not sure how else they’re discussing such a trade for Kreider, unless NY is fine with a couple high draft picks and a good, not great, prospect?

In a nutshell, would you make that move, if it was the only one NYR would take and cap-compliant?

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

Oh I know. I just don’t think any of those could be a “feature” prospect another team would be interested in

If he can get it done without the big four, BMac is a genius.

 

[txpd]

I meant including this summer. I think one will. In listening to how much GMBM likes Dillon, I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see him resigned before the FA period begins.

I am not seeing anyone's fate sealed right now. Each situation could move different ways. If Kempny is damaged goods and cant keep up, he might be out for sure. With Fehervary and Siegenthaler they have two players for two spots without keeping Dillon. If Dillon proves himself to be a Caps player, MacLellan will keep him, but that surely needs to be proven. Same with Jensen. I see no path for Gudas to stay at this point. Holtby….yea, that situation could go too many directions. I am not even going to try.

Do you honestly think that Holtby be could be a playoff hero, be willing to sign for what MacLellan could make work and choose to keep Dillon instead? That's hard for me to see.

 

[Todd Lazarchick]

Is there any way to extend Kreider? Would be ok with giving up the picks and players needed to get him but not for 20 odd games.

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

Watching Bobby Mac during intermission, he mentioned Brandon Saad may be on the move. Wouldn’t mind him on the 3rd line.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Watching Bobby Mac during intermission, he mentioned Brandon Saad may be on the move. Wouldn’t mind him on the 3rd line.

One more year at $6 mil....maybe if Chicago can retain 50% next year.....like Toffoli....wouldn’t mind Saad either.

 

[caps4cup]

One more year at $6 mil....maybe if Chicago can retain 50% next year.....like Toffoli....wouldn’t mind Saad either.

Saad is really good at even strength. Him and Eller would be a nice 3rd line duo. Or he could fit anywhere in the top 6. Wouldn’t be as flashy of a pickup as Kreider but Saad is arguably more effective and likely won’t cost as much.

 

[Sword]

Honestly, I would rather get Jeff Carter than Kovalchuk, he can play both wing and center and has won multiple championships. But I remember hearing that he'd retire if he were to be traded.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

Trochek or bust for me if we're going big

 

[Carlzner]

Bob McKenzie just said on the NBC broadcast that the capitals are one of the teams still legitimately interested in Krieder so I’d think there has to be some truth to all this

Let’s f***ing go

 

[Raikkonen]

Id not trade Protas for a rental.
Guy like Brodin - yes. Kreider - no.

 

[Langway]

@Langway If you were BMac, would you have the cojones to move a 1st+Protas for Kreider, even as a rental? Seeing what we’ve seen from Protas and his skill-set/development this year, I’m weary of it, but, I’m not sure how else they’re discussing such a trade for Kreider, unless NY is fine with a couple high draft picks and a good, not great, prospect?

In a nutshell, would you make that move, if it was the only one NYR would take and cap-compliant?

I wouldn't. Presumably that also means Jensen goes in some fashion, perhaps in a separate deal, which I guess is fine but D depth then become something of a wash. I guess they could just rely on CMM being a top nine player for them and that being it but that kind of sucks for the pipeline. They could maybe find cheap players through other means but for that sort of package, which is arguably better than what PIT gave up for Zucker, I'd want some manageable term remaining to get more than one run out of it. That still wouldn't be all-in per se but it would put a massive load on this season's outcome when certainly right now it's an out of sorts group. I could get behind something bold but I don't really like huge rental deals. I'd sooner target Pageau at a more reasonable price than ante up for the top rental. Boston still seems best positioned to make that move.

 

[txpd]

@Langway If you were BMac, would you have the cojones to move a 1st+Protas for Kreider, even as a rental? Seeing what we’ve seen from Protas and his skill-set/development this year, I’m weary of it, but, I’m not sure how else they’re discussing such a trade for Kreider, unless NY is fine with a couple high draft picks and a good, not great, prospect?

In a nutshell, would you make that move, if it was the only one NYR would take and cap-compliant?

No. For a guy on the 3rd line? No

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

I wouldn't. Presumably that also means Jensen goes in some fashion, perhaps in a separate deal, which I guess is fine but D depth then become something of a wash. I guess they could just rely on CMM being a top nine player for them and that being it but that kind of sucks for the pipeline. They could maybe find cheap players through other means but for that sort of package, which is arguably better than what PIT gave up for Zucker, I'd want some manageable term remaining to get more than one run out of it. That still wouldn't be all-in per se but it would put a massive load on this season's outcome when certainly right now it's an out of sorts group. I could get behind something bold but I don't really like huge rental deals. I'd sooner target Pageau at a more reasonable price than ante up for the top rental. Boston still seems best positioned to make that move.

JGP just seems like a better fit, IMO. He could play anywhere in our top-nine and would require less assets to get - less retention and salary needing to be moved out, as well.

What would your best offer for Kreider be?

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

Johansen+1st is really the most I'd be willing to even entertain for Kreider, then again I'm not really that big of a fan of his game.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

No. For a guy on the 3rd line? No

I hope it’s not their move. First plus any other prospect outside of the top-four makes a lot of sense. I think BMac is smarter than that, too.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

JGP just seems like a better fit, IMO. He could play anywhere in our top-nine and would require less assets to get - less retention and salary needing to be moved out, as well.

What would your best offer for Kreider be?

JGP is a guy I like for versatility for sure. I'm just a bit concerned at how he would stand up to the physicality of playoff hockey. Seems like he contributed well during that 2017 run, so who knows.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

Johansen+1st is really the most I'd be willing to even entertain for Kreider, then again I'm not really that big of a fan of his game.

Personally, I’d go as high as 2020 1st, 2021 2nd, any prospect outside the top-four, and a salary filler.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

JGP is a guy I like for versatility for sure. I'm just a bit concerned at how he would stand up to the physicality of playoff hockey. Seems like he contributed well during that 2017 run, so who knows.

If they could grab him without giving up a first, I think it’d be a great addition.

 

[Langway]

What would your best offer for Kreider be?

The first rounder and their choice of prospect outside of the top four whether that's Leason, Pilon, AJF or Malenstyn. Probably a forward in their estimation given their D depth.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

Earlier, Brian Burke said that he’s heard from a GM that the price for Kreider is:

1st
High-end/solid prospect
Mid-prospect/mid-pick
Conditional pick on Kreider resigning.

Backs up Bob’s reporting.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

Honestly I think we need to make moves on trying to get something for Johansen. I just see him sliding further and further down our internal depth chart and I don't see him every climbing over Fehervary or Alexeyev. His value as trade bait prospect exceeds his actual on ice potential at this point.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

I know I'm a broken record, but I really would much prefer if we're going all in doing it on someone like Trochek who provides way more flexibility as a player. He is a true center so we could slot him in the second line and let Kuzy play wing again. He can play wing if we want. His style really allows him to play on multiple lines. His game is absolutely low key filth.


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[EroCaps]

I'd jump all over 1st + Alexeyev + for Rakell.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

I know I'm a broken record, but I really would much prefer if we're going all in doing it on someone like Trochek who provides way more flexibility as a player. He is a true center so we could slot him in the second line and let Kuzy play wing again. He can play wing if we want. His style really allows him to play on multiple lines. His game is absolutely low key filth.


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He hasn’t been the same since his brutal injury. He was untouchable before and now isn’t, because he isn’t the same after it.