Friedman: Capitals interested in Marc-Andre Fleury

[dj Mahoney]

What goalie Fleurys age has ever gotten that return in ANY trade?

What GOALIE has his resume ?

 

[Marshall]

You're not paying for the resume, you are paying for current performance. Big difference.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

No one has done literally any of this. Eichel was used as an establishment of market prices. You can say he’s s unique case, but literally all trades are. He is a valuable context in his own right to the rate of players and picks in this market.

I’m like 12 posts into the conversation still waiting for anyone to provide any alternative offer and comps thst justify it beyond just naysaying.


It’s exceptionally easy to play the game of “wronnnnng, terrible offer”, but folks get tight lipped when asked what a good offer is and why.

Cat is a young elite piece on a rebuilding team. He wears a letter. There's no good offer that isn't horribly one sided.

 

[StephenPeat]

What GOALIE has his resume ?

Several in the history of the League have his resume and better. They were never traded for anything like what is being bandied about here.

Additionally Matt Murray outplayed Fleury to the extent that Fleury was deemed expendable. He’s also far younger. Is Murray also worth a 1st AND additional picks.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

What goalie Fleurys age has ever gotten that return in ANY trade?

As pure rentals Ryan Miller wasn't Fleury old but he returned a haul.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Several in the history of the League have his resume and better. They were never traded for anything like what is being bandied about here.

Additionally Matt Murray outplayed Fleury to the extent that Fleury was deemed expendable. He’s also far younger. Is Murray also worth a 1st AND additional picks.

Is Matt Murray currently outplaying MAF?

 

[StephenPeat]

You're not paying for the resume, you are paying for current performance. Big difference.

Additionally MAF was never single-handedly a great PO goalie. He was, as much, a product of a good team than anything he ever did himself. Even his successes (fleeting and transient as they have been) in CHI and LV have resulted from solid team defense.

Here’s the rub. A team with good team defense probably already has a goalie who is benefiting and doesn’t need Fleury. A team that appears to need Fleury probably already has suspect team D and Fleury will not re-direct their fortunes.

Fleury has never been a goalie to steal a Series and he’s not going to rescue poor Team D.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Vanacek is better than Samsonov IMO

Samsonov for Fleury should be plenty for Chicago IMO

 

[StephenPeat]

As pure rentals Ryan Miller wasn't Fleury old but he returned a haul.

Miller wasn’t traded alone and the amount of success he had afterwards does not make the point you seem to think it does.

 

[StephenPeat]

Is Matt Murray currently outplaying MAF?

I wonder which is benefitting from the better defensive team?

 

[Hodge]

Is Matt Murray currently outplaying MAF?

Yeah he actually is.

 

[dj Mahoney]

Several in the history of the League have his resume and better. They were never traded for anything like what is being bandied about here.

Additionally Matt Murray outplayed Fleury to the extent that Fleury was deemed expendable. He’s also far younger. Is Murray also worth a 1st AND additional picks.

Question who won the VEZINA last year ?

 

[SherVaughn30]

Yeah he actually is.

Just my opinion, I think the Caps would be better off trading for Murray than Fleury. Murray is only 27 and I think the Caps could get the Sens to retain some salary or take a bad contract.

 

[Pure West]

Vanacek is better than Samsonov IMO

Samsonov for Fleury should be plenty for Chicago IMO

No chance. There are multiple teams looking to bid on Fleury as he's basically the only real starter available for a team with cup aspirations. He is going to go for a pretty penny. You're going to have to give up a first round pick or a comparable asset.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Miller wasn’t traded alone and the amount of success he had afterwards does not make the point you seem to think it does.

Are we pretending Steve Ott was some massively valuable piece? And the success afterwards is immaterial if he's a rental. If you're suggesting the Blues gave up too much hey I'm not arguing otherwise.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Vanacek is better than Samsonov IMO

Samsonov for Fleury should be plenty for Chicago IMO

I'd say Samsonov+a 2nd is fair.

 

[crazyfisherman]

Are we pretending Steve Ott was some massively valuable piece? And the success afterwards is immaterial if he's a rental. If you're suggesting the Blues gave up too much hey I'm not arguing otherwise.

Ott was valued at a first by himself at the time

 

[elmaco]

MAF cup in PIT and WSH do it

 

[StephenPeat]

Question who won the VEZINA last year ?

Martin Brodeur is an undeniably better goaltender than Marc-Andre f***ing Fleury and he signed as a Free Agent for Jack Shit at approximately the same point in his career and he had won a Vezina that he deserved far more than Fleury. Any team that trades for Fleury on the hope that he has a Swan Song is betting the House on a Fold.

 

[StephenPeat]

MAF cup in PIT and WSH do it

I’d honestly pee a little and then a lot.

 

[StephenPeat]

Are we pretending Steve Ott was some massively valuable piece? And the success afterwards is immaterial if he's a rental. If you're suggesting the Blues gave up too much hey I'm not arguing otherwise.

I’m suggesting the Blues got played, the Salary Cap was a completely different animal, teams were less loathe to trade High Picks, Ryan Miller was simply a better goalie, Steve Ott was a desirable playoff commodity, basically everything was different in a way that doesn’t support your narrative but if you think the situations are remotely similar, you do you. I’ll choose to live in reality.

 

[StephenPeat]

Just my opinion, I think the Caps would be better off trading for Murray than Fleury. Murray is only 27 and I think the Caps could get the Sens to retain some salary or take a bad contract.

Actually it’s not just YOUR OPINION. I tend to agree. Fleury’s playoff rep is seemingly being re-written by Hawks fans who don’t really care about the playoffs these days anyways. Honestly, I’d try to trade for Corey Crawford before Marc-Andre Fleury.

 

[StephenPeat]

No chance. There are multiple teams looking to bid on Fleury as he's basically the only real starter available for a team with cup aspirations. He is going to go for a pretty penny. You're going to have to give up a first round pick or a comparable asset.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and expose myself for welcome ridicule. I’m going on record Right Now that No Team in the League will pay a 1st (higher than 25) for MAF. Book it.

 

[StephenPeat]

I'd say Samsonov+a 2nd is fair.

No, the Caps will not add to Samsonov in this scenario.

 

[SherVaughn30]

No, the Caps will not add to Samsonov in this scenario.

Then what would be fair trade?