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Have to agree...really wanted Stankoven, but Jimbo (and his crew) swung for the fences based on a very strong U18 performance...they probably thought he was more physically mature than he actually was.
Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign F Danila Klimovich to ELC
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The thing was, Stankoven had an equally (or more) impressive U18s (they were both at U18s not U20 aka WJC) playing in a secondary role for Canada.
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Probably just enamored with Klimovich's size over Stankoven...lots of teams passed on the better player probably just due to his size. Amazing that its still a consideration this day in age, but I guess it shouldn't be with all the dinosaurs still in the scouting world.
I'm sure lots of prospects could use the money. But you have to put players in the right place to maximize their development, and they essentially ramped an 18 year old who had been playing Jr. B hockey straight into the AHL where he was hopelessly out of his depth in terms of defensive play and puck management and it has predictably failed.
New management has to wear part of this as well for not correcting the process.
Just another example of how players have a ceiling and a floor, and if you put players in shitty situations, it really hampers their ability to learn and grow and therefore lowers their total ceiling. Too late of a correction and the prospect is basically a write off..
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Size is not the be all and end all anymore, but the makeup of a team cannot be without it. Size on the back end is still an absolute necessity. But without clutching and grabbing, the small forwards are more free to roam, it's just an extra dimension to give a guy to Tocchet that plays like him.
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I don't know if that's entirely fair, he looked pretty good in prospects camp and in the pre-season before they assigned him to the AHL. Perhaps they should have course corrected after his first season but it's pretty hard to send a player to junior after being in the AHL. This could have been his breakout year.
Not taking Stankoven was an absolute miss. Taking a kid based on one tournament was dumb. Benning persistenly took players trying to hit a home run to prove himself and compensate for the stupid things he has already done. Rather than doing the sensible and the obvious, he went for an outlier to show he could undercover a hidden gem no one else, but him, had recognized.
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There's a player named Stankoven?
Any guesses on his nickame at the rink
Any guesses on his nickame at the rink
Just a year of total frustration for Klimovich so far.......I think he might have been in concussion protocol, although the Canucks aren't saying.
Every once and awhile you see the potential that makes him so tantalizing. The size, the shot and some filthy dangles. But then at other times he's so quiet out there you have to check to program to confirm he was actually on the ice.
Canucks will be patient....who choice to they have?
Every once and awhile you see the potential that makes him so tantalizing. The size, the shot and some filthy dangles. But then at other times he's so quiet out there you have to check to program to confirm he was actually on the ice.
Canucks will be patient....who choice to they have?
He's no match for
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Klimovich was not rated in the top 120 picks in the 2021 draft.
Strangely Ty Mueller was, the player the Canucks took as an overage in the 2023; passed over until 2 drafts later.
Every year after the 1st round the Amateur scouts are a collective failure.
They sometime find a random player outside the top 32 but this is so inconsistent as to be just background noise.
It is amazing that with their large budget they haven't effectively used predictive tools to make their draft picks: the "gut guys" win regardless of what they yammer on about using analytics.
In addition to being a draft failure Klimovitch lack of development is an indictment of their so called Development model. It could probably be statistically proven that Klimovitch was better in his first two years before MJ really got a hold of him.
Their pro scouting is excellent and obscure their overall failure in drafting and developing players.
Strangely Ty Mueller was, the player the Canucks took as an overage in the 2023; passed over until 2 drafts later.
Every year after the 1st round the Amateur scouts are a collective failure.
They sometime find a random player outside the top 32 but this is so inconsistent as to be just background noise.
It is amazing that with their large budget they haven't effectively used predictive tools to make their draft picks: the "gut guys" win regardless of what they yammer on about using analytics.
In addition to being a draft failure Klimovitch lack of development is an indictment of their so called Development model. It could probably be statistically proven that Klimovitch was better in his first two years before MJ really got a hold of him.
Their pro scouting is excellent and obscure their overall failure in drafting and developing players.
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Oh, okay.
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RobertKron
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"Our prospect expert releases his picks for a draft that promises chaos and surprises"
It's right under the title. Good grief.
Anyway, it's funny that you didn't have a problem with the pick until like two years later.
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I didn't have a problem with the pick and still don't. You could clearly see how raw he was but the upside was extremely tantalizing. He had elite shot, good hands, size, and he played with edge and bit of a snarl (which you can't really teach). What I am really troubled by is there decision to bring him over to the AHL so early. His overall game wasn't on par with the league but the tools created a facade of adequacy. A lesser league , bigger role, and more offensive minutes to really grow overall would've been much better suited for a prospect like Klimovich (boom/bust). Obviously I don't have any real clue about what he and his agent wanted versus what management wanted so that could've been a huge factor.
I assume that none of us are paid 5 or 6 figures as Canucks Amateur scouts to predict the future performance of undrafted players with superior accuracy compared to Fans and Central Scouting but if you are, then you failed your job performance review.
