sandwichbird2023
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Nobody is stupid enough to pick up that negative value contract.
Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign Andrei Kuzmenko
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BimJenning
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Exactly this. It's why a lot of people didn't like contracts like Mikheyev. Rather have the cap flexibility or improve a non redundant area, or re-sign if Kuz works out. Now we can try and swing him for something with actual value potentially, unlike the majority of the suggested dumps which won't return anything
Szechwan
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The strange thing about Kuz is that his agent said one of the key components of choosing an NHL team was their ability to resign him should things work out.
What did Rutherford say to him? I don't see any world where that's possible without moving some key pieces.
What did Rutherford say to him? I don't see any world where that's possible without moving some key pieces.
vadim sharifijanov
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there are only three guys on this team i wouldn't trade, and obviously kuz isn't one of them
that said, i would think long and hard about keeping him if he and petey continue like this. when i think about complementary players, i don't look at their numbers, i look at how much more than can bring out of our good players.
for ex, jt miller. he and petey obviously had a lot of success together, numerically. but did he bring out anything in petey? did he make petey better? did he make petey more productive? actually, mostly the opposite. he took growth opportunities away from petey, and in the end both guys were better served on separate lines. but even now, miller on the pp, while obviously very effective, stifles petey, who has been mostly ineffective on the pp but has the much higher ceiling if you're willing to give him the opportunities and run possession after hughes passes it through him.
another example was kesler. higgins made kesler better by doing a lot of little things and freeing kesler to focus on his offence. raymond scored more but didn't make kesler better. kesler lifted raymond from a 15-20 goal scorer to 25 goals, but higgins' 15-20 goals lifted all-star kesler to nashville series kesler.
ditto alex burrows. the sedins lifted anson carter and mikael samuelsson, but burrows lifted the sedins.
all to say, petey's a big boy at this pt of his career and doesn't need a guy to help him along. but i'd much rather maximize him than saddle him with guys he needs to carry to career years.
in boeser's rookie year, he had thomas vanek helping him. then vanek was traded, and boeser regressed. hughes had tanev, then he didn't. he kept improving anyway, because he's a very special player, but i think we all can agree hughes is being asked to take on too much too soon in the absence of a good partner. all to say, it's ok to trade those training wheels guys, but you have to have a plan in place. you don't just saddle quinn hughes with myers and call it a day. so if not kuzmenko, who do we have that actually makes petey better?
that said, i would think long and hard about keeping him if he and petey continue like this. when i think about complementary players, i don't look at their numbers, i look at how much more than can bring out of our good players.
for ex, jt miller. he and petey obviously had a lot of success together, numerically. but did he bring out anything in petey? did he make petey better? did he make petey more productive? actually, mostly the opposite. he took growth opportunities away from petey, and in the end both guys were better served on separate lines. but even now, miller on the pp, while obviously very effective, stifles petey, who has been mostly ineffective on the pp but has the much higher ceiling if you're willing to give him the opportunities and run possession after hughes passes it through him.
another example was kesler. higgins made kesler better by doing a lot of little things and freeing kesler to focus on his offence. raymond scored more but didn't make kesler better. kesler lifted raymond from a 15-20 goal scorer to 25 goals, but higgins' 15-20 goals lifted all-star kesler to nashville series kesler.
ditto alex burrows. the sedins lifted anson carter and mikael samuelsson, but burrows lifted the sedins.
all to say, petey's a big boy at this pt of his career and doesn't need a guy to help him along. but i'd much rather maximize him than saddle him with guys he needs to carry to career years.
in boeser's rookie year, he had thomas vanek helping him. then vanek was traded, and boeser regressed. hughes had tanev, then he didn't. he kept improving anyway, because he's a very special player, but i think we all can agree hughes is being asked to take on too much too soon in the absence of a good partner. all to say, it's ok to trade those training wheels guys, but you have to have a plan in place. you don't just saddle quinn hughes with myers and call it a day. so if not kuzmenko, who do we have that actually makes petey better?
I mean, it won't be that hard to move Garland, pay a pick to move Pearson, put Poolman on LTIR, etc.
Getting the money to re-sign him isn't an issue. Him wanting to stay here might be, though.
Kid has that “it” factor that just is so excitable and should get everyone around him going. Brock who?
EpochLink
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Makes you wonder how many other Russian-born players in the KHL are flying under the radar? Time to bring Tryamkin back?
Aphid Attraction
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This might be completely wrong, and Im sure it will be proven so…
But seems to me all the KHL guys that are under the radar seem to want to tear North America and become stars… not just have a good carrier and make a better life for there family.
ChilliBilly
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I'm a huge Kuz fan, but suggesting he is going to get $9M is insane. I am hoping that at Xmas they can sign him for $6Mx6 to be honest.
he'll have to continue to play well and put up points but i don't see any reason he'd sign early. he's gonna use kaprizov as a comp and he compares fairly well especially when you consider he'll be a ufa and kap was an rfa. he's also got one long term contract in him probably. if he doesn't get a massive offer i think he'll reup for a year or two at most and try again
Cowumbus
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Off to a hot start, I knew he was good but I didn’t think he’d be hovering around a PPG pace.
Canucks fans, what do you think of AK96 so far?
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Kuz has been a great welcome surprise..and he's producing...
One should take into account though..How much of his production is simply being the beneficiary of Elias Pettersson's linemate..?
One should take into account though..How much of his production is simply being the beneficiary of Elias Pettersson's linemate..?
TruGr1t
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Ridiculous agent speak. The most important component by far, was the total amount he'd net on his next contract (i.e. mostly direct playing opportunity). And it's probably going to pay off. Highest bidder situation here, most likely.
PG Canuck
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Yeah, that’s the unfortunate part but it’s worth the shot. There might be some old GM who thinks rookie Boeser is still a thing.
There is no window. That’s the thing. Toiling in mediocrity is our window currently.
If it comes down to Kuzmenko or Garland and Pearson, then bring out the calculator for 'buy-outs'. They have to move out whatever crap they have on the salary front to get Kuz re-signed. I'd even put Boeser in that category.....who can't stay healthy and has never hit 30 goals in his entire career.
PuckMunchkin
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f*** that dood on here has ran a powerful campaign. Most people are buying this story now...
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FlameChampion
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Why was he scratched? Coach being the coach? Has he been bad defensively? Seems weird.
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