Canucks Offseason Thread || Sekeres: Canucks shopping Tanev, Sutter

[clunk]

This is entertainment at this point.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

you and i agree. tanev is in a prime position to play less and stay healthy, and they can split the pk time 3 ways so he blocks less shots. it is a perfect opportunity to have him healthy at the tdl for once and move him.

Except Jim is going to want Green to play the hell out of Tanev in a vain attempt to make the playoffs.

And if the team is in a position where they have to trade off sssets at TDL, it won’t be Jim doing it.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Ignoring cap space issues, if the Canucks signed Jake Gardiner, their defense would pretty much be at their 2010-2012 level/caliber.....or atleast really effing close.

Except that they would lack any top pairing D men.

 

[passive voice]

can we just f***in not commit long-term to any more dudes old enough to have gone to school with me?

 

[Melvin]

Alright, here we go.

1) OF COURSE YOU ARE HAVING TROUBLE "LANDING SPOT" FOR LOUI ERIKSSON. Is this real life? I had just assumed they had given up trying to trade him and were relying on burying him in Utica. They are "growing concerned?" wtf? Like what, the plan was just to put him on the block and someone would come knocking? God damn it.

2) Trading Sutter is good. But for f*** sakes how many of us were saying trade him at the 2018 deadline? At the 2017 deadline, even. Now they are finally realizing he's not foundational and should be moved and it's too f***ing late because he's played himself out of any value. God damn it.

3) Tanev. I'm not really opposed to shopping tanev, but for a cheaper defenseman?!?!?! You looked at this team and decided that the 4.5M you're paying Tanev is a problem? How do you even. You just spent 12m on two older, worse defenders. God damn it.

4) what in the f*** top six W is available on the ufa market still? Who is this? Do I even want to look? Must be some shitty ex bruin, no? God damn it.

 

[canucksfan]

No team is taking Loui unless Nucks add a considerable piece or it's for another cap dump. His contract sucks and he sucks.

What's perplexing to me, is I don't see anywhere else but here, blaming Benning for that contract signing.

 

[timw33]

Ignoring cap space issues, if the Canucks signed Jake Gardiner, their defense would pretty much be at their 2010-2012 level/caliber.....or atleast really effing close.

Swing and a miss.

 

[canucksfan]

If you bury Loui in the minors, you save a million with the cap but the player that takes his place will make around that so in the end you don't wind up saving that much.

 

[Nazzlind]

If you bury Loui in the minors, you save a million with the cap but the player that takes his place will make around that so in the end you don't wind up saving that much.

True, but I'd still rather use that million on someone else than Loui.

 

[Melvin]

If you bury Loui in the minors, you save a million with the cap but the player that takes his place will make around that so in the end you don't wind up saving that much.

I think the hope is that he won't report to Utica and the team can Berglund him.

 

[passive voice]

We have $18m locked up in Eriksson, Beagle, Roussel, and Myers in 2021-22, the first year of EP's (and Hughes') next contracts. Gardiner would push that to ~$25. Even if the cap explodes to $90m by then, that's already like 30% of it on 30+ guys who aren't particularly great now.

Second contracts are expensive these days. Fitting EP and Hughes in won't be a problem. Fitting THE REST OF A COMPETITIVE HOCKEY TEAM will start to be.

 

[Horse McHindu]

Except that they would lack any top pairing D men.

Maybe Hughes would become that guy in the future.

Worst case scenario, you'd still have a whole bunch of guys that would be worthy 2nd pairing dmen......which would be somewhat reminscient of our 2011 set-up.

 

[vanarchy]

True, but I'd still rather use that million on someone else than Loui.

It would open up the possibility of him refusing to show up, though. Which would be another plus.

 

[Fatass]

It would open up the possibility of him refusing to show up, though. Which would be another plus.

Then his contract gets terminated for non performance. That’s even better.

 

[vanarchy]

Then his contract gets terminated for non performance. That’s even better.

Larry gets it. ^

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

I’m sorry but why are losing their shit now on four rumours that haven been around for an entire calendar year?
Chill

 

[xtra]

Maybe Hughes would become that guy in the future.

Worst case scenario, you'd still have a whole bunch of guys that would be worthy 2nd pairing dmen......which would be somewhat reminscient of our 2011 set-up.

Ehhh that 2011 defense had erhoff finish 8 in Norris voting, Hamhung finish 16 and a beastly edler (who was injured) so no this defense is nothing like that 2011 defense

That 2011 bieksa who was the teams 4th would be the #1/2 dman on this team.

 

[Bankerguy]

I'd prefer;
Edler Myers
Hughes Tanev
Benn Stecher

Edler to clean up Myers mistakes and let him concentrate on break out leaving Edler to pick his spots and stay back.
Hughes can roam like a 4th forward and Tanev stays back deep. Stecher has Benn to stay behind and be physical presence letting him roam. I think all pairings compliment each other.

Yes, I agree. That would seem to be very effective as well. Having Myers paired with Hughes makes some sense since they literally make up for each other shortfalls (lack of size vs lack of mobility), however the reasons you layed out for your lineup are just as compelling.

 

[TruGr1t]

Haha wait, wait this is too good.

They finally have something moderately resembling a NHL defense and they want to move out a defenseman for a forward?? And a "cheaper" replacement for Tanev??

Well, if they just stopped now the offseason would probably be viewed as broadly successful so no doubt they have to go Full Benning and really screw it up. It is the way.

And for everyone worried about playoffs... The team may have a chance if they stand pat now. If management continues to tinker they have no chance. They will make the team worse.

And we all know the guy they want is Ferland, come on meow.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I’m sorry but why are losing their **** now on four rumours that haven been around for an entire calendar year?
Chill

It's the dog days of summer, damn it, let them have their moment.

 

[RandV]

No no just saw he's shopping Tanev from post above and figured Gardiner still unsigned and hes been mentioned before. He must have some hair brained idea to do something silly if he's shopping Tanev though. Again have no link just from reading posts above.

Moving Tanev alone doesn't free up space for Gardiner. He'll cost about $8M and Tanev is only 4.45, so you'd need to ditch Sutter or Eriksson at the same time.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Moving Tanev alone doesn't free up space for Gardiner. He'll cost about $8M and Tanev is only 4.45, so you'd need to ditch Sutter or Eriksson at the same time.

Oh my I didn't want Gardiner at all but if he's getting anything more then 7 oh my goodness. 8 is crazy for him. Please just please keep Tanev until deadline and then trade him with him hopefully healthy and playing well.

 

[RandV]

Here’s a question why would we assign him to the AHL is it against the rules to send him to the echl? Is there something prohibiting us from assigning him all the way down there?

Canucks have the right to send him to the AHL but that's about it, and there has to be a point where it becomes a problem with the union. Outside of that demotion I don't think you can simply 'make a players life uncomfortable to the point he voids his contract' is something legit.

That's all fan speak though, and isn't an indication of what Benning/Green may do.

 

[VancouverJagger]

This board will never be happy..............While I think they should have moved Tanev eons ago when he had some real value what's the point of seeing him play mayyyybe 50 games again this year? He's made of glass and that isn't going to change - even if we shelter his deployment a bit I don't see him being able to stay healthy.

Yes this whole exercise has been poor asset management however what's the best alternative here? I would ideally start the season with him - pray he doesn't get hurt in the first 20-30 games then look to move him to a team in need while hoping OJ or someone else can slot into the team. Chances are if you wait til the deadline he'll be injured and you won't get any return. At least salvage something here.............

 

[krutovsdonut]

That won't be nearly enough. Goldobin is worthless and Sautner or Lockwood might be worth a 5th-6th round pick at most.

We'd have to move a Virtanen/Woo/Madden/2nd round pick level asset to get rid of Eriksson. At best.

eriksson has value to ottawa. he bumps their cap for cheap and can still contribute. eriksson plus a goldobin is a good deal for them in isolation.

but the trouble is there is only one ottawa and many bad contracts. so their cap space is scarce and valuable and someone else may pay them far more than eriksson's value to dump a worse contract there . so our one hope is that melnyk won't pay the salary.