Tim Calhoun
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This is like criticizing Benning for Chad Billins and Cole Candella.
Speculation: Canucks next GM: The Hunt is on
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strattonius
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If it's Rutherford I'm really sorry but I might just bow out of being a fan. We desperately need to get away from an old boy that has the same short term vision that all these failings clown GMs have.
strattonius
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You've already been torched by several posters but hard to resist - many of these players are a bad example of pro scouting when they are minor league player signings.
Most of the pros you listed actually played pretty well: Demitra, Wellwood, Hordichuk, and Glass were all solid role players.
There's really only a handful of good examples of pro scouting failures. I would argue all good GMs have a handful of misses as well. Either way bad list.
Bettman Returnz
Why so serious?
Rutherford has made Benning-like bad trades. It’s one thing if he’s the POHO but I don’t want him pulling the trigger on trades. Give me a macfarland, Tulsky or Gilman please! I am all for experience but let’s get serious hear JR is over the moon and one of the last options I wish to see here.
All this talk that Rutherford could be cheaper… I want the right person not the cheapest for aqua’s cheque book.
All this talk that Rutherford could be cheaper… I want the right person not the cheapest for aqua’s cheque book.
Melvin
21/12/05
I don't know who posted the list you guys are critiquing but it's pretty hilarious.
What a dummy Gillis was for signing Mark Mancari to lead the AHL team in scoring and give the team depth options. He should have ignored the farm system entirely like Benning did for 8 years. Idiot.
What a dummy Gillis was for signing Mark Mancari to lead the AHL team in scoring and give the team depth options. He should have ignored the farm system entirely like Benning did for 8 years. Idiot.
Rutherford is an awful pro scout and I want him as far from this organization as possible. Same with Tallon.
Bunch of dinosaurs in the OBC that are just bad at their jobs, other than the media pumping them up.
I demand a forward thinking, rational, critical thinking GM, not awful GM's that have destroyed their previous teams.
Bunch of dinosaurs in the OBC that are just bad at their jobs, other than the media pumping them up.
I demand a forward thinking, rational, critical thinking GM, not awful GM's that have destroyed their previous teams.
The dude who made that list has slurped hard on all Benning's moves and also been But Gillis and But drafting the whole time.
Is that list any different than (the Gillis list looks way better to me, cost less assets and less salary):
Sbisa (key piece for the best tradeable asset in org)
Dorsett (3rd rd pick plus massive inflated extension)
Clendening (Forsling)
Pedan (3rd rd pick)
Conacher
Baertschi (2nd rd pick - signed a 3 year $10m deal)
Goldobin
Pouliot (4th plus Pedan who they paid a 3rd for LOL)
Vey (2nd rd pick)
Leipsic
Kero
Gagner (had to be traded for someone they bought out)
Spooner (bought out)
Perron
Pope (ECHLer)
Cracknell
Skille
Molino
Megna
Chaput
Wiercoch
Burmistrov
Nilsson
Palmu
Bachman
Roussel ($12m)
Beagle ($12m)
Schaller
Prust (Kassian + 5th rd pick)
Sutter (Bonino + 2nd)
Granlund (recent 1st)
Gudbranson (recent 1st + 33rd overall)
Philip Larsen (4th)
Rafferty
Teves
Kielly
Fantenberg
Benn
Myers (5 years $30m)
Eriksson (6 years $36m at 31 years old)
Ferland (couldnt insure the contract)
Master team builder who folks stroked their hammer to for 8 years.
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LOL. That is a f***ing brutal list. I don't even recall 1/4 of those guys either.
Really shows you how much I have cared about the shit we've witnessed the past 8 years. Hell, I remember all but 2-3 players on that "Gillis' fail" list the other poster posted.
A cap dump like Brad Lukowich (who would be be a better defensive dman than most on the list above) still managed to impress during his showing up here, and was only lost because we had like 7-8 legit NHL defenseman on 1 way contracts that year. The f***ing D core between 2009-2012 was deep as hell.
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I understand the Booth acquisition by Gillis because they were tight to the cap and he took a gamble to try to improve his team. The gamble itself is fine.
The parts that need to be mentioned are:
A) They were almost forced to make a trade like this immediately because they paid 2.25 million (close to 3 million in today's cap for comparision) for a guy in Sturm who probably wasn't an NHL player. That is a disaster for a team that was so close to the cap and trying to win a Cup.
B) As has been talked about here many times, Booth's injury was a sprained MCL that held him out for a few weeks. That is not having "his knee wrecked" and is pretty minor for a knee injury. It's basically Edler/Hyman from last year.
Gillis did an awesome job overall, but some of his moves near the end didn't work out great. So be it. When creativity goes wrong it can often look like desparation.
This is a tough one.
For upper management (president + gm) you need dozens of solid qualities but it's definitely important to key in on a handful.
You need someone who can deflect ownership...that's just something we can pretty easily assume in Vancouver.
You need someone forward thinking as this is a sport that is still evolving and you have to have a leg up on 31 peers.
You need someone who has an eye for talent and can delegate.
You need someone who clearly understands what is working in the frame of hockey as a sport, whether that means you need an experienced guy or not I don't know.
You need someone who has a calming, assertive, smart presence and is an effective communicator.
You need someone who can negotiate and clearly make hard decisions based on their vision.
Probably some other big ones I've missed but, it's not an easy task to find good management. Hopefully they take their time and don't get swayed by other stuff.
For upper management (president + gm) you need dozens of solid qualities but it's definitely important to key in on a handful.
You need someone who can deflect ownership...that's just something we can pretty easily assume in Vancouver.
You need someone forward thinking as this is a sport that is still evolving and you have to have a leg up on 31 peers.
You need someone who has an eye for talent and can delegate.
You need someone who clearly understands what is working in the frame of hockey as a sport, whether that means you need an experienced guy or not I don't know.
You need someone who has a calming, assertive, smart presence and is an effective communicator.
You need someone who can negotiate and clearly make hard decisions based on their vision.
Probably some other big ones I've missed but, it's not an easy task to find good management. Hopefully they take their time and don't get swayed by other stuff.
Bettman Returnz
Why so serious?
Agreed! Just take your time and pick the right guy(s). I don’t want some knee-jerk decision made. The more time that goes by (potentially) the better.
I get that $ plays a factor but please don’t pick someone because they are cheaper. That’s not good business!
I get that $ plays a factor but please don’t pick someone because they are cheaper. That’s not good business!
Lindgren
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The Athletic has a list of GM possibilities. I'm only the messenger. Don't shoot.
Rutherford
Smyl
Gillis
Gilman
Botterill
Wickenheiser
Bergevin
Mellanby
Eustace King
Chris MacFarland
Ryan Johnson
Henrik and Daniel
JP Barry
Luongo
Josh Flynn
Futa
Ferraro
Craig Conroy
Ross Mahoney
Ferguson Jr.
Weekes
Alexandra Mandrycky
Chayka
Rutherford
Smyl
Gillis
Gilman
Botterill
Wickenheiser
Bergevin
Mellanby
Eustace King
Chris MacFarland
Ryan Johnson
Henrik and Daniel
JP Barry
Luongo
Josh Flynn
Futa
Ferraro
Craig Conroy
Ross Mahoney
Ferguson Jr.
Weekes
Alexandra Mandrycky
Chayka
Bettman Returnz
Why so serious?
I keep seeing/hearing Ryan Johnson as a serious candidate… wouldn’t he be named interim GM if he was actually a strong possibility?
Bettman Returnz
Why so serious?
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JIM FRANKING RUTHERFORD is hired
I hate this organization sooooooooooooooo much
I hate this organization sooooooooooooooo much
y2kcanucks
Le Sex God
Well this team is still f***ed. It's why I didn't get too excited on Sunday. Frankie is still running the team, so to expect him to hire someone intelligent and a progressive thinker was very unlikely to happen.
Great, they're hiring the only guy who lost a trade with Jim Benning.
Bettman Returnz
Why so serious?
It better be POHO and he’s being hired to find the right GM. Otherwise, why the bloody rush? Voids everything they said in press conference.
y2kcanucks
Le Sex God
I don't even care if it's for PoHo and not GM (if that ends up being the case). I don't want incompetence in the front office. Any GM who thought Erik Gudbranson, Jack Johnson, and Michael Matheson were good defensemen to build around is incompetent.
JumpierPegasus
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If Jim Rutherford is GM we are doomed
If Jim Rutherford is PoHo and hires a dinosaur GM we are doomed
The only way this works out is if JR is the PoHo simply for the OBC relations around the league, since when Gillis was here as PoHo and GM he was hated by other teams GM's because he wasn't an old boy. If JR then goes and hires a new GM, with a new way of thinking, and the ability to make changes and culture shifts on this team (I've seen some great names from the National League come up recently by some posters here) then maybe we are okay
But knowing Frankie and knowing JR we in for another 5-7 years of trash
If Jim Rutherford is PoHo and hires a dinosaur GM we are doomed
The only way this works out is if JR is the PoHo simply for the OBC relations around the league, since when Gillis was here as PoHo and GM he was hated by other teams GM's because he wasn't an old boy. If JR then goes and hires a new GM, with a new way of thinking, and the ability to make changes and culture shifts on this team (I've seen some great names from the National League come up recently by some posters here) then maybe we are okay
But knowing Frankie and knowing JR we in for another 5-7 years of trash
Bettman Returnz
Why so serious?
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Another egotistical dumb prick that's associated with winning multiple cups due to either good fortune or by having 2 of the best players in the game (at the time).
Just great. f*** you FAQ.
Just great. f*** you FAQ.
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