Melvin
21/12/05
I can't stress this enough. If you have a legitimate criticism of the potato and or the picks it has made, please post in the dedicated thread and I'd be happy to discuss. Otherwise I assume you're just talking shit.
I think you've put some thought into your previous points, though I just want to clear up a couple things I think you're misinterpreting with the potato (feel free to correct me, Melvin).
We don't revere the potato for its drafting ability and that was never its intention anyway. It's just an attempt to provide an objective baseline for drafting players, and the objectivity comes from the fact it only looks at a player's PPG while considering leagues, position, and height. It doesn't care about more subjective things like whether players are Russian, grew up in Vancouver, or were arrogant in their combine interviews.
The potato is supposed to be a predictive tool, not an evaluative one. The evaluation using TOI only comes in after the potato has made its picks, and has no bearing (that I know of) on player selection. The point of the TOI comparisons was probably just to make an easy calculation of the potato's performance relative to NHL teams. It's not perfect - there are situations where Player A makes the NHL before Player B, and would have more TOI in the first few years even if Player B looks to be the better player moving forward. You can really evaluate the selections however you see fit, which is I think what most of us do.
Behind the scenes it probably looks something like:
A*B*C*(Draft PPG) = Potato Points
Where A, B, and C are the league, position, and height adjustments, and Potato Points are optimized to some NHL variable. I'm not sure if Melvin has shared what the variable is exactly (NHL PPG? NHL TOI?).
Bob McK obviously (he's retiring btw)........He's been around twice as long (on TV) as most guys on the HNIC panel....But who gets the higher viewership?...Rogers holds the NHL rights.
"On the bright side, four more seasons without any labor concerns. Also on bright side, my anticipated retirement date: September, 2020"...Bob McKWhere did you hear that? He just tweeted something about hopefully by the time he's back from vacation the Marner deal is done.
"On the bright side, four more seasons without any labor concerns. Also on bright side, my anticipated retirement date: September, 2020"...Bob McK
That matters. It's right after the draft. That's not hindsight.
Imagine if a poster only posted a day after the draft to say that he likes the pick. Is that hindsight? Boeser would not have played a single game to skew information. Give your head a shake.
So just to clarify based upon this post:
Boeser wins the vote in pure numbers. If you were to parse the data to remove posters who supported the pick a day after it was made, or to eliminate double selections, you get what POM just posted.
HF, you decide.
(I'm still going to keep tabulating)
So..going by these parameters (double selections, and who supported the pick in hindsight),and using "So You Think You Can Draft" as your basis......
2014: So you think you can draft - 2014 edition......
Jake Virtanen.
2014 VirtanenOh hey POM, how are you?!? Long time.
Cool, now note: I didn’t include “hindsight selections” as you call them for my research. I’m saying it’s valid to do so.
That said, as someone pointed out earlier in the thread, if you do it this way you get Pettersson instead of Mittlestadt. I’m also guessing that you would get Boeser clearly defined in the vote. Are you good with that trade off?
2014 Virtanen
2015 Boeser
2016 Tkachuk
2017 Pettersson
2018 Hughes
2019 Boldy/Pod
Take out Tkachuk,..pretty much looks like what Benning picked.
2014 Virtanen
2015 Boeser
2016 Tkachuk
2017 Pettersson
2018 Hughes
2019 Boldy/Pod
Take out Tkachuk,..pretty much looks like what Benning picked.
So You Think You Can Draft - 2019 EditionWhy take out Tkachuk exactly?
And why is 2019 Boldy/Pod?
Vankiller Whale Jerey Rooy
DCantheDDad Konency
canucksfan100 Boeser
vancityluongo Konency
kilgore111 Merkley
donut Konency
Bad news Benning Boeser
Canucks10 Merkley
Nuckles Merkley
offbeatgravy Merkley
turkulad Boeser
Canucker Konency
Trelane Sprong
leftwinglockdown Anthony Beauvilier
jigsaw99 Boeser and Merkley
thefeebster Brock Boeser/Nick Merkley
MS Nick Merkley or Boeser
ting101 Travis Konency
Red Boeser
Rosko Thorn Travis Konency
Yossarian54 Nick Merkley
y2kcanucks Konency
ugghhh Beauvillier
biturbo19 Larsson
Boeser 7 votes
Konency 7 votes
Merkley 8 votes
For fun and since it was only 2 pages of posts, I counted the actual votes including people who voted for two players. These are the results.
Roy - 1
Boeser - 9
Konecny - 6
Merkley - 7
Sprong - 1
Beauvillier -2
Larsson - 1
So it actually looks like the board preferred Boeser, although I would like to see the pre-draft poll instead.
Nope..it can be included..just saying that 'other' than Tkachuk.. its pretty much Bennings picks.Yeah sure take out the biggest draft mistake he has made so far and the first rounds look the same. This is like judging Benning's trade record without using the Gudbranson trade.
So You Think You Can Draft - 2019 Edition
Boldy and Pod come out around even (using your parameters)
Other than Tkachuk..Its Bennings picks.
I think if it's even for Boldy/Pod in that thread, and the actual voting thread has Boldy as the top choice, it should be Boldy. Just to make things clear here.
"Other than Tkachuk" may as well read like "everything Benning did minus one 1st line core player"... You think that's a small disparity?
Edit: Oh, your saying it matches Benning's picks. Well, when you include post-draft support votes that will tend to happen.
Obviously.
Why do you left several posters out, namely me? Why I don't see all those Merkley votes in the thread?
Your vote count does not match mine. I have 7s across the board. Racerjoe's count, which includes post-draft support, sides with Boeser:
But not to worry lawrence, still currently tabulating results from other threads. Will post when done.
So his opinion won’t matter despite being more respected because Rogers has the rights and the Canucks regional rights and will never critique the Canucks, therefore helping you win your argument by adding ridiculous limitations.Bob McK obviously (he's retiring btw)........He's been around twice as long (on TV) as most guys on the HNIC panel....But who gets the higher viewership?...Rogers holds the NHL rights.
Um..where did I say Bob McK opinion doesn't matter?....I wasn't even aware that there was an argument?So his opinion won’t matter despite being more respected because Rogers has the rights and the Canucks regional rights and will never critique the Canucks, therefore helping you win your argument by adding ridiculous limitations.
Congrats.
He already did that. Three people saying you are mistaken and you still insist? Must be like the other twitter guy who was corrected in some kind of made up fact, insulted the other twitter user who corrected him and then made an apology, admiting he was unprofessional. I get it, it is your job, but try to resemble some honesty.So you think you can draft - 2015 edition 1 vote canucksfan100
So you think you can draft - 2015 edition 2nd vote bad news benning
So you think you can draft - 2015 edition 3rd vote turkulad
So you think you can draft - 2015 edition 4th vote user name thefeebster
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/104468839/ 5th vote ms
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/posts/104478459/ 6th vote red
So you think you can draft - 2015 edition jigsaww 7th vote, but this one he was 50/50, so Boeser and Merkley cancels each other out.
can you kindly name the the 9 votes for Boeser?
according to that one thread. I can't find any other info on 2015 pre draft.
He already did that. Three people saying you are mistaken and you still insist? Must be like the other twitter guy who was corrected in some kind of made up fact, insulted the other twitter user who corrected him and then made an apology, admiting he was unprofessional. I get it, it is your job, but try to resemble some honesty.