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Kassian's fitness concerns are of his own doing, or lack there of. Edler has (had) an injury (his back) that could affect his off-ice training. Edler's are not of his own making. Training with a 'sore' back must be difficult.
Lonny Bohonos
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ddawg1950
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You've mentioned these fitness issues, particularly with Kassian, a number of times, Alflives. Where are you getting this from?
I have not seen it mentioned anywhere and I am curious. Was this from a source you heard or is it from your own observation.
Honestly I know it's not kosher to suggest people are trolling, but Alflives would be the perfect routine for someone who wanted to get a reaction out of people.
Roll around the board posting hilarious inaccuracies and downright falsehoods, then retreat behind "hey I'm just a fan asking question" when called on it.. amazing.
Is there another poster that is quoted more often these days?
Yes, of course that could be. I accept that Kassian might be as fit as possible and his minute ceiling is only 6 to 10 minutes, defaulting him to being only a 3rd or 4th line guy. I also accept that he's young, and learning what it takes (off the ice) to be a professional. I am not a Kassian 'basher'. I see him as a unique talent, who could provide so much more than he currently does. I would love to see Tortorella play Kassian on every 5 on 5 shift with the twins. I just don't see him 'fit' enough to play those minutes. Hopefully, I'm wrong.
Whenever the Canucks acquire a player my wife likes, she plants a tree for him. (Okay I dig the hole and she 'says' she planted it.) We have a Smyle, a Linden, a Bure, a couple of twins, a Marcus, a Big Bert, a Luongo, a Kesler, a Burrows, and now a Zack. I hope Kassian's tree thrives as well as the others.
Dunno where he gets it from, but I also question Kassian's fitness levels. He skates like he's out of gas most of the time.
Honestly I know it's not kosher to suggest people are trolling, but Alflives would be the perfect routine for someone who wanted to get a reaction out of people.
Roll around the board posting hilarious inaccuracies and downright falsehoods, then retreat behind "hey I'm just a fan asking question" when called on it.. amazing.
Is there another poster that is quoted more often these days?
I've noticed people here don't really know what trolling is, what you've described is trolling, proper trolling anyways. It seems to get overlooked quite a lot at HF.
Lonny Bohonos
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Its not just Alflives its been mentioned by other over the last few months about Kassian being "out of shape."
The coaches specifically said that they were really impressed with Kassian and his commitment to fitness last year so there doesn't appear to be any issue with him in this area. Edler, IMO, was mostly mental mistakes last year. I know the back injury must have affected him but often he just made poor decisions. Fitness is not an issue.
Lonny Bohonos
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Yet often hes deep in the O zone, one of the first guys back to the neutral zone and the D zone.
Think people see his skating style and think hes out of shape.
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Aside from a small slap on the wrist for partying too much last season... I thought Kassian was a fitness freak.
I'm guessing his little stint in the AHL is why this speculation about his fitness level is floating around with some.
Kirk Mclean
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I thought the general consensus was that Kassian's fitness is still an issue? I don't think suggesting that is trolling at all, I think a lot of fans feel that way about him. Of course we can't prove it, but it's a fairly common opinion.
Anyway keeping to the thread topic, I was really impressed with what I saw of Torts yesterday. Seems like a guy who is really passionate about winning, and isn't afraid to show it; that's something that fans (and the players) will rally around. I think a lot of people (myself included) really appreciated his honest and humble responses.
Doesn't hurt that he's a dog lover either, haha.
I think at the very least, under his coaching, we'll get to see what these players actually have left. The last two years with AV, I've always been left wondering if there's more the players are capable of under the right leadership. If they play the same listless, boring, uninspired hockey next season, at least we'll know that that's all we can expect from these guys.
I'm really stoked for the 13-14 season, which isn't really something i could've said about the last two seasons, excitement of the lockout ending notwithstanding.
Anyway keeping to the thread topic, I was really impressed with what I saw of Torts yesterday. Seems like a guy who is really passionate about winning, and isn't afraid to show it; that's something that fans (and the players) will rally around. I think a lot of people (myself included) really appreciated his honest and humble responses.
Doesn't hurt that he's a dog lover either, haha.
I think at the very least, under his coaching, we'll get to see what these players actually have left. The last two years with AV, I've always been left wondering if there's more the players are capable of under the right leadership. If they play the same listless, boring, uninspired hockey next season, at least we'll know that that's all we can expect from these guys.
I'm really stoked for the 13-14 season, which isn't really something i could've said about the last two seasons, excitement of the lockout ending notwithstanding.
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Kassian was in much better shape this season than when he first joined us. He had a hard summer last year and was made to train in a lot of different camps and settings by management. I expect this summer will be equally hard.
I laugh at any indication that Edler's conditioning was the problem. 'conditioning' and 'back' are two different things and show a lack of understanding of fitness in general.
I laugh at any indication that Edler's conditioning was the problem. 'conditioning' and 'back' are two different things and show a lack of understanding of fitness in general.
Lonny Bohonos
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Dont know if it was partying too much or breaking curfew.
But I think the fitness "issue" has to do with his skating style and the fact that he played 4th line minutes.
Some guys just look pretty skating some dont but it has nothing to do with fitness.
Not to mention hes trying to figure out his role as an expected power forward and seems to do more running around tha is necessary. Something that should reduce with experience.
Only my own observation, watching his skating. I see him as a fabulous skater, especially for such a big person. I know he was trained by a figure skater when he was younger, which resulted in excellent body position and stroke mechanics. As his minutes increase his technique fails. (he becomes more 'erect'.) This is common with all players, but with Kassian it happens earlier than top minute guys. (6 to 10 minutes or extended shifts - like when he's with the Twins.) This is what I see, not what I have read or heard. The only comment I have heard from a player is Kesler's. To paraphrase: '[Kassian] needs to realize just how important he can be to this team's success.' Or something along those lines. Others in this forum point out Kassian is a big guy and young, and it often takes those guys longer to develop fitness. I do not 'troll' or 'fish' for reaction, even if others interpret my meaning that way. I like the discussion, and reading other's viewpoints that contradict mine, or point out other possible conclusions. (I also like the entertainment value here; some posters are fun to read) Clearly from reading your posts you not only played but most likely coached this game at a high level. I appreciate your diaglogue.
Reverend Mayhem
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Re: Kassian.
Could be his skating technique. I know I don't skate very pretty, but not often do I feel out of gas even though I am out of shape. I'm no NHLer, but when I skate it does look like I'm exhausted. Probably because I'm not bending my knees enough.
Could be his skating technique. I know I don't skate very pretty, but not often do I feel out of gas even though I am out of shape. I'm no NHLer, but when I skate it does look like I'm exhausted. Probably because I'm not bending my knees enough.
mrmyheadhurts
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Ha, if you aren't out of gas after a minute long shift, then you aren't working hard enough and/or moving your legs.
Honestly I know it's not kosher to suggest people are trolling, but Alflives would be the perfect routine for someone who wanted to get a reaction out of people.
Roll around the board posting hilarious inaccuracies and downright falsehoods, then retreat behind "hey I'm just a fan asking question" when called on it.. amazing.
Is there another poster that is quoted more often these days?
This, and this.
I monitored the boards a bit more in the last few days to cross-check prospects info with my own, and I was reminded of why I don't come on here much anymore. The amount of mindless 'speculation' and 'facts pulled out of arse' is just... astounding.
Ha, if you aren't out of gas after a minute long shift, then you aren't working hard enough and/or moving your legs.
Haha yeah talk about having no clue
In all honesty if you're skating HARD for 30 seconds-45 seconds tops and your legs aren't screaming, you aren't skating very hard at all.
Why is Kassian's conditioning such a polarizing subject?
My impression of him is that he's a gifted skater for a player his size but his energy level does seem to fluctuate a lot. That's the case with a lot of young players though. When he's able to go harder for longer his game will really come together as he has the vision and hands to make some nice plays. He just needs to initiate more battles more consistently and win them and I think that comes with the experience of being a pro. Also adjusting to the rigors of travel that come with play for the Canucks must account for some of his energy issues. I think his conditioning was not a strong point when he was acquired and I think having him train with the Sedins was an attempt to show him what he should be doing.
My impression of him is that he's a gifted skater for a player his size but his energy level does seem to fluctuate a lot. That's the case with a lot of young players though. When he's able to go harder for longer his game will really come together as he has the vision and hands to make some nice plays. He just needs to initiate more battles more consistently and win them and I think that comes with the experience of being a pro. Also adjusting to the rigors of travel that come with play for the Canucks must account for some of his energy issues. I think his conditioning was not a strong point when he was acquired and I think having him train with the Sedins was an attempt to show him what he should be doing.
Why is Kassian's conditioning such a polarizing subject?
Because every single article out there talks about how committed Kassian is to conditioning and fitness. Even in Buffalo, he worked with all sorts of specialists all summer to try and improve. This isn't a guy that has ever slacked off. The only evidence to the contrary is one poster's rampant speculation and him being sent down to the AHL for a game.
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