Canucks add Weisbrod to Hockey Ops staff
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groovygoodwine
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I read Calgary Puck a lot and this pretty much covers it. He was supposedly the guy responsible for their 2012 picks but a lot less is known about how much input he had in 2013. Many think it matters because the consensus is that they drafted poorly in 2012 (mostly reaching for Jankowski) but did much better in 2013 (conventional 1st round picks). Other than Janko, which deserves all the criticism it gets, I'm not sure there is much difference in pick quality past the 1st round. Way, way too early to call anything.
What I don't get is if he's such a "reach for the stars" kind of guy, how is he supposed to mesh with Benning who is pretty conservative with his picks. I guess they're both "eyeball" before stats, advanced or otherwise. But I question Weisbrod's respect for certain fundamentals e.g., Tryamkin can skate, Kanzig can not.
Best thing to hope for is that they keep it simple in rounds 1-3 and only then go nuts if they feel they must, but, in any case, Weisbrod should not be let out without supervision.
just22
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At the end of the day it was Feaster, being the incompetent GM that he is, took his word and made the pick. I'm hoping Benning is going to be smarter than that. Not that the last few moves he made is giving that indication, but again... hope.
Why are people freaking out about this? He's likely not getting near making picks or making decisions. MAYBE they'll let him take who he wants in round 5-7ish just as a reward for the work he's done. I have no problem with that. That's the part of the draft where you'd like someone like him, who makes the bold pick or takes the most skilled guy.
Reverend Mayhem
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I'm more inclined to believe in this
Rather than this
he's got some job I didn't even know existed until right now. Honestly not too worried about that. If he moves up in the ranks, look out though.
Not overly stoked. Nothing I've heard about him has been terribly positive, and the whole Jankowski thing reflects very poorly on him.
Would prefer we were bringing new, younger blood and ideas into our management team rather than recycling Calgary's junk.
Would prefer we were bringing new, younger blood and ideas into our management team rather than recycling Calgary's junk.
LOL, people on this board are too much. No one even knows what this guy is going to do. I don't know how the organization is run in Calgary but VP of Player Personnel has nothing to do with drafting in most cases. It should really read VP of Player Relations.
InfinityIggy
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The Jankowski pick is entirely on Weisbrod, he decided in December we were taking him. Other than that his drafting with the Flames was pretty good. This isn't a disaster for Vancouver.
Jack Tripper
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red flags all over the place with this guy
not going to make a big deal about it until we get clarity around what his role in the organization actually is, and whether it has any effect on gilman's continued employment
not going to make a big deal about it until we get clarity around what his role in the organization actually is, and whether it has any effect on gilman's continued employment
Nucker101
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What other good picks did he make? Or was he on staff for? I liked that he found a couple of decent UDFA's for Boston. I hope Benning doesn't trust him with any higher round selections, clearly Weisbrod seems to try a look for unknown prospects with upside. Best case is to give him a late round pick or just stick with UDFA's from college.
Wilch
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Weisbrod was the Bruins scout and player personnel AGM in Calgary (was behind the Jankowski selection).
He worked for the Bruins between late 2006 to 2011, and 2011 to 2013 for the Flames.
If you look at the Bruins draft between 2007-11 and Flames between 2011-2013:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00004919.html
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00005090.html
It's absolutely putrid.
He worked for the Bruins between late 2006 to 2011, and 2011 to 2013 for the Flames.
If you look at the Bruins draft between 2007-11 and Flames between 2011-2013:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00004919.html
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00005090.html
It's absolutely putrid.
I in the Eye
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Here's a video of Weisbrod scouting the diamond in the rough, Jankowski:
He's a gold miner. He's looking for gold in them hills, using dowsing rods. His bread-and-butter and interest is in player personnel (using his intuition to bring in a golden personnel). If this isn't his job, it's not in his main interest area.
Won't be a disaster if Weisbrod's not making the final decisions on player personnel (based on the polarity in his body) and if his creative ideas and off-the-board recommendations are strongly debated by Gilman and Benning. Maybe that's how it was in Boston? Feester seems to have been sold the kool-aid snake oil (do you have any ideas or thoughts on how involved Weisbrod was in the O'Reilly offersheet? seems like could have been a creative interpretation of the rules by Weisbrod, to me). Did Weisbrod not stop to think that the league should be consulted with, to make sure that the interpretation was correct? Even if it was Feester's idea, as an advisor, Weisbrod should have thought lets investigate scientifically if this creative idea is actually doable... Just because we think it is, doesn't mean it is... And that's my main problem with Weisbrod. He relies on his dowsing rods and believes that his intuitive recommendation and word is the right thing to the point that no further scientific investigation is necessary. Pseudoscience. One viewing. One palm reading. Jankowski WILL be the best player in the draft, in 10 years. Sure there is still time for Jankowski... but time is ticking... and this is what charleton's do. The prophecy is 10 years. Can't judge him and if he was right or wrong, for 10 years. And then, even if it didn't work out... it was player development, or injury, or both... not because he was wrong.
I guess might not be bad to have a creative idea guy in the mix... Throw away 98% of the ideas, and keep him around for those 2% that can perhaps help generate more than incremental gains, if they succeed. But I'd hope that Gilman, Benning, Linden, Aquilini would see which gold nuggets in personnel and strategy to investigate further, and which to throw away. I'd hope that there are skeptics in the group who believe half of what they see, none of what they hear. I keep hearing how smart Weisbrod is, but what exactly extraordinary has he done? To me, he's just as smart as every other hockey decision-maker I see, and not as smart as others. Where are the extra-special smart results, that it is appropriate to consistently label Weisbrod "smart"?
Not sure what Weisbrod's job title means. But there's enough words in there (VP, player personnel), that make me pause.
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People are riding Weisbrod, other then managing the cap Gilman isn't much better. He crashed and burned in Phoenix and didn't do great with Gillis aside from managing the cap. Also Todd Button sent Weisbrod to watch Jankowski play so I'm pretty sure Button had a lot of say in the matter as well. The Buttons are an interesting bunch Craig ranked Virtanen in the 40s in this draft and Fucale in the top 10 last draft. :
I'll judge Weisbrod based on what he does here not what he's done in the past same thing I did with Gilman when he was hired.
:I'll judge Weisbrod based on what he does here not what he's done in the past same thing I did with Gilman when he was hired.
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He joined the Flames after the 2011 draft, the 2013 draft shouldn't count as he apparently had little say. Basically only 2012. Jankowski picks looks bad so far, but the Sieloff and Gillies picks look just fine. As mentioned in this thread, he found Bartowski for Boston as a UDFA.
Wilch
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Sieloff is a terrible pick. He's an undersized (6'0) defender who put up 6 points in 60 games in the USHL prior to being drafted. His draft year +1 was played in the OHL, where he put up 11 points in 45 games played.
Those are awful junior numbers, and considering he's picked way ahead of other available defenders like Severson, who put up 52 points as a defender in his draft year, has 2 inches on Sieloff and is a few months younger, it's a **** pick.
Jankowski I don't even need to talk about. Just a brutal decision that really set the Flames franchise back.
Any one of Girgensons, Hertl, Teravainen, Maatta or even Laughton would shortened their rebuild significantly.
Those are awful junior numbers, and considering he's picked way ahead of other available defenders like Severson, who put up 52 points as a defender in his draft year, has 2 inches on Sieloff and is a few months younger, it's a **** pick.
Jankowski I don't even need to talk about. Just a brutal decision that really set the Flames franchise back.
Any one of Girgensons, Hertl, Teravainen, Maatta or even Laughton would shortened their rebuild significantly.
groovygoodwine
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HAHA, I imagine Weisbrod was laughing like this guy is at the end of his video, when he drafted Jankowski...
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