Post-Game Talk: Canucks 3 @ Habs 4 (OT) || *unintelligble yelling*

[Knight53]

This.

Does anyone else want to skip this season and just come back next year? It's painfully obvious that this is the case.

World juniors
Trade Deadline
Draft
FA

Only things to look forward to this year other than the young guns who barely play.

 

[Verviticus]

you're judging them through a weird framework. they have both done poorly this year 5 on 5. one of them kills penalties on a team with six penalty killing defencemen and one of them does powerplays on a team with 2.5 power play defencemen. weber has good metrics, sbisa has bad ones

we can realistically expect weber to be a player somewhere between his current self and the player he was last year (a top 4 defenceman) moving forward. we can't expect sbisa to be anything other than a #7

 

[Verviticus]

Better than who?.....the guy can't dislodge a pee-wee from the puck in his own zone, and if he isn't doing anything on the pp or on offense, then he's a huge liability....if the guy hadn't got hot at the end of last year and put up 10 goals on the pp I doubt the 'Nucks would even have re-signed him...it's a testament to how bad the blueline is that they had to bring him back.

better than the guy we were talking about. feel free to read the posts instead of four words

 

[Verviticus]

I don't even like Sbisa but Weber is ****ing awful, what's your point?





Oh my bad, that changes everything.

well.. its the most on the team from a defenceman and its not even 20 games in. one point does actually make a difference in judgement

 

[Peen]

you're judging them through a weird framework. they have both done poorly this year 5 on 5. one of them kills penalties on a team with six penalty killing defencemen and one of them does powerplays on a team with 2.5 power play defencemen. weber has good metrics, sbisa has bad ones

we can realistically expect weber to be a player somewhere between his current self and the player he was last year (a top 4 defenceman) moving forward. we can't expect sbisa to be anything other than a #7

good post

I don't even like Sbisa but Weber is ****ing awful, what's your point?

but he isn't awful. he's a bottom pairing pp guy that's had a bad start. over the course of a season, he's going to be more productive for the team than sbisa is. keep in mind, that even when healthy, sbisa played on the bottom pairing with hutton, while bart played the top four with hamhuis at even strength. with sbisa out, they've thrown weber into the top four role and moved bartkowski down.

 

[thepuckmonster]

It's too much if you want to basically bench them in the 3rd period.

I would like to see WD use the rookies more in prominent roles. Shinkaruk playing top 6 minutes wouldn't hurt the team IMO.

I can't disagree but Shink looked really good in a grinder role as a pure skill guy. I would love for him to move up.

Vrbata just makes it hard to make that happen. I want Sven to take his spot.

 

[Addison Rae]

reason why i like advanced stats: some peoples eyes tell them that Luca sbisa is good at ice hockey or even serviceable at the NHL level which is completely and utterly wrong.

 

[thepuckmonster]

good post



but he isn't awful. he's a bottom pairing pp guy that's had a bad start. over the course of a season, he's going to be more productive for the team than sbisa is. keep in mind, that even when healthy, sbisa played on the bottom pairing with hutton, while bart played the top four with hamhuis at even strength. with sbisa out, they've thrown weber into the top four role and moved bartkowski down.

Yes but 3 SHG on the first unit that are solely due to him is kind of ****ing awful.

I liked his skill set last year but he's been god ****ing awful this season.

If we were allowed to have 7 d dressed like the olympics I would probably have less gripes but I hate the idea of signing special team specialist that can't even tread water at ES.

Weber is bad this year. He wasn't bad last year. It's not that hard to get. He's been a fringe NHLer his whole career. I don't get the diehard marriedness to him when he's just as bad as the rest of our bad defensemen.

 

[CherryToke]

reason why i like advanced stats: some peoples eyes tell them that Luca sbisa is good at ice hockey or even serviceable at the NHL level which is completely and utterly wrong.

what do the nerd stats say about Weber?

 

[thepuckmonster]

reason why i like advanced stats: some peoples eyes tell them that Luca sbisa is good at ice hockey or even serviceable at the NHL level which is completely and utterly wrong.

He's not good at hockey but he's better at hockey than Weber.

Which is basically asking which is better: cutting off your arm or cutting off your foot.

They're both ****ing awful but at least Sbisa can PK. Weber can't hold a blue line if his life depended on it.

 

[Addison Rae]

what do the nerd stats say about Weber?

good last year, pretty good this year although he's been sheltered a lot.

 

[WTG]

what do the nerd stats say about Weber?

My nerdar is sensing that Weber as a offense defenseman is getting even strength offensive starts and has 0 even strength points.


So pretty bad from a production standpoints.

 

[Peen]

Yes but 3 SHG on the first unit that are solely due to him is kind of ****ing awful.

I liked his skill set last year but he's been god ****ing awful this season.

If we were allowed to have 7 d dressed like the olympics I would probably have less gripes but I hate the idea of signing special team specialist that can't even tread water at ES.

Weber is bad this year. He wasn't bad last year. It's not that hard to get. He's been a fringe NHLer his whole career. I don't get the diehard marriedness to him when he's just as bad as the rest of our bad defensemen.

yes, those goals against are awful. the post i made prior was that this isn't going to continue over the course of a season. generally these mistakes are spread over the year, but right now they're coming in bunches.

bolded is just false, false, and still false.

we aren't "diehard married" to him, but he's going to better for the team over the course of 82 games than sbisa is.

 

[Addison Rae]

He's not good at hockey but he's better at hockey than Weber.

Which is basically asking which is better: cutting off your arm or cutting off your foot.

They're both ****ing awful but at least Sbisa can PK. Weber can't hold a blue line if his life depended on it.

Weber can push possession and play on the PP (incredible last year) easy choice for me when you consider Weber makes half as much

 

[thepuckmonster]

My nerdar is sensing that Weber as a offense defenseman is getting even strength offensive starts and has 0 even strength points.

So he's an offensive defenseman PP specialist that is ruining the PP and can't do **** otherwise?

Waive him and let Edmonton put him in the top 4. Give Biega his minutes and save the province of BC a lot of money on BP medication.

 

[Addison Rae]

So he's an offensive defenseman PP specialist that is ruining the PP and can't do **** otherwise?

Waive him and let Edmonton put him in the top 4. Give Biega his minutes and save the province of BC a lot of money on BP medication.

last time I checked he was good on the power play last year, and alright on it this year.

 

[Verviticus]

He's not good at hockey but he's better at hockey than Weber.

Which is basically asking which is better: cutting off your arm or cutting off your foot.

They're both ****ing awful but at least Sbisa can PK. Weber can't hold a blue line if his life depended on it.

letting up a flurry of SHG in a small time frame screams "THIS IS NOT GOING TO KEEP HAPPENING". the dude hasn't been a PP liability in his entire career - you've gotta stop focusing on a week or whatever

look at even strength. weber's been on the ice for 5 GA in 13 games. sbisa's been on the ice for 8 GA in 11 games. sbisa's GF is 43%, weber 44.5%. im trying to use things that arent corsi because weber ****ing blows sbisa out of the water there and i assume you dont care (even considering their zone start differences)

 

[thepuckmonster]

Weber can push possession and play on the PP (incredible last year) easy choice for me when you consider Weber makes half as much

I get the salary argument but I'm finding it hard to support the "push possession" thing when he's literally been the opposite of what he's supposed to do.

He's not good, I don't give a crap what he makes and it gives me hearburn to watch him and Barts in the line up at the same time.

He's got a great shot but he's literally clueless on everything else. He's managed to make Hamhuis look worse than Hamhuis and Sbisa.

Cut him loose and promote Biega.

 

[aufheben]

My nerdar is sensing that Weber as a offense defenseman is getting even strength offensive starts and has 0 even strength points.


So pretty bad from a production standpoints.

Him and Raphael Diaz are literally the same player to me. They both look like offensive defensemen but never really produce like it.

His possession numbers aren't really impressive considering the zone starts he gets.

 

[Pip]

He's not good at hockey but he's better at hockey than Weber.

Which is basically asking which is better: cutting off your arm or cutting off your foot.

They're both ****ing awful but at least Sbisa can PK. Weber can't hold a blue line if his life depended on it.

Why you do insist on using Weber as a way to prop Sbisa up.

Sbisa is a terrible defenseman and has been since he's entered the league. He has shown little to no improvement over the years. Weber has shown the ability to put up points (and goals!) at a good rate while holding his own at even strength in a top 4 role. It may be that last year is the best year of Weber's career BUT I think, given how well he performed last season, he deserves more leeway.

He isn't playing well now, but he has in the past and therefore I have more faith in him bouncing back to at least a reasonable level of a third pairing PP specialist.

Him and Raphael Diaz are literally the same player to me. They both look like offensive defensemen but never really produce like it.

never?

he literally put up 11 goals last season.

 

[thepuckmonster]

letting up a flurry of SHG in a small time frame screams "THIS IS NOT GOING TO KEEP HAPPENING". the dude hasn't been a PP liability in his entire career - you've gotta stop focusing on a week or whatever

look at even strength. weber's been on the ice for 5 GA in 13 games. sbisa's been on the ice for 8 GA in 11 games. sbisa's GF is 43%, weber 44.5%. im trying to use things that arent corsi because weber ****ing blows sbisa out of the water there and i assume you dont care (even considering their zone start differences)

He's been up and down his entire career and has played forward for chunks of it.

He's not a good hockey player. Neither is Sbisa. I don't get this defending him of his stupid **** because "this is unsustainable". Anyone can look at him and see he has no idea what he's doing out there aside from point shots that go wide.

He's. Not. A. Good. Hockey. Player.

 

[alternate]

Pvr'd it and knew the results before I watched it. We didn't play as bad as I expected. Tbh, I hate blowing the leads but I'm happy with the results. Close games that have been pretty entertaining. Youth getting served --Hutton the goat on the 3rd goal, but you take the good with the bad.

My ideal season is the team playing a bunch of close entertaining games, being in the playoff hunt but just outside at the deadline so we sell off expiring contracts, then having the promoted youth lead a charge for the playoffs. These blown leads help all that happen.

Would prefer us tying the game in the 3rd though rather than us giving up the lead. But if blown third period leads provide a reason for changing coaches in the offseason, then maybe there's a silver lining.

 

[aufheben]

Why you do insist on using Weber as a way to prop Sbisa up.

Sbisa is a terrible defenseman and has been since he's entered the league. He has shown little to no improvement over the years. Weber has shown the ability to put up points (and goals!) at a good rate while holding his own at even strength in a top 4 role. It may be that last year is the best year of Weber's career BUT I think, given how well he performed last season, he deserves more leeway.

He isn't playing well now, but he has in the past and therefore I have more faith in him bouncing back to at least a reasonable level of a third pairing PP specialist.



never?

he literally put up 11 goals last season.

It was 21 points, Tanner Glass even hit like 16 once.

 

[Verviticus]

He's been up and down his entire career and has played forward for chunks of it.

He's not a good hockey player. Neither is Sbisa. I don't get this defending him of his stupid **** because "this is unsustainable". Anyone can look at him and see he has no idea what he's doing out there aside from point shots that go wide.

i dunno man, i dont think at this point you're capable of judging the guy fairly

assuming sbisa stays out for a while yet, i guess we'll see how it turns out

 

[thepuckmonster]

i dunno man, i dont think at this point you're capable of judging the guy fairly

assuming sbisa stays out for a while yet, i guess we'll see how it turns out

I cheer for any canuck that plays because I love the team.

Weber is a bad defenseman. That's what it is. Ideally he's a #7. I don't like him because he's ****ing. bad. at. hockey.