Confirmed with Link: Canucks’ COVID cases now over 20 (players, staff)

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Bad Goalie

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I've got a book for those who might be interested. It's title is:

"The Great Influenza"
The epic story of the deadliest plague in history.

The author is John Barry and it is available in both hard cover and paperback.

It is an in depth account of the 1918 Spanish Flu, which is also a misnomer. The series of events the behavior of the masses, the blaming, the scapegoating, the refusal to do what was necessary in a time without the medical advancements of today (which are not all that effective vs COVID19 with the exception of some later therapeutics which worked for some patients, but the Vaccines will be the saving grace), government failures, etc. so parallel the current world wide pandemic it is startling.
 

ratbid

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You're misinterpreting this. Canada is not using it as a primary virus control method. We are using it to buy time to get the vaccinations (ie vaccinations are the primary control method). Literally we are using it in the only way the article says to use it. The very first paragraph in your article:

“We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” Dr. David Nabarro said to The Spectator’s Andrew Neil. “The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.”

Like you didnt even have to scan to get to the answer. Nobody wants a lockdown. Nobody is saying they want to continue a lockdown. Everyone wants to be vaccinated and move on. We can not do that now. So to keep as many people alive, the Canadian government is using this to buy time. Exactly the way the FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE ARTICLE says to use these. At least read the things you link.
 

CpatainCanuck

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I've got a book for those who might be interested. It's title is:

"The Great Influenza"
The epic story of the deadliest plague in history.

The author is John Barry and it is available in both hard cover and paperback.

It is an in depth account of the 1918 Spanish Flu, which is also a misnomer. The series of events the behavior of the masses, the blaming, the scapegoating, the refusal to do what was necessary in a time without the medical advancements of today (which are not all that effective vs COVID19 with the exception of some later therapeutics which worked for some patients, but the Vaccines will be the saving grace), government failures, etc. so parallel the current world wide pandemic it is startling.

Sounds like a book worth reading. Not the deadliest plague in history though: that would probably be the Black Death of 1346-1353.
 

lousy

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I take it the word that offended you was "glorified", maybe even the concept of "glorified daycare".

If you drop the word glorified it's just daycare. No matter how you look at it from any angle top to bottom or even upside down school does substitute for daycare. The kids we hope are in a quality school, where they are receiving top notch education form dedicated top notch educators. You must know that is not true in all cases. There are rotten apples in all baskets and educators are no different and takes a little while to whittle the bad ones out. All schools are not equal either. However, we are not talking about the exceptions. We are talking about the good ones with the good teachers.

The kids of 2 working parents are with those "good" teachers for the better part of a full work day. Many of those "good" schools provide after school supervision for the kids until a parent picks them up after work rather than have the kids go home to an empty house until one parent gets home. Schools that don't provide that service send the kids home at the end of the school day. The kids that go to an unsupervised home are called latch key kids because they have their own key, let themselves into the house, and latch the door until Mom or Dad gets home. Some parents pay someone in the immediate neighborhood to take their kids in or some hire a person to come in and stay with them until a parent comes home.

Let me post this from this mornings paper. It comes from Associated Press reporter Christopher Rugaber:

"Nearly 2.5 million women lost jobs and stopped looking for work during the pandemic. In most cases, experts said, it was because so many children were suddenly stuck at home, going to school online, and THEIR PARENTS LACKED AVAILABLE or AFFORDABLE CHILD CARE (the caps. are mine). Better child care options or more flexible work schedules would be needed to fully reverse the trend."

Millions and millions of parents rely on the schools for the supervision of their kids while they are also being educated, fed, and kept safe. Minus the educating part this is child care. It is free. The Parents can work and bring all of their paychecks home and contribute the money to the funding the family budget.

When schools are closed the family budget takes a hit. NY state runs a 180 day school year. With school holidays and vacations it works out to a 40 week school year. This mean the kids are out for 12 weeks of summer. Families have to plan for how to deal with these weeks and still work. Some have family that takes care of it at no cost. Others have to hire someone to stay with the kids all day. That group loses money from the normal budget over the summer. Some families build that into the annual budget and set the summer money aside bit by bit so it's there to handle the summer outlay, but it has hit the weekly budget all year long. Unexpected days off create chaos for a lot of folks who are not good at planning for unexpected happenings:

Snow days! The following schools are closed due to today's snow emergency. S-H-I-TTTTTTTT! What are we going to do with the kids. It really becomes Hell when the snow emergency goes beyond that one day. Our school district in agreement with the Teacher's union plans for 10 snow days. If they are not used they fitted somewhere into the rest of the school calendar. Usually extending the single Memorial Day of into a longer number of days, usually the Friday before and the Tuseday after. Mild winter? Still more days? Late Easter? spread them evenly before and a after the scheduled days off.
Why not just attend school for the number of days that you didn't use? Most school unions go by the letter of the contract. The teachers work 180 days. The schools won't pay for the extra days and we (the teachers) don't work for free.

What about the unforseen events.
Phoned in bomb scares before school. School is closed.
Phoned in bomb scare during school. Evacuation and in many cases students sent home, particularly in inclement weather. Can't keep the kids standing out in the cold, snow, rain for hours while the police bomb squads search the school.
Shooting incident.
Practice for an active shooter on the premises.
Water main break. Against the law to hold school without running water.
Major power failure especially in the winter.
There are more.
Some parents literally go mad at these times. So many employers don't give a shit. Workers are not allowed to leave or if they do they are docked pay for the time they are gone.

So my upset friend, this discussion has never been about the schools, the dedicated teachers, the work they do, the work they carry home every night, the sacrifices they make, the low pay they receive when compared to individuals with the same level of education, at least a BA or BS + a Masters degree and for many extended Graduate work to stay on top of their fields. Lo and behold these hard working educated people who bust their asses to leave no child behind and try their damnedest to get every kid to reach his or her optimum potential are at the same time doubling as child care workers for the millions and millions of households with more and more 2 parents working to support the family. Glorified? No, not hardly. In the eyes of many not worth the money they are paid. There are a lot of people out there, TAXPAYERS, who have a say in only one tax bill they pay - SCHOOL TAXES, who whine, bitch, complain, and vote NO on school budgets because those lousy so and so teachers are after another GD raise. I wish every one of them had the same attitude you do as to the value of education and the teachers who provide it. It may be the most important job undertaken in every society on earth, the education of the future of the world.

WTF.

Yes the words "glorified childcare" to describe our educational system upset me. Our educational system is more than that. We have educated professionals teaching our youth, which is more than any daycare can offer. Also, I have already said I know that there are benefits to having children in school so that parents do not have to find other daycare options. I don't know what you are going on about. Take your rant to crazytown
 
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mriswith

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You're misinterpreting this. Canada is not using it as a primary virus control method. We are using it to buy time to get the vaccinations (ie vaccinations are the primary control method). Literally we are using it in the only way the article says to use it. The very first paragraph in your article:

“We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” Dr. David Nabarro said to The Spectator’s Andrew Neil. “The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.”

Like you didnt even have to scan to get to the answer. Nobody wants a lockdown. Nobody is saying they want to continue a lockdown. Everyone wants to be vaccinated and move on. We can not do that now. So to keep as many people alive, the Canadian government is using this to buy time. Exactly the way the FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE ARTICLE says to use these. At least read the things you link.
The article refers to using a lockdown when hospitals have been overrun and the workers are exhausted. That is not the case right now.

Any other reason for a lockdown, as per your quote, is invalid according to WHO, which according to this thread makes WHO conspiracy theorists.
 

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ratbid

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The article refers to using a lockdown when hospitals have been overrun and the workers are exhausted. That is not the case right now.

Any other reason for a lockdown, as per your quote, is invalid according to WHO, which according to this thread makes WHO conspiracy theorists.
That's not all what it says not what the WHO has said
 
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rypper

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17 Players and looks like 3 Coaches from other things I read so now number is at 20 for both players and coaches

Your list is missing the unnamed taxi squad players who have it, Drance's list accounts for them.
 
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