Confirmed with Link: Canes re-sign Van Riemsdyk (2 years, 2.3 per)

[What the Faulk]

Actually, it's about $500,000 too much. He's a 3rd pairing guy who can play up in a pinch. He has never put up more than 16 points. A good comparable is Matthew Benning for the Oilers. He's paid $1.9 million and that's after seasons of 15 and 21 points.

As I said, I like him, but I have no problem with the front office paying him based on his actual worth instead of some misplaced fear of losing him.

I think squabbling over 500k on a short term (probably) for a floor team is a little silly. If he comes in south of 3M, I'll be fine with it.

 

[Lempo]

The fact that this is a difficult signing is perplexing. We have three RHD ahead of him, hold his RFA rights, have a good 3rd pair right hand defensive prospect in the AHL waiting for an opportunity, and two more in the NCAA. What kind of leverage does his camp think he has?

He's got until July 5th to file for arbitration and get a fairish one year contract to gap it to the UFA status. The Club can't even elect the two year contract option like they usually could because of him reaching the UFA eligibility within a year. For the reasons you stated, there's no huge UFA contract for him with the Canes.

If the Canes aren't volunteering him a one year deal, it's a plausible route to go.

 

[spockBokk]

He's got until July 5th to file for arbitration and get a fairish one year contract to gap it to the UFA status. The Club can't even elect the two year contract option like they usually could because of him reaching the UFA eligibility within a year. For the reasons you stated, there's no huge UFA contract for him with the Canes.

If the Canes aren't volunteering him a one year deal, it's a plausible route to go.

Maybe he just doesn’t want to play here and his salary demands reflect that...who knows. It may work out for the team if he does get a 1 yr deal in arbitration, say something like $2.25M. He’s a decent enough defenseman, but he’s probably easily dealt at the deadline on an expiring deal, and it gives us an open spot to offer Fox. Mckeown should also be ready then too for 3rd pair minutes or at least, as the 7th d.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Maybe he just doesn’t want to play here and his salary demands reflect that...who knows. It may work out for the team if he does get a 1 yr deal in arbitration, say something like $2.25M. He’s a decent enough defenseman, but he’s probably easily dealt at the deadline on an expiring deal, and it gives us an open spot to offer Fox. Mckeown should also be ready then too for 3rd pair minutes or at least, as the 7th d.

This is very plausible. If they think Fox signs next year if TVR is gone and he’s promised a spot then they don’t look like complete asshats losing Fox for nothing.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Would you want to play for the Canes? I bet most of the free agents we didn’t sign didn’t want to come here in the first place. About the only “wanted “ guy we’ve signed in recent history is Darling.

Nobody wanted Semin, nobody wanted Kaberle, etc...

Until the Canes start winning and we have an ownership group willing to spend, UFAs aren’t likely to come here.

 

[NotOpie]

I think squabbling over 500k on a short term (probably) for a floor team is a little silly. If he comes in south of 3M, I'll be fine with it.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Teams that throw in the extra $500,000 here and $1 million there are the teams that eventually end up in cap trouble. It is also unnecessary salary inflation. As I said before, if we're going to throw in an extra 1/2 a million, I'd rather do it on Aho's or Teravainen's contract.

Until the Canes start winning and we have an ownership group willing to spend, UFAs aren’t likely to come here.

I agree with the former, but I think there's too little information yet for the latter. While we think we know that Hanifin's demands were out of line with what he offered, Lindholm's purported salary demands were budget and team killers. Should the Canes have given into his demands, one could have described it as a potential morale killer. And much like giving in to TVR's salary demands, it sets salary inflation in motion to a point where you end up paying guys like Leo Komarov $3 million or Ian Cole $4.25 million. This team simply can't afford that.

So if that makes UFAs unlikely to come here, then so be it. My sense is you give those players that have proven to be significant contributors any extra dollars that you might throw around. The tangential guys should get paid as such.

 

[What the Faulk]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Teams that throw in the extra $500,000 here and $1 million there are the teams that eventually end up in cap trouble. It is also unnecessary salary inflation. As I said before, if we're going to throw in an extra 1/2 a million, I'd rather do it on Aho's or Teravainen's contract.

It's highly unlikely that an extra 500k for TVR for 1-2 years is going to result in cap trouble. It's unnecessary hardball.

 

[tarheelhockey]

The absolute last thing I worry about as a Hurricanes fan is getting into cap trouble.

 

[Unsustainable]

The absolute last thing I worry about as a Hurricanes fan is getting into cap trouble.

Cap Floor Trouble though.

 

[emptyNedder]

Actually, it's about $500,000 too much. He's a 3rd pairing guy who can play up in a pinch. He has never put up more than 16 points. A good comparable is Matthew Benning for the Oilers. He's paid $1.9 million and that's after seasons of 15 and 21 points.

I think you can just as easily argue the comparable is Stephen Johns or Mark Pysyk. The former making 2.35M, the later 2.73M. Johns scored 15 points in his only full NHL season and Pysyk has 17 and 16 the past two seasons. TVR's agent (and all agents) needs to get his client a good deal. The team needs to be profitable and worry about the cap.

I think both sides win at 3 years/7M.

 

[Moosetache]

I think you can just as easily argue the comparable is Stephen Johns or Mark Pysyk. The former making 2.35M, the later 2.73M. Johns scored 15 points in his only full NHL season and Pysyk has 17 and 16 the past two seasons. TVR's agent (and all agents) needs to get his client a good deal. The team needs to be profitable and worry about the cap.

I think both sides win at 3 years/7M.

If I was Waddell I dont want that long a term on his deal. I guess you could always trade him, but dont even let Fox think he is going to have a hard time getting in the lineup.

 

[tarheelhockey]

dont even let Fox think he is going to have a hard time getting in the lineup.

Not sure I agree with that approach.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Not sure I agree with that approach.

Carolina has little to offer Fox unless an NHL spot is basically cleared out for him. Next offseason, he’ll have the choice of either (1) signing a three-year ELC with the Canes or (2) waiting a year, finishing his degree and then signing with a team of his choosing on a two-year ELC. Fox would earn up to a $92,500 signing bonus and be paid $70,000 if he were to spend the full season in Charlotte; Fox would essentially be passing up on $162,500 by going back to Harvard for his senior season.

It’s not a good precedent to set for future internal college prospects, but they don’t have much of a choice if they want to sign him.

 

[Lempo]

Carolina has little to offer Fox unless an NHL spot is basically cleared out for him. Next offseason, he’ll have the choice of either (1) signing a three-year ELC with the Canes or (2) waiting a year, finishing his degree and then signing with a team of his choosing on a two-year ELC. Fox would earn up to a $92,500 signing bonus and be paid $70,000 if he were to spend the full season in Charlotte; Fox would essentially be passing up on $162,500 by going back to Harvard for his senior season.

It’s not a good precedent to set for future internal college prospects, but they don’t have much of a choice if they want to sign him.

There's 2a and 2b options though: he can sign a 2 year deal in the spring with Canes so he gets to immediately burn the first year off that spring and go RFA after one full season.

Unless he wants to pick another team, that's a good option.

 

[Lempo]

Ditto with signing with Canes next spring instead of summer: take a spin on April ice and you got only 2 years to go on ELC.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Carolina has little to offer Fox unless an NHL spot is basically cleared out for him. Next offseason, he’ll have the choice of either (1) signing a three-year ELC with the Canes or (2) waiting a year, finishing his degree and then signing with a team of his choosing on a two-year ELC. Fox would earn up to a $92,500 signing bonus and be paid $70,000 if he were to spend the full season in Charlotte; Fox would essentially be passing up on $162,500 by going back to Harvard for his senior season.

It’s not a good precedent to set for future internal college prospects, but they don’t have much of a choice if they want to sign him.

We have seats in the press box. I’m sure they’re big enough for either TVR or Fox as a 7th defenseman. Those guys get NHL contracts too.

I don’t agree with clearing out a solid, veteran player in the prime of his career (TVR will be about 28 during the time period in question) so we can gift a college player a competition-free, long term spot in our top 6. It would be one thing if TVR sucked, but he’s been good for us. It would be one thing if Fox were a positively drool-worthy prospect, but he’s not that good that he can just walk onto an NHL team with no questions about his ability.

There has to be an option somewhere between letting Fox walk, and cutting TVR completely out of the picture.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

There's 2a and 2b options though: he can sign a 2 year deal in the spring so he gets to immediately burn the first year off that spring and go RFA after one full season.

Unless he wants to pick another team, that's a good option.

He could also sign next Spring, burn off a year of the ELC and be in the same position in July 2021.

However, that doesn't mean much if he doesn't have the bargaining power that comes with being an NHL defenseman.

 

[Lempo]

He could also sign next Spring, burn off a year of the ELC and be in the same position in July 2021.

However, that doesn't mean much if he doesn't have the bargaining power that comes with being an NHL defenseman.

He got bigger chance for being an NHL defenseman if he's signed though. Accidents do happen and of course some other team may want him as their NHL D-man more than we want him as an Checkers D-man.

 

[bleedgreen]

If Fox is hanging on a guaranteed spot being handed to him, he can peace out. Earn it or go somewhere else. Hard to see TD and his whole hard work mantra being ok with that anyways.

TVR is the better player right now, and should be kept. If the kid beats him so be it. If they want to leave the spot open for both Fox and Mckeown (and Martin for the matter) to battle it out I'm fine with that too - though making that battle for the 7th spot makes more sense.

 

[Lempo]

Do the guaranteed spots actually happen in reality? I know de jure the SPC says in writing that no other terms exist in writing, oral, implied etc. than those that read on the SPC, and an ELC says in its numbers section that it's a two-way contract of a non-waiverable player.

 

[StormCast]

The absolute last thing I worry about as a Hurricanes fan is getting into cap trouble.

I only worry about cap trouble when there's a hat trick and I'm wearing a favorite lid.

 

[Lempo]

I only worry about cap trouble when there's a hat trick and I'm wearing a favorite lid.

I try to imagine the pain of a NHL player who scores his third goal in a game and sees some dude in the audience who thinks his cap is soo fancy.

Would be fun if he got his Lord of the Rinks on and went full Gollum on the cap.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Do the guaranteed spots actually happen in reality? I know de jure the SPC says in writing that no other terms exist in writing, oral, implied etc. than those that read on the SPC, and an ELC says in its numbers section that it's a two-way contract of a non-waiverable player.

It’s not so much a “guaranteed spot” as the idea that we would actively cut away any player who looked better than Fox in order to give him an easy path.

 

[Lempo]

It’s not so much a “guaranteed spot” as the idea that we would actively cut away any player who looked better than Fox in order to give him an easy path.

When you put it like that I'm starting to feel the guy is a dick.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

When you put it like that I'm starting to feel the guy is a dick.

This is all speculation of course.

Put in his shoes and I'm sure the vast majority would be making a decision that is in their best interest, not the interest of an acquiring club. I wouldn't fault him if he leveraged his status for an opportunity to play at the NHL level.