Confirmed with Link: Canes re-sign Van Riemsdyk (2 years, 2.3 per)

[Moosetache]

I will be one of those to respectfully disagree with Big Daddy....I have no issues with the defensive mix. You aren't looking for a bunch of points from your third pairing, so lets say you get 30 combined, totally fine.

Hamilton gets 50, Slavin gets 30 (easily have more), CDH gets 25-30, Pesce goes for 20-25 (tho I think he is capable of more). There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

CDH is looked at as such a defensive guy, but he had 12 points in 33 games last year (roughly 30 point pace), and 25 points the previous year. You dont need every guy getting 50 points, they can do it as a group.

And the kicker here is, SOME OF THESE GUYS ACTUALLY PLAY DEFENSE!!!! So perhaps less goals against will also yield more wins. Fascinating I know....

 

[spockBokk]

The contract is fine; there isn't anything to complain about in isolation.

I just really don't like the stylistic mix that will result from it, assuming Faulk is the one that goes. Hamilton and 5 defensively oriented defenders is a step backwards for what was a near Bottom 5 offensive club last season. I may be alone on that, however.

Slavin probably takes over the 2nd PP, de Haan evidently has some pretty decent puck skills and Pesce is certainly not completely lost in the offensive end.

I think the term “defensive” defenseman is somewhat outdated in today’s NHL. Defenseman today better be able to make that first pass and to a degree be able too skate the puck out of trouble themselves. Sure, Hamilton is the only guy currently who could realistically put up 50pts, but Slavin is no slouch with back to back 30pt seasons. Pesce would have easily put up
25 or so last year without getting hurt, and de Haan was also on track for about 25 too.
TVR will sniff close to 20 and Fleury has some more potential for offense. And, Fleury could potentially lose his job to Bean, thus making the concern moot.

Our blue line is stronger than it’s ever been. Let’s hope Faulk nets us a decent top 6 forward and go from there...

 

[emptyNedder]

Slavin probably takes over the 2nd PP, de Haan evidently has some pretty decent puck skills and Pesce is certainly not completely lost in the offensive end.

I think Slavin or Pesce could be on second PP. I honestly believe both PP units will be much better. I think the first looks like:
Aho/Teravainen/Staal/Svechnikov/Hamilton.
Second unit:
Williams/Skinner/Necas/Zykov/Slavin or Pesce.

Staal is on the first PP mostly for his face-offs, though if the team can swing a Saad or RNH, then Staal could be moved to second unit. McGinn is not on either unit in my example, but he showed potential last season. So even if Skinner is moved, the second unit is superior to last season. I think the first unit could be much, much better with addition of Svech and Hamilton.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

I think Slavin or Pesce could be on second PP. I honestly believe both PP units will be much better. I think the first looks like:
Aho/Teravainen/Staal/Svechnikov/Hamilton.
Second unit:
Williams/Skinner/Necas/Zykov/Slavin or Pesce.

Staal is on the first PP mostly for his face-offs, though if the team can swing a Saad or RNH, then Staal could be moved to second unit. McGinn is not on either unit in my example, but he showed potential last season. So even if Skinner is moved, the second unit is superior to last season. I think the first unit could be much, much better with addition of Svech and Hamilton.

Swap Zykov with Staal and put his carcass in front of the net. While I get the Staal faceoff thing, he has neither the speed nor hands to even be in the same area code as the other 4. He should be nowhere near our #1PP.

With that change I have a feeling that #1 PP unit will be ridiculously lethal.

 

[HisIceness]

I'm fine with that. I think. If he can score more of those voodoo goals off the shaft of the stick like in the game at Vegas then that would be great.

That was him right?

 

[Roboturner913]

Good deal.

Slavin-Pesce
De Haan-Hamilton
Fleury-TVR

That's ****ing solid

 

[Roboturner913]

Trading Faulk probably just got a little bit tougher though. It's obvious the Canes don't want to go into the season with Faulk's salary on the books. It may turn into accepting a lesser player/pick in return for the cap dump.

 

[geehaad]

I'm fine with that. I think. If he can score more of those voodoo goals off the shaft of the stick like in the game at Vegas then that would be great.

That was him right?

Marcus Kruger

 

[HisIceness]

Well I guess this means we have to kill him

 

[Brock Anton]

Good deal.

Slavin-Pesce
De Haan-Hamilton
Fleury-TVR

That's ****ing solid

Ew.

Makes me long for the days of #1 defenseman Joe Corvo.

 

[Lempo]

He didn't happen to ask and get a NMC or NTC for the second year when he would be eligible for one? Did they bake into the AAV the fact that as pending UFA he'll be pretty obvious tradebait if he doesn't have one?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Trading Faulk probably just got a little bit tougher though. It's obvious the Canes don't want to go into the season with Faulk's salary on the books. It may turn into accepting a lesser player/pick in return for the cap dump.

I’m not sure about that. As we saw in the Duchene trade, where everyone knew he was being moved, the Avs were patient and got a good return. Player value is all supply vs demand. As long as more than 1 team on his 16 team list is interested, it should be easy to move him and get a decent return, even if it’s a month into the season

 

[MinJaBen]

I’m not sure about that. As we saw in the Duchene trade, where everyone knew he was being moved, the Avs were patient and got a good return. Player value is all supply vs demand. As long as more than 1 team on his 16 team list is interested, it should be easy to move him and get a decent return, even if it’s a month into the season

But we also saw Vegas load up on defenseman with the idea of cornering the market and then the market not being there for them. You obviously want to get a good deal in trading him away, but holding him has risks, too.

 

[Stickpucker]

But we also saw Vegas load up on defenseman with the idea of cornering the market and then the market not being there for them. You obviously want to get a good deal in trading him away, but holding him has risks, too.

The defense men in Vegas were considered more 3rd pairing guys before last off season and Theodore wasn't available.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

But we also saw Vegas load up on defenseman with the idea of cornering the market and then the market not being there for them. You obviously want to get a good deal in trading him away, but holding him has risks, too.

The defensemen Vegas picked sucked though. Not a surprise no one wanted a washed up Jason Garrison.

Faulk still carries a non-negligible amount of value throughout the league. I have a tendency to think he’s not going to get back to “pre-Malone” status, but his true value lies somewhere between that and what we saw last year.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Signing TVR doesn’t change anything. As an RFA who elected arbitration everyone would assume he’s on the team anyway so even if the D being crowded meant the return from Faulk would be less, the actual contract for TVR doesn’t change that.

 

[DaveG]

The defensemen Vegas picked sucked though. Not a surprise no one wanted a washed up Jason Garrison.

Faulk still carries a non-negligible amount of value throughout the league. I have a tendency to think he’s not going to get back to “pre-Malone” status, but his true value lies somewhere between that and what we saw last year.

Vegas had also been playing a bit of hardball with some teams leading up to the expansion draft and likely did a lot to prevent a lot of trades around the league in preparation for that (looking at you Marchessault) so I'm sure some teams, aside from guys that were legitimate solid players like TVR and Methot, weren't exactly in any kind of rush to help Vegas out of their situation by taking meh #6 dmen types off their hands knowing they'd have to be put on waivers at some point. Faulks still a better player then any of the ones that Vegas moved as an intermediary last year, the market for him isn't going to dry up.

 

[Svechhammer]

Once Karlsson is settled, the market for someone like Faulk, a poor man's lesser-Karlsson, should open up. He might actually be the best defenseman available, via trade or FA, once that whole thing settles out. If we play it smart, we should get a decent haul for him. And really, now that TVR is in, we pretty much have to trade him. We do have a logjam at D, and Faulk really is too good (and expensive) to be relegated to 3rd pairing duties.

 

[NotOpie]

While I get the sentiment about "too expensive for 3rd pairing duties" and have, at times, used slotting as justification, this seems a bit different. Last season our PP was bottom 1/3 in the league. I think the team would be happy to see Faulk get some better defensive match ups while using his booming point shot on the 2nd PP unit. To me the better argument would be a "$$ per point" discussion.

 

[Unsustainable]

Wonder if Faulk for Patches would work, Skinner for futures.

Patches - Aho - TT
Ferland - Necas - Svechnikov
Zykov - Staal - Williams
Martinook - Rask - McGinn

FNS line would take 3rd Line duties for mismatches till the rookies are ready

 

[SlavinAway]

Wonder if Faulk for Patches would work, Skinner for futures.

Patches - Aho - TT
Ferland - Necas - Svechnikov
Zykov - Staal - Williams
Martinook - Rask - McGinn

FNS line would take 3rd Line duties for mismatches till the rookies are ready

The only way I’m interested in Patches is if he signs an extension as part of the deal or else you’ve got Skinner 2.0 situation on your hands; and with a signing I’m concerned about term.

I would much prefer to get someone a little younger with a few years left on their contract; my two favorites are Nino and Zucker.

I’m probably a little overly optimistic but I’m picturing Necas and Svech (Svech in particular) really hitting the ground running and being very productive in a “3rd line” role like you’ve described.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

While I get the sentiment about "too expensive for 3rd pairing duties" and have, at times, used slotting as justification, this seems a bit different. Last season our PP was bottom 1/3 in the league. I think the team would be happy to see Faulk get some better defensive match ups while using his booming point shot on the 2nd PP unit. To me the better argument would be a "$$ per point" discussion.

Not a popular opinion, but I agree. The Canes haven't had a Top 10 PP this decade. With Teravainen - Hamilton - Aho on one unit and Necas - Faulk - Svechnikov on the other with a combination of Staal, Rask, Ferland, Zykov, Williams and potentially Skinner filling out the remaining spots, the talent is there to have a good PP for a change.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I wouldn't mind keeping Faulk around for PP and sheltered duties to see if he can rebound, get his confidence up, or something like that. But SOMEONE will be the odd-man out on the RH side. I'm guessing TVR didn't sign a new contract >$2M with intentions of being #7 I'd bet. Unless Fleury drops to #7 and someone plays on their off-side, it really does seem like someone has to go...eventually. Maybe it takes a few weeks/months into the season of rotating guys until either we have an injury or another team sees an injury and wants to acquire Faulk to replace them (i.e. Montreal with Weber). Certainly don't need to give him up for scraps, but at some point, I think someone has to go.

 

[StormCast]

With all the concern over the PP if Faulk is traded, it seems the answer is Hamilton. No, not Dougie. Bring back Jeff Hamilton to play the PP point. Problem solved.

 

[MinJaBen]

I wouldn't mind keeping Faulk around for PP and sheltered duties to see if he can rebound, get his confidence up, or something like that. But SOMEONE will be the odd-man out on the RH side. I'm guessing TVR didn't sign a new contract >$2M with intentions of being #7 I'd bet. Unless Fleury drops to #7 and someone plays on their off-side, it really does seem like someone has to go...eventually. Maybe it takes a few weeks/months into the season of rotating guys until either we have an injury or another team sees an injury and wants to acquire Faulk to replace them (i.e. Montreal with Weber). Certainly don't need to give him up for scraps, but at some point, I think someone has to go.

Does Fleury have to pass through waivers? If not, he could be sent to Charlotte and TvR could play his off-side on a third pair with Faulk. But if we think keeping Faulk for a year or two is the best option given the returns being offered, maybe moving TvR for picks next year and keeping Faulk as a 3rd pairing/PP specialist is not a bad bridge to Fox's signing and taking his spot (assuming Faulk has no intentions of resigning with us at the end of his contract).