WJC: Canada 2019 Roster Talk Part 2

[JackSlater]

I haven't liked the passive play from this team thus. A lot of soft plays, single efforts and lack of drive to force the other team to make mistakes. I can understand it in the Denmark game but not a close game against Switzerland. Of course this was an issue in certain games over the last two years, so we'll see how the team does in bigger games.

 

[Number 57]

Veleno can't play in the AHL next year, as he's too young - he either makes the Wings or goes back to the QMJHL.

He was in the Q at 15, meaning he can play in AHL at 19

 

[WonderTwinsUnite]

He was in the Q at 15, meaning he can play in AHL at 19

Christ, I completely forgot he was an exceptional status player. My bad.

 

[Antropovsky]

No question about it, Scott is the higher risk goalie to run with if you’re hunter. Dipietro is the consensus better prospect for a longer period of time and for that reason if team canada loses and dipietro is partly to blame, Hunter will take much less backlash should the same happen but with Scott.

I’m not arguing whether Scott is better than dipietro... he very well could be, and very well could not be. Only time will tell.

Point is, if your the coach, in a short tourney... you go with the safe bet rather than the risky. At least to start. Hunter made his choice before Scott got his second start... for that reason he is either going for the safe bet or the goalie that has performed better during his eye test, be it practise or the few games or any junior games he has watched.

I don’t blame him for it.

Scott would have to have been flawless and sensational in the few starts for hunter to have chosen otherwise.


off topic question...Was Woll a surprise pick over Oettinger last year, or were they 59/59? Oettinger was a much higher draft pick.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Mcissacc, Dobson and Brook showed well.. just need Smith to quit throwing no look passes in the middle of the ice.

One bad pass in two games..otherwise his puck distribution has been near perfect and by far the best on Canada's blueline. Smith has his downfalls that may catch him at the next level like speed and lack of shot but at this level he is very effective.

 

[tiny103]

Scott would have to have been flawless and sensational in the few starts for hunter to have chosen otherwise.

Is it official that DiPietro will be starting moving forward?

edit: Oh sorry, totally missed the announcement - see it on twitter/tsn

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[bert]

One bad pass in two games..otherwise his puck distribution has been near perfect and by far the best on Canada's blueline. Smith has his downfalls that may catch him at the next level like speed and lack of shot but at this level he is very effective.

One bad pass in two games?... He had 3 alone in the first 27 minutes last night.

 

[hockey20000]

tim hunter Is talking to public to much he's making it about him.. I don't think think he's a good coach could of picked so many other guys to coach this team. 2 games in and I can't stand hunter lol

 

[JackSlater]

Yeah I don't understand the point of Hunter saying this to the public. Similar to all but revealing that Lafreniere was the one to be cut if Vilardi had been healthy. I doubt it helps Lafreniere, but it seems to slightly put over that Tim Hunter has his eye on his youngest, and thus expected by TSN to be worst, player.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

One bad pass in two games?... He had 3 alone in the first 27 minutes last night.

3 that were turnovers leading to scoring chances against? I only seen the one

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

From iceberg sports

 

[bert]

Yeah I don't understand the point of Hunter saying this to the public. Similar to all but revealing that Lafreniere was the one to be cut if Vilardi had been healthy. I doubt it helps Lafreniere, but it seems to slightly put over that Tim Hunter has his eye on his youngest, and thus expected by TSN to be worst, player.

Terrible coaching startegy, beat the 17 year old down to no confidence. If an injury happens he will have to use him. Kinda unbelievable if you think about it. However its not suprising at all given who the coach is.

 

[PWJunior]

Terrible coaching startegy, beat the 17 year old down to no confidence. If an injury happens he will have to use him. Kinda unbelievable if you think about it. However its not suprising at all given who the coach is.

They mentioned on the broadcast that Hunter is amazingly and surprisingly forthright in his interviews. He answers every question and he essentially reveals exactly what he said to each player if you ask him. In that sense, I can understand why he said these things yet I don't think going for an uppercut was warranted. Maybe this is his way of lighting a fire under LaFreniere's butt?

It will be interesting to see how LaFreniere responds, if he plays well then that would be your answer right there. All of a sudden Hunter looks like a genius and is praised for being a great communicator, how the players like knowing exactly where they stand. If what you describe happens, then Hunter deserves to get blasted. As the W's pile up though, isn't all forgiven? Just saying.

 

[wishywashy19]

Going to be a tough game today
Czech played well against Russia
Really need the power play
I think there is going to be some feisty play and lots of penalty and special teams need to shine,
Think about it,
Canada Pk sucks and power play sputters
Take Canada out with aggressive play

 

[JackSlater]

They mentioned on the broadcast that Hunter is amazingly and surprisingly forthright in his interviews. He answers every question and he essentially reveals exactly what he said to each player if you ask him. In that sense, I can understand why he said these things yet I don't think going for an uppercut was warranted. Maybe this is his way of lighting a fire under LaFreniere's butt?

It will be interesting to see how LaFreniere responds, if he plays well then that would be your answer right there. All of a sudden Hunter looks like a genius and is praised for being a great communicator, how the players like knowing exactly where they stand. If what you describe happens, then Hunter deserves to get blasted. As the W's pile up though, isn't all forgiven? Just saying.

I don't think that the issue is Hunter critiquing Lafreniere. It's more him then telling the media that he's been ripping Lafreniere. No need to coach through the media in this setting.

 

[bert]

They mentioned on the broadcast that Hunter is amazingly and surprisingly forthright in his interviews. He answers every question and he essentially reveals exactly what he said to each player if you ask him. In that sense, I can understand why he said these things yet I don't think going for an uppercut was warranted. Maybe this is his way of lighting a fire under LaFreniere's butt?

It will be interesting to see how LaFreniere responds, if he plays well then that would be your answer right there. All of a sudden Hunter looks like a genius and is praised for being a great communicator, how the players like knowing exactly where they stand. If what you describe happens, then Hunter deserves to get blasted. As the W's pile up though, isn't all forgiven? Just saying.

You can already tell he was struggling with his confidence. I have seen him trip over his own two feet more than once. He was instrumental on the cycle on the 2 to 1 goal. Why not build on that instead of throwing him under the bus to the media. Beating him down any further makes no sense. You can do it in a much different way behind closed doors. Wins pile up sure when youre on home ice with a stacked roster. They play alot of hockey in a short period of time. Running with 11 forwards will tire this team out he will likely need him at some point.

Keeps putting Ty Smith out there when he is a turn over machine. Dont see him getting ripped on in the media. Should hold all the players to the same standard. Picking on the youngest one who is struggling with his confidence is a joke imho.

 

[PWJunior]

I don't think that the issue is Hunter critiquing Lafreniere. It's more him then telling the media that he's been ripping Lafreniere. No need to coach through the media in this setting.

While I do agree with you, the media is going to ask him why he benched him in the last game. I don't agree with nuking the kid like he did, but stuff like this is going to come out when you're an open book to he media like he has been.

It's a short tournament and there is only one acceptable outcome for Team Canada in their minds. I would like to think TC knew what they were getting into when they named him the HC. If this is his way of getting the job done, then you have to live with it. If they win gold, he will be praised. If he doesn't, then he'll get ripped. There is no middle ground.

 

[bert]

While I do agree with you, the media is going to ask him why he benched him in the last game. I don't agree with nuking the kid like he did, but stuff like this is going to come out when you're an open book to he media like he has been.

It's a short tournament and there is only one acceptable outcome for Team Canada. I would like to think TC knew what they were getting into when they named him the HC. If this is his way of getting the job done, then you have to live with it. If they win gold, he will be praised. If he doesn't, then he'll get ripped. There is no middle ground.

So crushing the kids confidence to the media and potentially ruining the player for the rest of tournament is the best way to achieve the ultimate goal? Doesnt seem like it to me, sounds like a guy that wants to hear him self speak. Potentially has an underlying issue with skilled players because he was a grinder? Or maybe doesnt care for francophones? I mean why did it take so long for Comtois to be named captain? The entire situation screams ego to me.

Im sure people will freak out over this post but ive tried to run this situation over and over again in my head and i truly dont see any benefit to it. So i am just speaking my thoughts out loud. So either he is extremely stupid or there is something else behind it. I just cant wrap my head around it. No i am not francophone in the least just trying to figure out how or why anyone would think taking this stance would help the team win in any way. Atleast this early into the tournament. Maybe at the end to do it before one game but they havent even played a contender yet.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Keeps putting Ty Smith out there when he is a turn over machine. Dont see him getting ripped on in the media. Should hold all the players to the same standard. Picking on the youngest one who is struggling with his confidence is a joke imho.

Did you gloss over the numbers I posted, that's why Smith keeps getting put out. He is one of the best in the tourney in zone exits. When he is on the ice the puck is moved through him. When that happens you will make a few errant passes that a phillips doesnt make. Hughes has some ugly turnovers in this tourney too.

 

[bert]

Did you gloss over the numbers I posted, that's why Smith keeps getting put out. He is one of the best in the tourney in zone exits. When he is on the ice the puck is moved through him. When that happens you will make a few errant passes that a phillips doesnt make. Hughes has some ugly turnovers in this tourney too.

In my opinion those numbers get cancelled out by the turnovers he makes that are dreadful. When you said you only saw one then came back with a bunch of advanced stats means you clearly want to portray the player a certain way. He had 3 really bad ones. I couldnt believe how irresponsible he was with the puck and i looked at the time and it was 11:54 of the 2nd period. I said to my buddy wow you see that, thats his third one and the game isnt even half over. He said yup thats brutal.

 

[Gold Standard]

So crushing the kids confidence to the media and potentially ruining the player for the rest of tournament is the best way to achieve the ultimate goal? Doesnt seem like it to me, sounds like a guy that wants to hear him self speak. Potentially has an underlying issue with skilled players because he was a grinder? Or maybe doesnt care for francophones? I mean why did it take so long for Comtois to be named captain? The entire situation screams ego to me.

Im sure people will freak out over this post but ive tried to run this situation over and over again in my head and i truly dont see any benefit to it. So i am just speaking my thoughts out loud. So either he is extremely stupid or there is something else behind it. I just cant wrap my head around it. No i am not francophone in the least just trying to figure out how or why anyone would think taking this stance would help the team win in any way. Atleast this early into the tournament. Maybe at the end to do it before one game but they havent even played a contender yet.

He's a coach with his own agenda. check out tsn.ca/world juniors for your answer.

it kind of reminds me of Spott spouting off to the media in 2013. a dubious distinction.

and it's par for the course for 16-17 year old Canadian wunderkinds with Hockey Canada and the WJC.

 

[Blender]

In my opinion those numbers get cancelled out by the turnovers he makes that are dreadful. When you said you only saw one then came back with a bunch of advanced stats means you clearly want to portray the player a certain way. He had 3 really bad ones. I couldnt believe how irresponsible he was with the puck and i looked at the time and it was 11:54 of the 2nd period. I said to my buddy wow you see that, thats his third one and the game isnt even half over. He said yup thats brutal.

I also didn't see all these horrible turnovers you keep mentioning. He made some really risky passes along the offensive blue line that he needs to clean up, and one turnover that lead to a scoring chance against. When you move the puck as much as he was, there are going to be some turnovers. The numbers are also not "cancelled out" by turnovers, it's not even close. His successful transitions far outweigh failed ones.

Evan Bouchard who played by far the most minutes against Switzerland was awful for the second game in a row, constantly being caught out of position, caught up ice, missing zone coverage, etc. It's less obvious stuff than a few turnovers, but it's far worse defending than anything Smith has done. He's 19 though, so I expect Hunter to continue to roll him out for big minutes as that is what he said he was basing usage on before the tournament.

 

[Alberta Yote]

I also didn't see all these horrible turnovers you keep mentioning.

Neither have I.

As you mention he can clean things up but other than the one terrible no looker up the middle his ability to move the puck out of the zone has been a plus.

 

[jj cale]

He's a coach with his own agenda. check out tsn.ca/world juniors for your answer.

it kind of reminds me of Spott spouting off to the media in 2013. a dubious distinction.

and it's par for the course for 16-17 year old Canadian wunderkinds with Hockey Canada and the WJC.

please don't remind me of Spott, it's taken years of intense Tibetan meditation techniques to rid me of my ptsd concerning the guy.