Can we Realistically Strip the C From Phanuef?

[Schennanigans]

I don't think were in any position to say who or shouldn't be captain. We don't know what goes on in that dressing room. He may not be highly regarded by the fans but he may be in that dressing room.

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

i don't think it's fair to completely blame phaneuf.
phaneuf was a stud very early on in the season.
the main problem is that the leafs have way too many offensive defensemen shored up on the blueline. this forces carlyle to play phaneuf excessively. he's on the ice to protect leads, kill penalties, help produce the tying or go-ahead-goal. who else are the leafs going to put out on the ice to protect a lead in the third period? cody franson? i'm pretty sure if the leafs had someone on the team to eat minutes like boumweester or a vlasic, phaneuf wouldn't be chastised the way he is.

he's been overplayed and is now prolly burnt out.

Not even top 30 (32th) for TOI/G and he did not play in the Olympics. Yeah he must have really burnt out...

Is Leafs and the Leafs players the only ones some Leafs fans have any idea about?

 

[KPower]

It's not happening.

He's the captain for the next 7 years.

Let that sink in.

 

[Durrr]

All of the stupid in this thread hurts my brain.

It's almost like people think Dion is going somewhere.

 

[cookie]

Are you kidding? or are you serious?

Bozo a captain?

WOW

One player has choked in must-win games, the other hasn't.

That isn't to say Bozak should be captain but Phaneuf's play leaves a lot to be desired. For one, while watching him take the faceoff I wondered, can be even bend forwards? Or even his knees? It might help him win net front battles against powerful scorers like Steen and the like.

 

[cookie]

i don't think it's fair to completely blame phaneuf.
phaneuf was a stud very early on in the season.
the main problem is that the leafs have way too many offensive defensemen shored up on the blueline. this forces carlyle to play phaneuf excessively. he's on the ice to protect leads, kill penalties, help produce the tying or go-ahead-goal. who else are the leafs going to put out on the ice to protect a lead in the third period? cody franson? i'm pretty sure if the leafs had someone on the team to eat minutes like boumweester or a vlasic, phaneuf wouldn't be chastised the way he is.

he's been overplayed and is now prolly burnt out.

Yep. His role's been usurped by Franson. It would be amazing to clone Gunnarsson and put him in the slot Franson leaves when he's booted out.

 

[Teeder9]

I can't help but laugh at the thought we can't take something from a hockey player. Is he a baby? Does he need a diaper change? Maybe someone to hold his hand? Take the thing from him. If he cries trade his ass. The idea that somehow we need to worry about what other players would think signing here when anyone with any sort of winning spirit would look at this team as doing what it takes to rid itself of dead weight and be happy they wouldn't have to put up with **** like that. Ever think that maybe the fact we never do that is why we can't lure great free agents?

 

[DaveT83*]

Honestly this team has all the dysfunction on the ice - but where is it off the ice?

I want to see fights at practise.
I want to see teammates publicly calling each other out (Reimer gets a ton of respect for doing it earlier in year)


After the games its all fun and games. Ping Pong. Xbox. Parties.
Management/Ownership appears to be 100% OK with this. So I can't really blame certain characters for relishing in this role. Honestly these guys aren't even taking advantage of anyone. Their paid HUGE amounts of money have zero accountability. Have total JOB SECURITY.

If you aren't interested in winning, evolving, perfecting your craft - this is a dream situation for any employee in any industry.

Changing the Status Quo would mean giving up all these freedoms. The players on this roster aren't going to just get up one day and collectively decide they will change it. Never gonna happen.

 

[34]

TRADED is what needs to be done!

 

[Anth93]

Nope. 7 more years.

 

[showtime8]

Jay McClement would be the only guy that I give the C to.

He gives you a consistent effort and you trust him in mostly all situations.

It doesn't matter if he isn't your best player, the point of the captain is to lead by example.

 

[AustonMitchWilly]

Jay McClement would be the only guy that I give the C to.

He gives you a consistent effort and you trust him in mostly all situations.

It doesn't matter if he isn't your best player, the point of the captain is to lead by example.

Tyler Bozak and Carl Gunnarrsson exhibit these traits as well and its unarguable.

 

[DintedGarageDoor]

Phaneuf will remain the captain until the Leafs trade away their future for the next one.

 

[yubbers]

It's not happening.

He's the captain for the next 7 years.

Let that sink in.

I'm officially done if hes back next year.

 

[frankthetank91]

Wait for this man who happens to become a FA on the 50th anniversary of our last cup win.

#saviour

 

[johnny_rudeboy]

I'm officially done if hes back next year.

Me to. But then again...

 

[Durrr]

I'm officially done if hes back next year.

Might as well go away now then, he'l be back 100%.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Brian Burke had said plenty of times that Phaneuf was an instant hit in the locker room and brought a fresh voice to the team when he was acquired. He had also said Phaneuf when he was still new was telling Burke what the team needed to be better, and that no player (including captains of any of his other teams) had ever done that to him before.

For a 24 year old at the time to show that kind of initiative to your GM, looking at his body of work in Calgary, and also his potential, what else could they have been looking for? It was the right choice at the time and I still believe it is today.

As for him being the worst player during this stretch? Where has Kessel been? Where has Kadri been? Lupul? Bozak? Kulemin? Clarkson? How about Bernier since being back from injury? I can agree that the St. Louis game was one of Phaneuf's worst games as a Leaf, but the entire team as a whole has been bad.

That's a terribly low standard for picking a captain. And he was telling Burke what we needed to get better? Well I guess that explains why this team has been so bad

 

[yubbers]

I'd normally agree with you. But Tim is a wildcard.

I needs to be done. Let's see how much testicular fortitude big bad Tim really has

 

[hoglund]

Title says is all... Can we, just like Roberto Louongo

Or is it a different situation here?

Thoughts?

I don't think "we" can, that's up to the organization. Phaneuf probably isn't the best captain, the C was kind of thrown at him before he even arrived in Toronto and there wasn't even a consideration taken. The C probably should go to JVR, but we can't do that, the Leafs have to.

 

[Durrr]

I'd normally agree with you. But Tim is a wildcard.

I needs to be done. Let's see how much testicular fortitude big bad Tim really has

He is but I don't see Nonis being fired this season, obviously it's possible but I think he has a season left to prove himself.

 

[Cor]

I don't want the C stripped off, i want him OFF the team. Remember, his new contract has not even started, if he is bad now, how would he be after 7 years ? 7 FREAKING YEARS

He isn't even close to "bad"

My god, this board is absolutely ridiculous right now....

 

[Durrr]

He isn't even close to "bad"

My god, this board is absolutely ridiculous right now....

I know lol, this thread specifically is filled with the worst type of posters all in one place. On the other hand, can't blame some people, this is a major collapse and people want change.

 

[Highlander23]

He isn't even close to "bad"

My god, this board is absolutely ridiculous right now....

He isn't close to ''good'' either !! Stop being narrow minded (not you) if Dion is the leafs best Dman, then get ready to suck for at least the next 7 years

 

[613Leafer]

JVR and Bozak IMO come across as possibly the best "leaders" on the team. They both seem to handle the media pretty well, don't seem to get as frustrated as some other guys. Lupul to a certain extent as well, but I want that guy traded so it don't matter anyways

As for actually stripping the C? It's very rare. Marleau had his C taken away and he stayed on the team. That was in an obscure SJ market though, here it would be a media frenzy.