Can we discuss about the elephant in the room ? (Carey Price's play)

[Kriss E]

As bad as anybody want to say he is..I just cannot judge him when his top Dmen are Petry and Alzner..Benn..Schlemko..Mete..Juulsen....Holy crap balls man, that's barely an AHL level D group.
There's bad...
There's terrible...
There's garbage...
Then there's our D group.

 

[Lshap]

Come here in peace. Im in a keeper hockey league, but the way it is, goalies can dominate (6-6). However, I have Price and he stresses me out. I love him but he hasnt been great lately. Got offered Johnny Hockey for him, as Habs fans, would you guys do it? I dont wanna cause I know Price is elite, top 1 goalie when on, but i also dont watch enough Habs games to know if he had a bad year or toast.

Thanks! Gl this season as well.

Price's last season was awful, so right now we're seeing signs of the apocalypse every time he allows a goal. Yeah, I'm nervous, but my brain says he'll bounce back; after all, last year was a weird year for other top goalies like Murray, Schneider, and Holtby during the season.

Would I trade him for Gaudreau? I'd play hardball and hold out for an added sleeper rookie.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I don't think Price will do anything resembling the earning of his AAV this year.

 

[PaulD]

Most people are like this, but there are a few on this board, that have gone way over board. The Habs have alot of issues, and have for years, but it always seem to be the goalies that bear most of the criticism.

For the 3 0r 4 years it has been bad management bearing most of the criticism. (rightly so) then coaching, farm team coaching, DD, Pleks (no number one center), too small, cant score, bad captain Alzner instead of Markov, Drouin etc etc etc......................the goalie has been way down the list on bearing criticism form what i can see. And rightly so.

 

[habsgirl5000]

As bad as anybody want to say he is..I just cannot judge him when his top Dmen are Petry and Alzner..Benn..Schlemko..Mete..Juulsen....Holy crap balls man, that's barely an AHL level D group.
There's bad...
There's terrible...
There's garbage...
Then there's our D group.

i don't care what the d or team is like.....when you are the highest paid goalie in the league you need to post at least a .920% and that is absolute minimum,

anything below that is a failure,

you cant have a goalie like niemi posting a .929 on the same damn team and then have price posting a sub .920 there isnt any excuse for it when he is paid as a top goalie......you cant blame the team, they are playing behind the same players,

elite goalies come up with the big saves one way or another, you cant keep shifting the blame off price,

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

As bad as anybody want to say he is..I just cannot judge him when his top Dmen are Petry and Alzner..Benn..Schlemko..Mete..Juulsen....Holy crap balls man, that's barely an AHL level D group.
There's bad...
There's terrible...
There's garbage...
Then there's our D group.

Haven't watched any preseason and I don't normally care about it anyway. But this post pretty much sums up our situation. It's an AHL level D and it killed him last year (not entirely the D's fault as Price had shaky stretches as well.) This season our forwards are almost as bad as our backend.

No matter what happens this year his numbers are going to be inflated with the team in front of him. We should've dealt him already.

 

[PaulD]

I don't think Price will do anything resembling the earning of his AAV this year.

No he wont. Neither will any other goalie in the league. Thats 015-016 season was Hasek like.

 

[Kriss E]

Haven't watched any preseason and I don't normally care about it anyway. But this post pretty much sums up our situation. It's an AHL level D and it killed him last year (not entirely the D's fault as Price had shaky stretches as well.) This season our forwards are almost as bad as our backend.

No matter what happens this year his numbers are going to be inflated with the team in front of him. We should've dealt him already.

Ya, his contract extension was so short sighted. I've said this many times, its unacceptable that any HF poster can see further than Bergevin. A real joke.

 

[PaulD]

i don't care what the d or team is like.....when you are the highest paid goalie in the league you need to post at least a .920% and that is absolute minimum,

anything below that is a failure,

you cant have a goalie like niemi posting a .929 on the same damn team and then have price posting a sub .920 there isnt any excuse for it when he is paid as a top goalie......you cant blame the team, they are playing behind the same players

MB gave him a stupid contract.

Price will not or cannot up his play based on what his bank account says.

He is no different than Holtby, Murray, Quick.....he can have a bad season. He can also have an incredible season. His pay cheque wont change that.

Price got the contract based on how he has played....not how he is going to play. Hart trophy? 10 mill a year. Too much for a goalie? Yep. Too much for an elite number one centerman? No.

Only one GM has ever paid a goalie over 9 mill.

 

[habsgirl5000]

Haven't watched any preseason and I don't normally care about it anyway. But this post pretty much sums up our situation. It's an AHL level D and it killed him last year

then explain why the AHL level D didn't kill Niemi last year?

why was niemi able to post a .929 and price couldn't ?

the excuse of "blame the defense for Price's poor play" just doesn't hold any water,

Price finished 70th in the league in SV% let that sink in,

that means every other starter in the WHOLE LEAGUE was better then him......and most backup golaie ALSO!

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

then explain why the AHL level D didn't kill Niemi last year?

why was niemi able to post a .929 and price couldn't ?

the excuse of "blame the defense for Price's poor play" just doesn't hold any water

Niemi played some of the best hockey of his life in limited play last year. If he can do that consistently over the next few years then he'll be considered one of the best goalies in the league. But he won't.

It's happened before and it will happen again. Goalies can get hot. But goalies who are consistently great are hard to find. What made Price so valuable up until last season was that he could be counted on year in and year out even behind weak teams. There's no doubt he was very inconsistent last year and can and should play better. But the D we have now is horrific. He has no confidence in that D and it's hurt his play.

Bottom line is that even if he puts up stellar numbers, it doesn't help us. If he plays poorly, it hurts his trade value. It's lose lose with him now and that's why we should've dealt him already.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

MB gave him a stupid contract.

Price will not or cannot up his play based on what his bank account says.

He is no different than Holtby, Murray, Quick.....he can have a bad season. He can also have an incredible season. His pay cheque wont change that.

Price got the contract based on how he has played....not how he is going to play. Hart trophy? 10 mill a year. Too much for a goalie? Yep. Too much for an elite number one centerman? No.

Only one GM has ever paid a goalie over 9 mill.

I was fine with the contract.

What I'm not fine with is how we've ruined the club in front of him.

 

[Genesis76]

I play goalie, yes we are often asked to repair a teamates mistake but man sometime there is 0 chances of stoping a puck. Matthews goal was almost impossible to stop unless a goalie cheats and stands up facing Matthews which would leave Marner with an half open net. The Marleau goal was a give away by a habs right in front of the net where 2 Leafs players are basically left alone to make a cross pass for an uncontested shot.

Im sure all the fans complaining would have made that save right?

Price will always be the one to be blame like scherback will be blamed by RDS and like Galchenyuk prior to that.

Good for you that you're a goalie but it means absolutly nothing here and it doesn't validate your opinions.

 

[odishabs]

I could be wrong, but all the Price doubt reminds me of when Vancouver was running Luongo out of town and he's still a good starter in this league. Give Carey a chance to bounce back.

With that being said we can't give him the excuse of "Look at the D in front of him, it's brutal". When you're the highest paid Goalie of all time, it should not be expected to put a bunch of Norris winners in front of him for Carey to perform.

 

[NotProkofievian]

I could be wrong, but all the Price doubt reminds me of when Vancouver was running Luongo out of town and he's still a good starter in this league. Give Carey a chance to bounce back.

With that being said we can't give him the excuse of "Look at the D in front of him, it's brutal". When you're the highest paid Goalie of all time, it should not be expected to put a bunch of Norris winners in front of him for Carey to perform.

Price supporters: ''Of course Price is worth 10.5 million dollars. He's worth whatever you pay him. He's capable of single handedly bringing us to 100 point seasons and conference finals!''

Also Price supporters: ''It's not his fault he was quite possibly the worst goaltender in the NHL last year, look at his defence!''

 

[WeThreeKings]

Haven't watched any preseason and I don't normally care about it anyway. But this post pretty much sums up our situation. It's an AHL level D and it killed him last year (not entirely the D's fault as Price had shaky stretches as well.) This season our forwards are almost as bad as our backend.

No matter what happens this year his numbers are going to be inflated with the team in front of him. We should've dealt him already.

Whoa calm down. Don't say AHL and D in the same sentence. You'll get crucified for the notion that two very young defenceman could possibly need to be in the AHL.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Price supporters: ''Of course Price is worth 10.5 million dollars. He's worth whatever you pay him. He's capable of single handedly bringing us to 100 point seasons and conference finals!''

Also Price supporters: ''It's not his fault he was quite possibly the worst goaltender in the NHL last year, look at his defence!''

Price is absolutely not worth his contract. Anyone arguing that, I dunno what they are thinking.

What can be said is that it's pretty obvious he was gonna get that contract. He is the only reason Bergevin and Therrien looked competent for their tenure together. It just took a few seasons for MB to create a team so bad that Price couldn't even make it look competent any more.

Not worth his contract.
Should have been traded before his extension needed to be signed.
Understandable why Bargainbin signed him to it - he had no choice for the purpose of self preservation.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Price is absolutely not worth his contract. Anyone arguing that, I dunno what they are thinking.

What can be said is that it's pretty obvious he was gonna get that contract. He is the only reason Bergevin and Therrien looked competent for their tenure together. It just took a few seasons for MB to create a team so bad that Price couldn't even make it look competent any more.

Not worth his contract.
Should have been traded before his extension needed to be signed.
Understandable why Bargainbin signed him to it - he had no choice for the purpose of self preservation.

It's understandable why Bergevin signed him to that contract. It's because he's a moron.

 

[WeThreeKings]

It's understandable why Bergevin signed him to that contract. It's because he's a moron.

Yeah he's a moron and he knew if he lost Price that he would lose the buoyancy that kept him from the bottom of the league. Little did Bergevin know that he had way more incompetence to give and made a defense so bad that even Price couldn't keep it respectable looking.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Yeah he's a moron and he knew if he lost Price that he would lose the buoyancy that kept him from the bottom of the league. Little did Bergevin know that he had way more incompetence to give and made a defense so bad that even Price couldn't keep it respectable looking.

We would have been strictly better off with a random starter + the return from Price. Anyone could see this at the time.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

As bad as anybody want to say he is..I just cannot judge him when his top Dmen are Petry and Alzner..Benn..Schlemko..Mete..Juulsen....Holy crap balls man, that's barely an AHL level D group.
There's bad...
There's terrible...
There's garbage...
Then there's our D group.

are you comparing Mete/Juulsen/Petry (sometimes he is ) to an AHL roster ? do you know that no other teams in the league have a duo as good and as young as those two... 20/21 years old playing an AMAZING camp.

what are you even saying ? I get it that we have a terrible D corp, but don't bring down the good prospects with it.

 

[Kriss E]

are you comparing Mete/Juulsen/Petry (sometimes he is ) to an AHL roster ? do you know that no other teams in the league have a duo as good and as young as those two... 20/21 years old playing an AMAZING camp.

what are you even saying ? I get it that we have a terrible D corp, but don't bring down the good prospects with it.

Euh...no, I was talking about the entire squad.

 

[DAChampion]

It will certainly be bad, yet Chicago won the cup despite being saddled with Huet's and Campbell's contract. A terrible contract (If that's what it becomes) is not the end of the world.

Nothing is the end of the world. Why are you running to extremes? Does it not concern you that you need to rely on extremes in order to defend Price?

I'm discussing whether or not Price has positive or negative value to the team. While the Habs are tanking, that's a moot point. But for the remaining 5 or 6 years of his contract after that, Price will need to average a .925+ SV% in order to be worthwhile. If he doesn't, then he will be a negative value to the team.

And if he's in fact playing close to replacement level (i.e. ~.910 SV%) then he will be overpaid by 9.5 million dollars, and be a huge albatross. It's hard to see the Habs competing for a Cup within that context.

 

[BLONG7]

i don't care what the d or team is like.....when you are the highest paid goalie in the league you need to post at least a .920% and that is absolute minimum,

anything below that is a failure,

you cant have a goalie like niemi posting a .929 on the same damn team and then have price posting a sub .920 there isnt any excuse for it when he is paid as a top goalie......you cant blame the team, they are playing behind the same players,

elite goalies come up with the big saves one way or another, you cant keep shifting the blame off price,

This is the 1st year, for Price being the top earner for goalies.............1st year. Let's see where it goes. Personally, I know he had a bad year, but the team and the organization are far worse at what they do, than Price.

He carried an AHL team for a couple of seasons...................we can't score goals....so expecting Price to get shutouts, or only let 1-2 in is far from fair so to speak. He has a ton of room for improvement based on last year. Pretty easy to spot that...

 

[BLONG7]

Price is absolutely not worth his contract. Anyone arguing that, I dunno what they are thinking.

What can be said is that it's pretty obvious he was gonna get that contract. He is the only reason Bergevin and Therrien looked competent for their tenure together. It just took a few seasons for MB to create a team so bad that Price couldn't even make it look competent any more.

Not worth his contract.
Should have been traded before his extension needed to be signed.
Understandable why Bargainbin signed him to it - he had no choice for the purpose of self preservation.

Our goalie covered over alot of the issues...over and over, and even Molson was fooled into giving extensions to people who did NOT deserve them, and gave them out way too soon also.