Lunatik
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When you grow up on larger ice its easier to adjust. Which was my entire pointI'm just saying he's far more used to North American ice in recency bias.
When you grow up on larger ice its easier to adjust. Which was my entire pointI'm just saying he's far more used to North American ice in recency bias.
After one game, which is tough:
Giordano
Brodie
Hanifin
Hamonic
Andersson
Valimaki
Stone
Kulak
Prout
Kylington
That all said, Kulak and Stone were a good pair last year and just struggled mightily in one game. Valimaki has come as advertised and has the overall best D in the 4 NA games.
Literally spots 5-8 could change any rank during preseason.
Gudbranson makes more than Ekholm let that sink in.
So if Valimaki continues to be in his current position at the end of the pre-season, does that mean:
Giordano-Brodie
Hanifin-Hamonic
Valimaki-Stone/Andersson?
Andersson over Juuso, toss up goes to the guy making 3x more money in Stone after.
Juuso won’t be hurt from a year in Stockton. But he can make this team.
Valimaki reminds me of Kulak so far. Completely unnoticeable (can be a good thing) except for when he gets burned every now and then. He could use a year in Stockton
I hope Juuso is top pairing in the A then.
I personally don't see a lot that separates him and Kylington at this point. Andersson looks head and shoulders above both so farIn two preseason games the guy has 3 points, positive possession and logging a tonne of minutes. His game is quiet. He’ll get beat by an NHLer like he did tonight. Easy to forget the kid’s 19 years old still.
Kylington had a good game. A couple of mistakes but was largely better than Valimaki tonight. Both will likely spend the year in Stockton though.I haven’t watched any of the Calgary games, but disappointing to hear about Kylington. I really thought he was going to show some maturity in his game.
I agree, but I suspect Kylington's moved at the deadline though. I think we will move Kylington+ for a deadline acquisition as I see Valimaki surpassing him this year and Andersson & Kulak still being ahead of him. Since he'll be waiver eligible next year, I think he'd be a logical prospect to move to a rebuilding team.Both will likely spend the year in Stockton though.
I think Kulak's days are numbered as a Flame. Our depth on the left side becomes decimated if we move Kylington tooI agree, but I suspect Kylington's moved at the deadline though. I think we will move Kylington+ for a deadline acquisition as I see Valimaki surpassing him this year and Andersson & Kulak still being ahead of him. Since he'll be waiver eligible next year, I think he'd be a logical prospect to move to a rebuilding team.
If Kylington isn't NHL ready by the deadline.... and I don't mean he looks okay, but ready to be a contributor on a team that we think can contend soon. Then we have to trade him or risk him on waivers. I'd rather trade him and sign a replacement in the offseason.I think Kulak's days are numbered as a Flame. Our depth on the left side becomes decimated if we move Kylington too
I think management would love for him to take that spot from Kulak so they could let him go in the offseason or even ship him off for a late pick. It's now up to him to have a monster season like Andersson did.If Kylington isn't NHL ready by the deadline.... and I don't mean he looks okay, but ready to be a contributor on a team that we think can contend soon. Then we have to trade him or risk him on waivers. I'd rather trade him and sign a replacement in the offseason.
I think Kulak will be far and away a better NHL player. It would be great if Kylington magically grew a brain, but I don't foresee that happening.I think management would love for him to take that spot from Kulak so they could let him go in the offseason or even ship him off for a late pick. It's now up to him to have a monster season like Andersson did.
I was thinking he had just 1 more season of waiver eligibility, him turning pro at 18 confused me in that regard. But you are correct, he is still waiver exempt for this season and next, so I would not trade him as easily.I suspect if they're in a position to make a move, they'll look at Kulak first, especially with Andersson right there. With Kylington, there's still another year of cost controlled waiver exemption status after this one while Kulak is just coming off an almost contentious negotiation to get a one year deal.
But unless the Flames are running away with the division, and even then, I don't Treliving makes an 'all in' type of move at the deadline. It's too soon. Just one or two depth deals to add maybe an extra top nine veteran forward or more depth on defense and neither of those should be too expensive.
In two preseason games the guy has 3 points, positive possession and logging a tonne of minutes. His game is quiet. He’ll get beat by an NHLer like he did tonight. Easy to forget the kid’s 19 years old still.
I get that three points are nice, but I don't know if any of his points were especially sustainable/repeatable going into the season, maybe the Phillips goal I guess. One of those points was Valimaki taking a shot from the blue line and having it blocked, only for Dube to corral it and score from the high slot. Another was a garbage empty net goal after the Canucks basically throw the puck away and quit playing.
And I find it weird you have Valimaki so high yet Kylington dead last while noting Valimaki has "positive" possession in these two games.
Kylington
58.07% CF (+7.29% Rel)
62.32% FF (+13.09% Rel)
63.54% SCF (+20.24% Rel)
Valimaki
50.42% CF (-5.43% Rel)
47.46% FF (-11.55% Rel)
46.79% SCF% (-7.59% Rel)
I think Kylington was more effective overall, but people see him make one fancy play at the offensive blue line and the narrative is already written with him. I saw Kylington do some especially impressive things, like outmuscling Alex Chiasson for the puck, and generally being steady and using his feet and skills to keep the game flowing. I don't think he was as good as he can be of course, in fact I thought he was much better last year in preseason on the offensive side of things, but having him dead last behind guys like Prout/Stone is just baffling.
I get that three points are nice, but I don't know if any of his points were especially sustainable/repeatable going into the season, maybe the Phillips goal I guess. One of those points was Valimaki taking a shot from the blue line and having it blocked, only for Dube to corral it and score from the high slot. Another was a garbage empty net goal after the Canucks basically throw the puck away and quit playing.
And I find it weird you have Valimaki so high yet Kylington dead last while noting Valimaki has "positive" possession in these two games.
Kylington
58.07% CF (+7.29% Rel)
62.32% FF (+13.09% Rel)
63.54% SCF (+20.24% Rel)
Valimaki
50.42% CF (-5.43% Rel)
47.46% FF (-11.55% Rel)
46.79% SCF% (-7.59% Rel)
I think Kylington was more effective overall, but people see him make one fancy play at the offensive blue line and the narrative is already written with him. I saw Kylington do some especially impressive things, like outmuscling Alex Chiasson for the puck, and generally being steady and using his feet and skills to keep the game flowing. I don't think he was as good as he can be of course, in fact I thought he was much better last year in preseason on the offensive side of things, but having him dead last behind guys like Prout/Stone is just baffling.