Buffalo Bills: Offseason - Free Agency: Trade for Antonio Brown is Dead

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  1. billsandsabres

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    how crazy would it be to trade back and then take hockenson? it sounds like he is a plus plus blocker in addition to being a good receiver. seems like an opportunity to help OL play and get the QB a reliable target all at once. is that crazy? am i overvaluing his blocking contributions?

    OL, which i think should be priority #1, seems to lack top end talent in the draft, no?
     
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    I have never been more in love with a TE prospect than I am with Hock. That being said, I just read a mock where he went at #7 to Jax, and honestly that wouldn't surprise me one bit. Once people really dig into his tape he will get touted as a generational prospect.
     
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    TE in round one doesn't interest me much. It seems like such a hit or miss position that is heavily dependent on scheme fit. Ebron and Vernon Davis were both supposed to be the next great thing and turned out to be just ok (though the longevity of Davis's career has been quite impressive). Meanwhile guys like Ertz, Gronk, and Kittle were all outside the first round. I think my preference for the position is (1) cut Clay; (2) draft a guy on day 2 or (more likely) day 3; and (3) sign Jared Cook to a big money one year deal. Can't imagine someone at his age gets any big longterm contracts, and we have the cap space to outspend almost anyone short term. Overspend one year for a capable starter.
     
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    Bills need to take Jonah Williams. Don't go for highlight talent or combine stats. Just take the dependable LT who can protect Allen for a decade.
     
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    I prefer the trade back and take a WR option, but it would be hard for anyone to criticize this move. Unless he ends up being a redux of the last first round tackle the bills took whose name was also Williams.
     
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    I want LITMAN on the Bills
     
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    i agree, williams is who i have been hoping they take. if he is gone by #9, would you take best available or try to trade back?
     
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    Nice to see one of the guys on the team training hard for next season. :)

     
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    Have to agree this makes a lot of sense assuming Cook takes a 1yr deal...
     
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    I thought Kyle Williams was retiring?
     
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    IIRC, Gronk dropped because of concerns over his knee / surgery.
     
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    I don't really like this year's 1st round WR class. I'd rather go into that class in 2nd and/or 3rd rounds.
     
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    Use free agency to sign veteran linemen. Use the draft early to get skill guys and deep to build depth in both trenches
     
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    I partially agree with this, I wouldn't draft WR in the 1st round either, but it's not because I don't like the class. It's the opposite with me, with the evolution of high volume passing attacks I think the volume of capable WRs each year exceeds the demand. Good technique and nuanced route running are nearly impossible to evaluate with many of these guys, so that's why you're as likely to hit on a Michael Thomas or Smith-Schuster in the 2nd or 3rd round as you are in the 1st. In fact, since the 2014 draft, mid round WRs have significantly outplayed their 1st round counterparts.

    I won't be upset if we draft WR in the 1st round, because it is a position of obvious need, but that's not how I would utilize my resources.
     
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    How valuable a draft commodity is a Welker/Edelman type these days? Asking for an Isabella...
     
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    2-7: Luke Easterling from The Draft Wire with Howard and Jeremy (10:47)
     
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    I also agree with this. I did a review of drafted WRs for Buffalo Rumblings a few years back. Teams are hitting on WRs in the back half of the first round as much as they are in the first half, and the impacts were the same (eg: teams were getting game breakers in the back half of the first round). 2nd round was not far behind.
     
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    Is that true? While I'm sure there's some names in the mid rounds that jump out, there's also likely some extreme duds. I'd be highly surprised if the numbers didn't bear out what's true at most positions: the higher you are drafted the higher your chance of being a competent NFL starter.
     
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    2019 NFL SCOUTING COMBINE
    See Who's Coming to the Combine
    Kyler Murray and Nick Bosa headline this year's combine invitees. See the complete list of draft-eligible players invited to this year's 2019 NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.

    The NFL released the list of players invited to the 2019 NFL Scouting Combine on Thursday. A total of 338 prospects are invited to attend the event, which will take place in Indianapolis from Feb. 26 through March 4:

    » Johnathan Abram, DB, Mississippi State
    » Paul Adams, OL, Missouri
    » Nasir Adderley, DB, Delaware
    » Otaro Alaka, LB, Texas A&M
    » Dakota Allen, LB, Texas Tech
    » Josh Allen, LB, Kentucky
    » Zach Allen, DL, Boston College
    » Bryson Allen-Williams, LB, South Carolina
    » Jeff Allison, LB, Fresno State
    » Azeez Al-Shaair, LB, Florida Atlantic
    » Ugo Amadi, DB, Oregon
    » Rodney Anderson, RB, Oklahoma
    » JJ Arcega-Whiteside, WR, Stanford
    » Ryquell Armstead, RB, Temple
    » Blessuan Austin, DB, Rutgers
    » Jake Bailey, K, Stanford
    » Zack Bailey, OL, South Carolina
    » Derrick Baity, DB, Kentucky
    » Deandre Baker, DB, Georgia
    » Corey Ballentine, DB, Washburn
    » Ben Banogu, DL, TCU
    » Alex Barnes, RB, Kansas State
    » Alex Bars, OL, Notre Dame
    » Cody Barton, LB, Utah
    » Jackson Barton, OL, Utah
    » Ryan Bates, OL, Penn State
    » John Battle, DB, LSU
    » Terry Beckner, DL, Missouri
    » Mike Bell, DB, Fresno State
    » Beau Benzschawel, OL, Wisconsin
    » Marquise Blair, DB, Utah
    » Kendall Blanton, TE, Missouri
    » Nick Bosa, DL, Ohio State
    » Kris Boyd, DB, Texas
    » Miles Boykin, WR, Notre Dame
    » Garrett Bradbury, OL, N.C. State
    » Tyre Brady, WR, Marshall
    » Jordan Brailford, DL, Oklahoma State
    » Nick Brossette, RB, LSU
    » A.J. Brown, WR, Ole Miss
    » Blace Brown, DB, Troy
    » Jordan Brown, DB, South Dakota State
    » Keenen Brown, TE, Texas State
    » Marquise Brown, WR, Oklahoma
    » Jake Browning, QB, Washington
    » Austin Bryant, DL, Clemson
    » Isaiah Buggs, DL, Alabama
    » Sean Bunting, DB, Central Michigan
    » Brian Burns, DL, Florida State
    » Ben Burr-Kirven, LB, Washington
    » Devin Bush, LB, Michigan
    » Emmanuel Butler, WR, Northern Arizona
    » Hakeem Butler, WR, Iowa State
    » Yodny Cajuste, OL, West Virginia
    » Shaq Calhoun, OL, Mississippi State
    » Parris Campbell, WR, Ohio State
    » Malik Carney, DL, North Carolina
    » Blake Cashman, LB, Minnesota
    » Hamp Cheevers, CB, Boston College
    » Demarcus Christmas, DL, Florida State
    » L.J. Collier, DL, TCU
    » John Cominsky, DL, Charleston
    » Te'Von Coney, LB, Notre Dame
    » Ryan Connelly, LB, Wisconsin
    » C.J. Conrad, TE, Kentucky
    » Byron Cowart, DL, Maryland
    » Jonathan Crawford, DB, Indiana
    » Xavier Crawford, DB, Central Michigan
    » Maxx Crosby, DL, Eastern Michigan
    » Jamal Custis, WR, Syracuse
    » Dennis Daley, OL, South Carolina
    » Davante Davis, DB, Texas
    » Deshaun Davis, LB, Auburn
    » Felton Davis, WR, Michigan State
    » Jamal Davis, DL, Akron
    » Nate Davis, OL, North Carolina-Charlotte
    » Ryan Davis, WR, Auburn
    » Jamel Dean, DB, Auburn
    » Michael Deiter, OL, Wisconsin
    » Lukas Denis, DB, Boston College
    » Andre Dillard, OL, Washington State
    » D'Cota Dixon, DB, Wisconsin
    » Johnnie Dixon, WR, Ohio State
    » Tyrel Dodson, LB, Texas A&M
    » Greg Dortch, WR, Wake Forest
    » Keelan Doss, WR, UC Davis
    » Ashton Dulin, WR, Malone University (Ohio)
    » Jovon Durante, WR, Florida Atlantic
    » Chuma Edoga, OL, USC
    » David Edwards, OL, Wisconsin
    » Mike Edwards, DB, Kentucky
    » T.J. Edwards, LB, Wisconsin
    » Emeke Egbule, LB, Houston
    » Bobby Evans, OL, Oklahoma
    » Noah Fant, TE, Iowa
    » Rashad Fenton, DB, South Carolina
    » Jaylon Ferguson, DL, Louisiana Tech
    » Jazz Ferguson, WR, Northwestern State
    » Clelin Ferrell, DL, Clemson
    » Mark Fields, DB, Clemson
    » Ryan Finley, QB, N.C. State
    » Nick Fitzgerald, QB, Mississippi State
    » Cody Ford, OL, Oklahoma
    » Jack Fox, P, Rice
    » Hjalte Froholdt, OL, Arkansas
    » Travis Fulgham, WR, Old Dominion
    » Lamont Gaillard, OL, Georgia
    » Greg Gaines, DL, Washington
    » Malik Gant, DB, Marshall
    » Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, S, Florida
    » Rashan Gary, DL, Michigan
    » Myles Gaskin, RB, Washington
    » Matt Gay, K, Utah
    » Zach Gentry, TE, Michigan
    » Joe Giles-Harris, LB, Duke
    » Kevin Givens, DL, Penn State
    » Dan Godsil, LS, Indiana
    » Terry Godwin, WR, Georgia
    » Carl Granderson, DL, Wyoming
    » Derwin Gray, OL, Maryland
    » Gerri Green, DL, Mississippi State
    » Donnell Greene, OL, Minnesota
    » Ethan Greenridge, OL, Villanova
    » Dre Greenlaw, LB, Arkansas
    » Will Grier, QB, West Virginia
    » Porter Gustin, LB, USC
    » Emanuel Hall, WR, Missouri
    » Nate Hall, LB, Northwestern
    » Terez Hall, LB, Missouri
    » Saquan Hampton, DB, Rutgers
    » Terrill Hanks, LB, New Mexico State
    » Chase Hansen, LB, Utah
    » Mecole Hardman, WR, Georgia
    » Kelvin Harmon, WR, N.C. State
    » Damien Harris, RB, Alabama
    » Will Harris, DB, Boston College
    » N'Keal Harry, WR, Arizona State
    » Montre Hartage, DB, Northwestern
    » Dwayne Haskins, QB, Ohio State
    » Phil Haynes, OL, Wake Forest
    » Daniel Helm, TE, Duke
    » Darrell Henderson, RB, Memphis
    » Nate Herbig, OL, Stanford
    » Karan Higdon, RB, Michigan
    » Justice Hill, RB, Oklahoma State
    » Trysten Hill, DL, Central Florida
    » T.J. Hockenson, TE, Iowa
    » Alijah Holder, DB, Stanford
    » Justin Hollins, LB, Oregon
    » Elijah Holyfield, RB, Georgia
    » Travis Homer, RB, Miami
    » Amani Hooker, DB, Iowa
    » Tytus Howard, OL, Alabama State
    » Albert Huggins, DL, Clemson
    » Lil'Jordan Humphrey, WR, Texas
    » Jalen Hurd, WR, Baylor
    » Mitch Hyatt, OL, Clemson
    » Alec Ingold, RB, Wisconsin
    » Andy Isabella, WR, Massachusetts
    » Martez Ivey, OL, Florida
    » Joe Jackson, DL, Miami
    » Mike Jackson, DB, Miami
    » Tyree Jackson, QB, Buffalo
    » Josh Jacobs, RB, Alabama
    » Andre James, OL, UCLA
    » CeCe Jefferson, DL, Florida
    » Jalen Jelks, DL, Oregon
    » Elgton Jenkins, OL, Mississippi State
    » Gary Jennings, WR, West Virginia
    » Anthony Johnson, WR, Buffalo
    » Bisi Johnson, WR, Colorado State
    » Darryl Johnson, DL, North Carolina A&T
    » Devon Johnson, OL, Ferris State
    » Diontae Johnson, WR, Toledo
    » Fred Johnson, OL, Florida
    » Gary Johnson, LB, Texas
    » Isaiah Johnson, DB, Houston
    » Jaquan Johnson, DB, Miami
    » KJ Johnson, WR, Fresno State
    » Lonnie Johnson, DB, Kentucky
    » Daniel Jones, QB, Duke
    » Dre'Mont Jones, DL, Ohio State
    » Jordan Jones, LB, Kentucky
    » Tyler Jones, OL, N.C. State
    » Mike Jordan, OL, Ohio State
    » Vosean Joseph, LB, Florida
    » Kingsley Keke, DL, Texas A&M
    » Joseph Kendall, LB, Clemson
    » Brandon Knight, OL, Indiana
    » Dawson Knox, TE, Mississippi
    » Tre Lamar, LB, Clemson
    » Dexter Lawrence, DL, Clemson
    » Justin Layne, DB, Michigan State
    » Jonathan Ledbetter, DL, Georgia
    » Iman Lewis-Marshall, DB, USC
    » Christopher Lindstrom, OL, Boston College
    » Greg Little, OL, Mississippi
    » Drew Lock, QB, Missouri
    » DaMarkus Lodge, WR, Mississippi
    » David Long, DB, Michigan
    » David Long, LB, West Virginia
    » Bryce Love, RB, Stanford
    » Julian Love, DB, Notre Dame
    » Alize Mack, TE, Notre Dame
    » Daylon Mack, DL, Texas A&M
    » Alexander Mattison, RB, Boise State
    » Erik McCoy, OL, Texas A&M
    » Kaleb McGary, OL, Washington
    » Connor McGovern, OL, Penn State
    » Mark McLaurin, DB, Mississippi State
    » Terry McLaurin, WR, Ohio State
    » Trace McSorely, QB, Penn State
    » D.K. Metcalf, WR, Mississippi
    » Jakobi Meyers, WR, North Carolina State
    » Joshua Miles, OL, Morgan State
    » Christian Miller, LB, Alabama
    » Jordan Miller, DB, Washington
    » Shareef Miller, DL, Penn State
    » Gardner Minshew, QB, Washington State
    » Dillon Mitchell, WR, Oregon
    » David Montgomery, RB, Iowa State
    » Jalin Moore, RB, Appalachian State
    » Foster Moreau, TE, LSU
    » Stanley Morgan, WR, Nebraska
    » Trayvon Mullen, DB, Clemson
    » Byron Murphy, DB, Washington
    » Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma
    » Nyqwan Murray, WR, Florida State
    » Isaac Nauta, TE, Georgia
    » Anthony Nelson, DL, Iowa
    » Yosh, Nijman, OL, Virginia Tech
    » Bobby Okereke, LB, Stanford
    » Ed Oliver, DL, Houston
    » Josh Oliver, TE, San Jose State
    » Qadree Ollison, RB, Pittsburgh
    » Charles Omenihu, DL, Texas
    » Sua Opeta, OL, Weber State
    » Amani Oruwariye, DB, Penn Satte
    » Javon Patterson, OL, Mississippi
    » Jamal Peters, DB, Mississippi State
    » Ross Pierschbacher, OL, Alabama
    » Trey Pipkins, OL, Sioux Falls
    » Jachai Polite, DL, Florida
    » Tony Pollard, RB, Memphis
    » Ryan Pope, OL, San Diego State
    » Bennett Powers, OL, Oklahoma
    » Germaine Pratt, LB, North Carolina State
    » Isaiah Prince, OL, Ohio State
    » Ryan Pulley, DB, Arkansas
    » Taylor Rapp, DB, Washington
    » Wyatt Ray, DL, Boston College
    » Dax Raymond, TE, Utah State
    » Sheldrick Redwine, DB, Miami
    » Hunter Renfrow, WR, Clemson
    » Riley Ridley, WR, Georgia
    » Dalton Risner, OL, Kansas State
    » Tyler Roemer, OL, San Diego State
    » Dontavius Russell, DL, Auburn
    » Brett Rypien, QB, Boise State
    » Dru Samia, OL, Oklahoma
    » Drew Sample, TE, Washington
    » Deebo Samuel, WR, South Carolina
    » Miles Sanders, RB, Penn State
    » Khalen Saunders, DL, Western Illinois
    » Darnell Savage, DB, Maryland
    » Jordan Scarlett, RB, Florida
    » Max Scharping, OL, Northern Illinois
    » LJ Scott, RB, Michigan State
    » Austin Seibert, K, Oklahoma
    » Kendall Sheffield, DB, Ohio State
    » Kyle Shurmur, QB, Vanderbilt
    » David Sills, WR, West Virginia
    » Devin Singletary, RB, Florida Atlantic
    » Chris Slayton, DL, Syracuse
    » Darius Slayton, WR, Auburn
    » Cameron Smith, LB, USC
    » Irv Smith, TE, Alabama
    » Jaylen Smith, WR, Louisville
    » Kaden Smith, TE, Stanford
    » Saivion Smith, DB, Alabama
    » Sutton Smith, DL, Northern Illinois
    » Benny Snell, RB, Kentucky
    » Jace Sternberger, TE, Texas A&M
    » Easton Stick, QB, North Dakota State
    » Jarrett Stidham, QB, Auburn
    » Ty Summers, LB, TCU
    » Montez Sweat, DL, Mississippi State
    » Tommy Sweeney, TE, Boston College
    » William Sweet, OL, UNC
    » Jordan Ta'amu, QB, Mississippi
    » Taki Takitaki, LB, BYU
    » Trevon Tate, OL, Memphis
    » Jahlani Tavai, LB, Hawaii
    » Jawaan Taylor, OL, Florida
    » Marvell Tell, DB, USC
    » Derrek Thomas, DB, Baylor
    » Cody Thompson, WR, Toledo
    » Deionte Thompson, DB, Alabama
    » Juan Thornhill, DB, Virginia
    » Clay Thorson, QB, Northwestern
    » Jerry Tillery, DL, Notre Dame
    » Cole Tracy, K, LSU
    » Drue Tranquill, LB, Notre Dame
    » Oli Udoh, OL, Elon
    » Andrew Van Ginkel, LB, Wisconsin
    » D'Andre Walker, LB, Georgia
    » Kahale Warring, TE, San Diego State
    » Armon Watts, DL, Arkansas
    » Jamarius Way, WR, South Alabama
    » Mike Weber, RB, Ohio State
    » Ken Webster, DB, Mississippi
    » Trevon Wesco, TE, West Virginia
    » Alex Wesley, WR, Northern Colorado
    » Antoine Wesley, WR, Texas Tech
    » Darius West, DB, Kentucky
    » Devin White, LB, LSU
    » Christian Wilkins, DL, Clemson
    » Greedy Williams, DB, LSU
    » Dexter Williams, RB, Notre Dame
    » James Williams, RB, Washington State
    » Joejuan Wiliams, DB, Vanderbilt
    » Jonah Williams, OL, Alabama
    » Quinnen Williams, DL, Alabama
    » Trayveon Williams, RB, Texas A&M
    » Gerald Willis, DL, Miami
    » Khari Willis, DB, Michigan State
    » Caleb Wilson, TE, UCLA
    » Donovan Wilson, DB, Texas A&M
    » Mack Wilson, LB, Alabama
    » Andrew Wingard, DB, Wyoming
    » Chase Winovich, DL, Michigan
    » Daniel Wise, DL, Kansas
    » Mitchell Wishnowsky, P, Utah
    » Zedrick Woods, DB, Mississippi
    » Evan Worthington, DB, Colorado
    » Renell Wren, DL, Arizona State
    » Oshane Ximines, DL, Old Dominion
    » Rock Ya-Sin, DB, Temple
     
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    Execs Identify 3 Players Who Will Wow at Combine

    By Daniel Jeremiah - NFL Media analyst

    With the Super Bowl in the rearview mirror, it is officially NFL draft season. While this year's class lacks the depth of talent at the QB position we witnessed last spring, there are still several intriguing players at every position. The NFL Scouting Combine (March 1-4 on NFL Network) in Indianapolis will give us our only chance to see almost all of those prospects in the same place at the same time, and the list of 300-plus players invited to this year's event was released on Thursday. Which player will generate the most buzz in Indy? I reached out to five NFL personnel executives to get their thoughts. Here are their answers:

    NOTE: While Kyler Murray is mentioned below and has been invited to the combine, he has not announced whether he will attend the event as of this writing.

    Executive 1: Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray
    Executive 2: LSU LB Devin White
    Executive 3: Murray
    Executive 4: Murray
    Executive 5: Michigan DL Rashan Gary
     
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    A player the Bills should be targeting in UFA IMO.
     
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    2019 NFL Draft: Prospect rankings for top 100, the Kyler Murray conundrum and more to know

    by Chris Trapasso


    With the Super Bowl in the rear-view mirror, and draft season officially here, it's time to introduce my current Top 100 prospects for the 2019 NFL Draft.

    This is a defensive-centric class loaded up front that features more question marks than presumed sure things at the quarterback position. The receiver group is stacked, and there are plenty of superb offensive linemen.

    Back to the quarterbacks. While Drew Lock and especially Dwayne Haskins will get their due over the next few months, reigning Heisman Trophy winner Kyler Murray takes the cake as the most polarizing, discussion-worthy prospect at the position. Well under 6-foot-0 and probably under 200 pounds, he was more efficient as a pocket passer at Oklahoma in 2018 than Baker Mayfield was in 2017 and has Lamar Jacksonian scrambling skills.

    Did he just take advantage of poor defensive play in the Big 12? Or is he ready to be an outlier in a league loaded with quarerbacks 6-2 and up? Oh, and might he just pick baseball over football anyway?

    Let's get to the rankings.
     
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