Proposal: BUF - TB Trade

[EichelsJockStrap]

Why does buffalo want another bad player....pass on callahan he would just be another player people complain about much like okposo

 

[tsujimoto74]

I would totally agree with you if making that deal would hurt Buffalo’s chances of making the playoffs but being Realistic here we both know that’s unlikely to happen anytime soon

Strong logic. "Team is bad, why not make it worse by wasting a bunch of cap space that could be spent on real players for a vet who's tank is damn near E, while also actively helping a division rival by ensuring they have room for players who are actually worth paying?"

Buffalo has the cap space to take Callahan, but it's going to cost Tampa something they don't want to part with or it's not going to happen.

 

[Chainshot]

I would totally agree with you if making that deal would hurt Buffalo’s chances of making the playoffs but being Realistic here we both know that’s unlikely to happen anytime soon

It does hurt their ability to sign players who have an impact on something other than the PK, which at this point is about the benefit of Callahan's game. Oddly enough, they have two RFA players who some would like to not even tender who performed better in a shot suppression role given heavily weighted use (7 out of 8 shifts in the D-zone) than Callahan and they would cost less combined than he does.

Callahan isn't Mark Messier. He's not so mythic a locker room guy that he's going to will them into a better place. He's a cagey, but worn vet who has a cap hit in the way of the Lightning signing more important pieces.

 

[Chainshot]

That is a fair argument but Okposo doesn’t bring the physical element and PK skills that Callahan does

See post above - they already have a pretty good 1-2 PK tandem who both have pretty good shot suppression metrics in weighted deployment. They don't need $5M for a 2nd pairing PK guy. At least not without the host sending something along to make it worthwhile.

 

[ShaneinTpa]

Strong logic. "Team is bad, why not make it worse by wasting a bunch of cap space that could be spent on real players for a vet who's tank is damn near E, while also actively helping a division rival by ensuring they have room for players who are actually worth paying?"

Buffalo has the cap space to take Callahan, but it's going to cost Tampa something they don't want to part with or it's not going to happen.

You may be right assuming your GM does something he’s never done to this point and sign somebody that’s worth a shit. But aside from that, Callahans contract is only for one year and in the next five years likely holds more value than anybody’s fourth round pick in this draft. Make a counter offer

 

[ShaneinTpa]

See post above - they already have a pretty good 1-2 PK tandem who both have pretty good shot suppression metrics in weighted deployment. They don't need $5M for a 2nd pairing PK guy. At least not without the host sending something along to make it worthwhile.

Make a suggestion

 

[drw02]

Buffalo gets Callahan and Tampa's 3rd Round Pick
Tampa gets Buffalo's 7th...

Nobody is helping Tampa out of their cap trouble for a measly 3rd round pick

 

[BeingTheThunder]

That is a fair argument but Okposo doesn’t bring the physical element and PK skills that Callahan does

Cally is definitely a top-end PKer regardless of his age...

 

[BeingTheThunder]

Nobody is helping Tampa out of their cap trouble for a measly 3rd round pick

You know what, it wouldn't be considered "helping Tampa" if you get value from the trade. No one is suggesting you take Callahan for nothing. He would immediately become your best PKer... The contract is a little much for a 3rd/4th line penalty killer, sure, but the 3rd round pick coming with him would negate any negative value.

 

[Chainshot]

Make a suggestion

I mentioned above, make it worth Buffalo's while. If you want something hard and fast: Alex Barré-Boulet and the Lightning 2nd in 2020. Buffalo will send the worse of their 6ths this year back in the deal.

 

[Leonardo87]

Callahan should be going to a contender. His playoff experience is enough to gain interest in current playoff teams who are looking to improve their PK and bottom 6 and bring in a guy with leadership and a ton of playoff experience.

As per a contender affording him? Tampa can always retain salary and put him closer to his true value or a rebuilding team can always flip him to a contender at the deadline where the cap hit isn’t an issue for them.

Also have to think a lot of teams on his list are contenders. He still needs to submit that list this month to Tampa.

 

[Chainshot]

You know what, it wouldn't be considered "helping Tampa" if you get value from the trade. No one is suggesting you take Callahan for nothing. He would immediately become your best PKer... The contract is a little much for a 3rd/4th line penalty killer, sure, but the 3rd round pick coming with him would negate any negative value.

He would not become their best PKer. This trade isn't bringing competent defensemen or Vas along with it.

 

[ShaneinTpa]

I mentioned above, make it worth Buffalo's while. If you want something hard and fast: Alex Barré-Boulet and the Lightning 2nd in 2020. Buffalo will send the worse of their 6ths this year back in the deal.

I mentioned above, make it worth Buffalo's while. If you want something hard and fast: Alex Barré-Boulet and the Lightning 2nd in 2020. Buffalo will send the worse of their 6ths this year back in the deal.

Well I asked and you gave it to me. LOL. Yeah, TB is not giving up this year’s AHL leading scorer and a 2nd to move a contract, to Buffalo or anyone else. The lightning would be better off retaining some of Callahan’s contract in exchange for a mid to lower 2019 pick. If they cannot do that they will probably buy him out

 

[Langdon Alger]

Nobody is helping Tampa out of their cap trouble for a measly 3rd round pick

That’s the type of trade I could see happening with Callahan. It’s not just about helping them out, it’s getting something of value in return. A third round pick actually does have some value, even if you don’t think it does.

 

[Chainshot]

Well I asked and you gave it to me. LOL. Yeah, TB is not giving up this year’s AHL leading scorer and a 2nd to move a contract, to Buffalo or anyone else. The lightning would be better off retaining some of Callahan’s contract in exchange for a mid to lower 2019 pick. If they cannot do that they will probably buy him out

If Tampa isn't willing to put something tangible on the table to move cap that allows them to get Point signed and/or throw an offer at Karlsson or even bring in some other defensemen with depth guys rolling off as UFA, so be it. Buying him out doesn't exactly solve that problem, it just shaves $3.1M off this year and tacks $1.5M on for next year when Cirelli, Cernak, Sergachev, Joseph and Vasilevsky are all due new RFA deals. That seems like a bad fit for them.

 

[ShaneinTpa]

If Tampa isn't willing to put something tangible on the table to move cap that allows them to get Point signed and/or throw an offer at Karlsson or even bring in some other defensemen with depth guys rolling off as UFA, so be it. Buying him out doesn't exactly solve that problem, it just shaves $3.1M off this year and tacks $1.5M on for next year when Cirelli, Cernak, Sergachev, Joseph and Vasilevsky are all due new RFA deals. That seems like a bad fit for them.

Sometimes you have to choose between Syphilis and cancer. If it’s necessary they could probably bridge Point and make up for the added cap Hit in a buy out by taking their time to move a more palatable piece for a reasonable return. Karlsson is not coming here

 

[Leonardo87]

That’s the type of trade I could see happening with Callahan. It’s not just about helping them out, it’s getting something of value in return. A third round pick actually does have some value, even if you don’t think it does.

Yeah I don’t get it, they are not getting just a cap dump, they are getting a player who will actually improve their team on and off the ice. So not sure the big deal for taking on one year of an overpaid but still effective contract. A team is gonna get an asset attached because of the cap hit. So it’s all good.

 

[Weltschmerz]

Yeah I don’t get it, they are not getting just a cap dump, they are getting a player who will actually improve their team on and off the ice. So not sure the big deal for taking on one year of an overpaid but still effective contract. A team is gonna get an asset attached because of the cap hit. So it’s all good.

Take him on the rangers then.

 

[drw02]

You know what, it wouldn't be considered "helping Tampa" if you get value from the trade. No one is suggesting you take Callahan for nothing. He would immediately become your best PKer... The contract is a little much for a 3rd/4th line penalty killer, sure, but the 3rd round pick coming with him would negate any negative value.

But it is because everyone knows your situation and can hold out for better because keeping Cally isn't an option for you. It's not like bottom 6 F's are hard to find, If you don't include a better asset then teams just look elsewhere for a younger, cheaper bottom 6 F and let TB stew. Callahan's career is basically over, nobody is going to lose any sleep if they 'miss out' on acquiring him for a season or two.

 

[Leonardo87]

Take him on the rangers then.

Gladly

 

[God King Fudge]

I'd do it as a Tampa fan, but that's a whole lotta salary going to BUF.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Why would Buffalo do this?

 

[ShaneinTpa]

Why would Buffalo do this?

Because Tampa retains some of his salary and whatever pick Buffalo gives to get him in the long run is highly unlikely to turn into an NHL player. Are there better players available than Callahan? Absolutely. But those players will either have a bigger cap hit or longer term. If Buffalo can make a better deal doing something else they should. But, it probably won’t be any easier than a first glance might suggest.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Because Tampa retains some of his salary and whatever pick Buffalo gives to get him in the long run is highly unlikely to turn into an NHL player. Are there better players available than Callahan? Absolutely. But those players will either have a bigger cap hit or longer term. If Buffalo can make a better deal doing something else they should. But, it probably won’t be any easier than a first glance might suggest.

This fallacy is why you're getting so much push back. A 1st and a 2nd is pretty likely to result in an NHL player.

 

[Djp]

Receives:
Rasmus Ristolainen, Alex Nylander, 2019 1st (#30/#31), and 2020 2nd.

Receives:
Tyler Johnson, JT Miller, Ryan Callahan and 2019 4th.

hell f***ing no

Miller+Callahan+ 4th= 2nd in 2020
Ristolainen >>>Johnson