The Blues don’t care about the Guentzel trade.
We traded three valuable rentals at the deadline last year. Armstrong already knows what he can get for one of those, and Buchnevich likely would have better trade value than all of them.
Dreger: Buchnevich is likely to be traded
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We traded three valuable rentals at the deadline last year. Armstrong already knows what he can get for one of those, and Buchnevich likely would have better trade value than all of them.
BleedBlue14
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Sure I guess. But Buch has another season, most teams would need retention for 2 years on a contract. And Pittsburgh was noted to be wanting prospects more than picks. Getting 2 recent 2nd round picks, Lucius and a middle 6er in return along with the conditional picks certainly isn’t as small as a haul as many tend to believe.
Now factor in Armstrong has been pretty notedly steadfast that he doesn’t have to trade Buch right now and the most likely outcome is he isn’t traded. This isn’t a position of trade, extend or let him walk. This is a position of I’m willing to make changes to the roster if it matches my needs. I’d fully expect Buch to be shopped at the draft though if he’s not moved today.
Edit. Just reread what you wrote. Misread it completely. Some still makes sense in objection to it, but some was geared towards the misread
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ZachaFlockaFlame
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Armstrong is a way better trader than Dubas is but I'm sure he'll get traded in the summer with a something x 8 if Blues want to move on from him. If Armstrong doesn't then yikes. Would be next level bad from him
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Unfortunately managers are now in this position. To get proper value, a player better have term. Guentzel’s return, should remind Armstrong, the time to strike is right now. His value only decreases from here on out…
2 playoff runs and a season of Buchnevich for under $3 million, is worth quite a bit. You also keep teams like Nashville, Detroit, NJ, NYI, and others, in the mix, rather than only the big-time contenders with limited Grade A assets, next deadline. That’s huge.
It really is the smart move for Armstrong. He won’t get coin-flip prospects like Guentzel did, or he’d get next deadline for Buchnevich. He’d get legit prospects, who’s question will only be, how good they’ll be in the NHL. Not if they’ll be in the league.
They should trade him.
2 playoff runs and a season of Buchnevich for under $3 million, is worth quite a bit. You also keep teams like Nashville, Detroit, NJ, NYI, and others, in the mix, rather than only the big-time contenders with limited Grade A assets, next deadline. That’s huge.
It really is the smart move for Armstrong. He won’t get coin-flip prospects like Guentzel did, or he’d get next deadline for Buchnevich. He’d get legit prospects, who’s question will only be, how good they’ll be in the NHL. Not if they’ll be in the league.
They should trade him.
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Also, props on your GM for nailing recent 1st rounders with these Swedes. While I’m hoping we can snag one of them while arranging a fortuitous trade for Buchy, I think you guys are in good hands. I’ll personally (due to a few of my college golf teammates being huge Nucks fans) be rooting for y’all, particularly if we make a decent trade and send y’all Buch. He’s a gamer and I’d love to see him kick it in at a high level in the playoffs.
Just please send us Willander
They lack the ammunition to get a deal done, even if Easton Cowen and a 1st were in play.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Rangers need to go bring him home today. Get rid of the beta Kakko and chuck in a first. That’ll get it done.
Everyone says we won’t do it because Drury doesn’t want to relive his worst decision as a GM. Instead, we’ll trade virtually the same price for a clear worse player in Vatrano, who Drury also didn’t re-sign.
If Drury admitted to his mistake and made this trade I would probably forfeit my biggest gripe with him and forgive it. He seems so petty and egotistic. That’ll be his undoing without a doubt because the rest he’s done isn’t that bad. His ego is an impediment to us getting better though.
Everyone says we won’t do it because Drury doesn’t want to relive his worst decision as a GM. Instead, we’ll trade virtually the same price for a clear worse player in Vatrano, who Drury also didn’t re-sign.
If Drury admitted to his mistake and made this trade I would probably forfeit my biggest gripe with him and forgive it. He seems so petty and egotistic. That’ll be his undoing without a doubt because the rest he’s done isn’t that bad. His ego is an impediment to us getting better though.
DanielBrassard
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Othmann+1st for Buch is a done deal for me, but I doubt the rangers feel the same way unfortunately. Add in a pick for retention.
impaaaaaact
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Does a 2025 first, 2024 second, Sam Bolduc and Oliver Wahlstrom get it done at 50%? We'd likely be outbid right?
Kyle Dubas has traded down on the draft floor quite a bit. He’s the type of GM that sees value in a volume of lottery tickets. I think you saw that in the Guentzel trade.
Doug Armstrong is the opposite. He doesn’t trade down. In fact, he’s traded up a few times (Thompson, Bokk). Expect a quality over quantity ask.
Doug Armstrong is the opposite. He doesn’t trade down. In fact, he’s traded up a few times (Thompson, Bokk). Expect a quality over quantity ask.
Buch does have a 12 team no trade clause. I don't know how true but it's speculated he holds a grudge against NY for trading him. Who knows though?
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It seems pretty clear that he was upset at how he was treated by Drury. Doesn’t seem to be anything more than that. Drury needs to admit his mistake. If done, there should be no issues.
bleedblue1223
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No, don't think it's much more than what rental would get at the deadline next season. I'd hold and see what happens at the draft, and just take a rental price at the 2025 deadline.
Henkka
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Hope Winnipeg is on the list. Then it's between Carolina and Detroit, who have the capspace (without retentions).
I don't even know is either interested.
But Yzerman usually trades with the Blues.
Guentzel trade is really hard to use as a comparable due to Pitt being so committed to trying to win still. They really seemingly leaned more into getting a roster player for the now and prospects that were more valued as being potentially nhl ready rather than having higher ceilings.
bleedblue1223
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Wouldn't shock me if Army holds, he typically keeps high prices on players with term and doesn't budge, so could definitely see the market preferring rentals.
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Henkka
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I think the offer/final deal won't be any greater than that. It would be a pretty sweet deal.
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