Proposal: Bruins Trade Proposals XIV- Mod in OP

[SPLBRUIN]

let's say that happens & we play Schenn on the 3rd line instead of JFK. Now you still need a winger for Krejci & still have Donato in the lineup when frankly he probably shouldn't be. I guess Nordstrom will replace him eventually, but I still don't think this addresses our biggest need.

I'm with @GloryDaze4877 in thinking they need to figure out how to make this work without giving up Heinen but I also think they can't give up Cehlarik because at the moment he's the only in-house option who has shown anything on that line even if it's a small sample size.

To me if you're adding Schenn he needs to play center and makes JFK redundant so I would be insisting that he's a piece going the other way.

My perfect world scenario would be if they can add Schenn & Ferland with the only roster players going out being Grizz & JFK. Totally pie in the sky stuff though as I don't see them making two big moves like that.

I really don't see why some of you don't want to include Heinen in a deal for a better player. He has been nothing short of terrible this year, is on the smallish side, non-physical and can't score to save his life. I see his upside as nothing better then a 3rd liner winger.

 

[bp13]

I bet my left ... That cehlerik can sustain. He has matured well in providence put some solid numbers and in 2 games I know 2 he knows exactly where to be and has instant chemistry with David . Getting schenn and giving up cehlerik doesn't look much of a bump to me now. Plus cehlerik can be with Bruins for multiple years instead of a one year and done with schenn .

Ok so I have this straight, to justify your position you're going to...

1: Put your left testicle on the line that a guy whom the Bruins have seen fit to keep in Providence while using several weak options for 2nd and 3rd liners can sustain his 2 game trend not for a bit, but in fact, for YEARS

2. Brayden Schenn would be acquired giving up multiple young pieces and then the GM, who covets these kids apparently, would NOT re-sign Schenn but instead run the risk of having the very same hole in his lineup in 18 months.

Are these assumptions you've made for your point right?

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I think a lot of people are basing this off the years the Bruins spent looking for a "PMD" before & after Wideman and between Kaberle & Krug.

The difference is that back then the Bruins D was largely made up of defensive stay at home types. Those teams didn't have a McAvoy or Grzelcyk or Moore (or Vaakanainen, Lauzon & Zboril for that matter). And this team doesn't have a Sean O'Donnell or Aaron Ward. Even Kevan Miller can skate. The only really poor skater on our D is Chara & he obviously brings other things to the table.

Losing Krug would be noticed and hurt at times, but I don't think all the offense would suddenly dry up without him like some people think.

sounds like "we dont need this dollar because we have 3 quarters instead"

Not one of the other defenders has Krug's passing ability, offensive vision or offensive instincts.

the last 2 seasons ppg:

Krug: 0.78, 0.86
McAvoy: 0.51, 0.57
Grizz: 0.25, 0.29
Moore: 0.22, 0.21

Might as well trade Marchand because Heinen, Donato and JFK can make up for his points.

Krug is an elite and rare weapon in the NHL, you dont just give that away

 

[BruinsPortugal]

The problem with Krug is, well actually 2. a) he will probably want a lot of money that we will need to sign the young kids and b) he is probably our best trade chip to acquire another top line player.

I wouldnt trade him this season but i would certainly deal him during the draft.

There is one area where we are very deep in and thats defense. Up front..not so much.

 

[The don godfather]

Ok so I have this straight, to justify your position you're going to...

1: Put your left testicle on the line that a guy whom the Bruins have seen fit to keep in Providence while using several weak options for 2nd and 3rd liners can sustain his 2 game trend not for a bit, but in fact, for YEARS

2. Brayden Schenn would be acquired giving up multiple young pieces and then the GM, who covets these kids apparently, would NOT re-sign Schenn but instead run the risk of having the very same hole in his lineup in 18 months.

Are these assumptions you've made for your point right?

Yes peter c is here to stay and will be a factor on the second line for years to come . Big body has a nose for the net . Has tools to pop goals and sacrifice his body in front of goal. He has great vision in his passing ability. I've seen this in 2 games . He's 23 and seen the ups and downs of being called up. He's hungry and here to to stay .

 

[bp13]

I have no idea. If I were a decision maker I’d wait it out. Under his current deal the team has two more playoff runs with Krug. Looking at the teams core, I’d say keeping Krug the duration of his contract is a no brainer. IF he asks for big money on his next deal, let him walk as a UFA.

I don’t think anyone expected Pastrnak and Marchand to sign for what they did. I’d rather wait it out with Krug. He’s a vital piece of this team, and at the moment there isn’t anyone to step into his role. Hopefully McAvoy can, but he hasn’t yet

I think keeping Krug for this year is a no-brainer given the relative quality of the team. Similarly, I think figuring out what his demands are for a contract by this summer's draft is a no-brainer, and if he wants high-end PMD money, I think trading him this summer is also a no-brainer.

Simply put - I do not want to be on the hook for a long-term, high money contract on an undersized, offense-first dman with a real injury history. I have no problem if people disagree with that premise but if I'm GM that's my stance. Love the player, love his leadership, but he's an asset and as such, I think a bad long-term, high money investment given his facts. And I'll take my chances a guy like McAvoy and abundance of supposed offensive talent we have in the pipeline can make up for his production, all the while forming a defensive corps that's better at defending.

 

[bp13]

Yes peter c is here to stay and will be a factor on the second line for years to come . Big body has a nose for the net . Has tools to pop goals and sacrifice his body in front of goal. He has great vision in his passing ability. I've seen this in 2 games . He's 23 and seen the ups and downs of being called up. He's hungry and here to to stay .

Okay. If you know these to be facts, great. Guess we're all set for the top two lines now. Maybe we just pick up a rental for the 3rd line and book the duck boats.

 

[Dizzay]

I would deal for that 3c immediately. That gives you a little over a month to evaluate what the team looks like. Let's assume Gryz+JFK +B prospect is the cost
Marshy-Bergy-Pasta
Debrusk-Krejci-Celharik
Donato-Trade-Heinen
Kuraly-Wagner-Backes
Nordstrom/Acciari

Chara-McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
Moore-Miller
Lauzon/Kampfer

Regardless of who we get for that 3C role, I don't think Donato and Heinen are both ready for a war in the playoffs playing in the top 9. I'm not sold Celharik is a difference maker for that 2nd line. Let's say we bring in Schenn as the 3C. I still believe this team is a lot deeper and ready for a playoff war bringing in a vet to play on Krejci's RW and moving Celharik down to the 3rd line to add some size to that line. This is exactly where a Ferland/Simmonds/Woods/Williams/Carter/Toffoli would come in handy. Williams/Simmonds likely the cheapest options.

Marshy-Bergy-Pasta
Debrusk-Krejci-Williams/Simmonds
Celharik-Schenn-Heinen/Donato
Kuraly-Wagner-Backes
Norstrom/Acciari/Donato/Heinen

That really gives some flexibility in the line up, to play whoever has chemistry on line 3. Schenn obviously being the staple then rotating in Donato/Heinen/Celharik, even Nordstrom/Backes if the kids can't play with consistency. Not sure of the cost, but if StL plans on selling Jaybo, I'd grab him as insurance as well if we end up losing Gryz. I have confidence in Lauzon/Vaak but Jaybo is a vet and gives us some size on the LD side. I think with this line up, we can go to battle with any NHL team in a 7 game series, baring no major injuries. Now just up to Sweeney to execute my master plan!

 

[Number8]

Ok so I have this straight, to justify your position you're going to...

1: Put your left testicle on the line that a guy whom the Bruins have seen fit to keep in Providence while using several weak options for 2nd and 3rd liners can sustain his 2 game trend not for a bit, but in fact, for YEARS

2. Brayden Schenn would be acquired giving up multiple young pieces and then the GM, who covets these kids apparently, would NOT re-sign Schenn but instead run the risk of having the very same hole in his lineup in 18 months.

Are these assumptions you've made for your point right?

See, this is what I hate about this time of year. People come up with crazy trade pieces and lose all context for "asset management". When it gets into the territory of "personal assets management" someone needs to step in and stop the madness.

I would just like to go on the record that my left testicle is most certainly not in play. Er, bad choice of words .... allow me to rephrase, please.

My left testicle will not be any part of any deal the Boston Bruins do. End of rumor.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I think keeping Krug for this year is a no-brainer given the relative quality of the team. Similarly, I think figuring out what his demands are for a contract by this summer's draft is a no-brainer, and if he wants high-end PMD money, I think trading him this summer is also a no-brainer.

Simply put - I do not want to be on the hook for a long-term, high money contract on an undersized, offense-first dman with a real injury history. I have no problem if people disagree with that premise but if I'm GM that's my stance. Love the player, love his leadership, but he's an asset and as such, I think a bad long-term, high money investment given his facts. And I'll take my chances a guy like McAvoy and abundance of supposed offensive talent we have in the pipeline can make up for his production, all the while forming a defensive corps that's better at defending.

Injury history?

Krug's GP for his career:

79, 78, 81, 81, 76.

He's missed 26 total games in 5+ seasons with 11 coming at the start of this season.

For reference, in his 1+ seasons McAvoy has missed 46 games, with 27 coming this season.

My point is trading a player like Krug because "we may not resign him" is what sellers do, not contenders. Contenders let it play out and deal with it later

 

[Fenian24]

Only here, minor league "prospect" has a couple good games and he is untouchable. Cancel all trade talks because Cehlarik has suddenly become a 30/30 guarantee to go along with the second coming of Bob Gainey in Danton Hienen, the Havard Rockect Donato who will be a one zone force and will score 40 next year, JFK who.....actually there is nothing there to even try to compare to a quality NHL player. Let's not forget the equivalent of the 76 Canadiens hiding their skills in the minors, Senyshyn, Bjork, Frederic and Fitzgerald. Not to mention future multi Norris winning legend Matt Grezlyk.

Rely on this prospect pool exclusively and get used to years of just making the playoffs and one and out.

 

[bp13]

Only here, minor league "prospect" has a couple good games and he is untouchable. Cancel all trade talks because Cehlarik has suddenly become a 30/30 guarantee to go along with the second coming of Bob Gainey in Danton Hienen, the Havard Rockect Donato who will be a one zone force and will score 40 next year, JFK who.....actually there is nothing there to even try to compare to a quality NHL player. Let's not forget the equivalent of the 76 Canadiens hiding their skills in the minors, Senyshyn, Bjork, Frederic and Fitzgerald. Not to mention future multi Norris winning legend Matt Grezlyk.

Rely on this prospect pool exclusively and get used to years if just making the playoffs and one and out.

The problem here is that your post just MIGHT be entirely correct.

There are lots of folks who are choosing to believe you are wrong on all accounts, but given what we've seen so far, you seem closer to the likely result than the wishcasting we've seen here for a few years around these supposed blue chippers. Personally, I'm gonna bet the truth lies somewhere in between. I bet some of these kids end up quality players and some flame out. But I'm reasonably confident there isn't a single name among them who should be off limits if there's a chance to add a quality player.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

I think keeping Krug for this year is a no-brainer given the relative quality of the team. Similarly, I think figuring out what his demands are for a contract by this summer's draft is a no-brainer, and if he wants high-end PMD money, I think trading him this summer is also a no-brainer.

Simply put - I do not want to be on the hook for a long-term, high money contract on an undersized, offense-first dman with a real injury history. I have no problem if people disagree with that premise but if I'm GM that's my stance. Love the player, love his leadership, but he's an asset and as such, I think a bad long-term, high money investment given his facts. And I'll take my chances a guy like McAvoy and abundance of supposed offensive talent we have in the pipeline can make up for his production, all the while forming a defensive corps that's better at defending.

As I see it either Krug takes a hometown discount like the first line did or he goes UFA. Would be nice to know that earlier than his UFA date as we could get something for his rights next summer.

 

[Mainehockey33]

If we can pick up Schenn and Nyquist I’ll be happy. Apparently Gus can be had for a 1st?

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
Debrusk-Krejci-Cehlarik
Heinen-Schenn-Nyquist
Wagner-Backes-Kuraly

With that lineup it’ll be a late 1st we’re losing hopefully. Always a chance to get back into the 1st round at the draft anyway.

 

[bp13]

Injury history?

Krug's GP for his career:

79, 78, 81, 81, 76.

He's missed 26 total games in 5+ seasons with 11 coming at the start of this season.

For reference, in his 1+ seasons McAvoy has missed 46 games, with 27 coming this season.

My point is trading a player like Krug because "we may not resign him" is what sellers do, not contenders. Contenders let it play out and deal with it later

In no way would I be trading him because we "might not sign him". That would have nothing to do with it. I'd be trading him, in my scenario, because I WOULD NOT be signing him.

 

[alg363636]

The benefit of Schenn is that he can play wing or center. If Cehlarik continues to impress we can use Schenn as our 3C and we are unbelievably deep at center. If Cehlarik falters and that line goes cold again you bump Schenn up and have a completely legit top 6.

He just makes a whole lot of sense.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I really don't see why some of you don't want to include Heinen in a deal for a better player. He has been nothing short of terrible this year, is on the smallish side, non-physical and can't score to save his life. I see his upside as nothing better then a 3rd liner winger.

Heinen has not been “terrible” (and he’s not small). He hasn’t produced offensively. These are two completely different things. Despite not scoring, when he played with 74 and 46, the line was good. Then, they put him with JFK and Donato (two guys who are not NHL players yet IMO) and the line has some defensive issues, but works.

Even if Heinen is “only a 3rd line winger” (I have no idea why this is a bad thing”), he’s the only 3rd line talent they have right now imo. If you bring in a legit 3C and he has two of 20, 17, 42, or 23 on his wings, I don’t see that as a third line that will stand up in the playoffs.

That’s why you try not to move him.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Continued from the last thread:

I know its only 2 games but Cehlarik fits like a glove on Krejci's line. Great hands, big body and wins a ton of puck battles along the wall. They have been the best Bruin line the last 2 games. I said it when Cehlarik was called up that if he plays well with Krejci and Debrusk than the Bruins really only need to make one trade and that is for a 3C.

In no particular order all of these players are presumed available. Bruins have the pieces to acquire any one of them.

Schenn
Duchene
Eric Staal (cost a lot less than Schenn)
Pageau
Kevin Hayes
Brassard

No way I’m dealing for Duchene. No matter how he does, his teams seems to lose. He’s been a 40-something point player the last two seasons and all of a sudden in his walk year, he’s over a point per game. Do you think that’s a coincidence? I don’t.

Pageau is a possibility depending on his health, but does OTT move him in division.

Minny is in a playoff spot, no way they deal Staal unless they fall out.

I just can’t see Hayes coming to Boston after the issue with his bro, Vesey, and all that. Plus, he seems to love NY and his teammates.

Not interested in Brassard unless he’s dirt cheap. Also, PIT is probably looking to ship him out of conference I would imagine.

I go for Schenn, try not to include Heinen and these are my lines:

63-37-74
22-46-88
43-Schenn-14
20-52-55-42 (choose 3)

(Donato sent down, JFK is in the deal for Schenn)

Schenn is your 3C for the time being, but you extend him and he takes over one of the top two center jobs down the line.

 

[bp13]

I admit we call this place the Lunatic Fringe so it shouldn't surprise me, but there are a LOT of people just inking Peter Cehlarik to a 2nd line position today. After two games. Not two months. Not even two weeks. Two games.

Ryan Donato scored in his first game last year right? Was buzzing all over the place in his first few games. Maybe we should all go back and read the threads the day after that night. My guess is they'll read similarly. And as of today, Ryan Donato pretty much blows. He may get it together down the line, but does anyone want him near our second line in April, or even in the lineup???

Point being...let's pump the brakes on Peter Cehlarik.

 

[BruinsPortugal]

Continued from the last thread:



No way I’m dealing for Duchene. No matter how he does, his teams seems to lose. He’s been a 40-something point player the last two seasons and all of a sudden in his walk year, he’s over a point per game. Do you think that’s a coincidence? I don’t.

Pageau is a possibility depending on his health, but does OTT move him in division.

Minny is in a playoff spot, no way they deal Staal unless they fall out.

I just can’t see Hayes coming to Boston after the issue with his bro, Vesey, and all that. Plus, he seems to love NY and his teammates.

Not interested in Brassard unless he’s dirt cheap. Also, PIT is probably looking to ship him out of conference I would imagine.

I go for Schenn, try not to include Heinen and these are my lines:

63-37-74
22-46-88
43-Schenn-14
20-52-55-42 (choose 3)

(Donato sent down, JFK is in the deal for Schenn)

Schenn is your 3C for the time being, but you extend him and he takes over one of the top two center jobs down the line.

So what would you give up for Schenn? Gryz and a 1st? I dont know man, that just doesnt feel good to me. Maybe that means value is ok tho.

And wagner on the 3rd line? no frickin way. Nordstrom will probably be there no matter what. So you pay a hefty price for schenn and you essentially are putting him with a 4th liner and a guy in heinen that just cant produce offensively this year. I dont see how that is gonna work.

To me, they either get a C AND another winger or they may aswell dont do anything.

 

[Number8]

Continued from the last thread:



No way I’m dealing for Duchene. No matter how he does, his teams seems to lose. He’s been a 40-something point player the last two seasons and all of a sudden in his walk year, he’s over a point per game. Do you think that’s a coincidence? I don’t.

Pageau is a possibility depending on his health, but does OTT move him in division.

Minny is in a playoff spot, no way they deal Staal unless they fall out.

I just can’t see Hayes coming to Boston after the issue with his bro, Vesey, and all that. Plus, he seems to love NY and his teammates.

Not interested in Brassard unless he’s dirt cheap. Also, PIT is probably looking to ship him out of conference I would imagine.

I go for Schenn, try not to include Heinen and these are my lines:

63-37-74
22-46-88
43-Schenn-14
20-52-55-42 (choose 3)

(Donato sent down, JFK is in the deal for Schenn)

Schenn is your 3C for the time being, but you extend him and he takes over one of the top two center jobs down the line.

I agree 100% with all of this. Duchene is a big talent but there are all kinds of flags waiving like mad on him. I've always found the Hayes talk interesting -- not on this planet could I see him being happy about being in Boston, so no bueno even if he doesn't have a say in a trade.

 

[HuskyBruinPride]

I want Schenn even more after last night. Thought he looked really good, very physical. Just what we need...

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I agree 100% with all of this. Duchene is a big talent but there are all kinds of flags waiving like mad on him. I've always found the Hayes talk interesting -- not on this planet could I see him being happy about being in Boston, so no bueno even if he doesn't have a say in a trade.

agree on Duchene.

I 100% pass on any player that falls into the category of "the team he left instantly had a better record, and the team he went to instantly got worse"

 

[Mainehockey33]

So what would you give up for Schenn? Gryz and a 1st? I dont know man, that just doesnt feel good to me. Maybe that means value is ok tho.

And wagner on the 3rd line? no frickin way. Nordstrom will probably be there no matter what. So you pay a hefty price for schenn and you essentially are putting him with a 4th liner and a guy in heinen that just cant produce offensively this year. I dont see how that is gonna work.

To me, they either get a C AND another winger or they may aswell dont do anything.

I’d offer...

Grzelcyk, JFK, 3rd for Schenn
And
1st, Clitfton for Nyquist

 

[Dr Hook]

So what would you give up for Schenn? Gryz and a 1st? I dont know man, that just doesnt feel good to me. Maybe that means value is ok tho.

And wagner on the 3rd line? no frickin way. Nordstrom will probably be there no matter what. So you pay a hefty price for schenn and you essentially are putting him with a 4th liner and a guy in heinen that just cant produce offensively this year. I dont see how that is gonna work.

To me, they either get a C AND another winger or they may aswell dont do anything.

Me either. I know last night was a win, and Schenn played pretty well, but Moore instead of Gryz was noticeable. The team had more trouble getting out of their own end and through the neutral zone cleanly. We already know Chara is going to bollocks up his passes much of the time, Miller is hit or miss- some nights he is crispy, some not. Schenn would probably be a nice add, but there has to be a deal which doesn't involve Gryz to be made.