Proposal: Bruins Trade Proposals/Rumours '17 - '18 (post 'em here)

[BruinsFanSince94]

If you're a team like the Capitals and can't get over the hump, do you take a chance on a player like Krejci to play with Ovechkin. Oh my imagine that.

One, can the Capitals afford him? Two, why is Boston helping out a team they're competing against?

The Bruins aren't a team fighting for their lives to make the playoffs. There's no reason to sell off a top 6 center, especially to a team you're competing against, unless the Bruins are getting something back of value, but that makes no sense for the Capitals.

Yes though, Krejci on the Capitals behind Backstrom and Kuznetsov would be absurd. I just don't see that as a possibility for reasons stated above.

 

[C77]

Re: Krug

He's a good player going through a bad stretch of play. He's not the first or best player to ever have a bad run, not is he the worst and won't be the last.

He's proven to be what he is; a very good puck moving defenseman with defensive limitations. Every team has them and every team has the opposite (Carlo, for instance) a very good defensive defenseman with offensive limitations.

Would I be okay if he was traded --- yes, for the right price.

Would I want him moved just to get rid of him? --- no because he's proven to be a good player the vast majority of his time here.

I see it similarly.

When I think of Krug's performance I generally think the good outweighs the bad. His ability to create offense is rare for defensemen. However, when I ask myself if I am comfortable with him playing 20 minutes per game against tough playoff competition, the answer is no. And for me that is the big question, so if I were in Sweeney's shoes I'd be keeping my options open. I'd prefer to add to the left side and bump Krug down to 17-18 minutes per night...but if the right offer came along I would move him. I think this team could stand to upgrade its physical tools a little bit.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Maybe I should take back that OEL offer I had on the table. Watching the Leafs/Arizona game thinking - okay, let me scout this OEL guy.
Brutal giveaway right to Nylander.

I don't know. Maybe this guy is overrated.
I think I would still do the trade though - based on Krugs performance today....

He's a very good offensive dman. Someone mentioned it earlier & I agree, he screams Keith Yandle to me. He's soft in his own end, disengaged. OEL is a very good player but he's hailed as a HOF'er around these parts. I don't see it.

Something tells me if Krug were on another team some fans here would be looking at his stat sheet and salivating for him.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

He's a very good offensive dman. Someone mentioned it earlier & I agree, he screams Keith Yandle to me. He's soft in his own end, disengaged. OEL is a very good player but he's hailed as a HOF'er around these parts. I don't see it.

Something tells me if Krug were on another team some fans here would be looking at his stat sheet and salivating for him.

yup, I made that comparison earlier.

OEL, Yandle, Shattenkirk, Krug are all the same player. average at best in their own end, offense/PP specialists.

But since OEL (and Yandle, Shattenkirk before this year) are on other teams a part of this fan base gets a hard on for them in the never ending "we need a PMD". But guys that are literally the same player on their own team are dismissed because of defensive mistakes (its not a new development with Krug either...the same thing happened with Wideman)

What they fail to realize is they ALL make those mistakes, you just dont see them from OEL, Yandle, Shattenkirk because you dont watch them every game.

I dont care how bad a team is, it takes some type of effort to be -29 in 40 games. If he was as good as other people claim he is, shouldn't he be elevating the D and his team?

 

[C77]

yup, I made that comparison earlier.

OEL, Yandle, Shattenkirk, Krug are all the same player. average at best in their own end, offense/PP specialists.

But since OEL (and Yandle, Shattenkirk before this year) are on other teams a part of this fan base gets a hard on for them in the never ending "we need a PMD". But guys that are literally the same player on their own team are dismissed because of defensive mistakes (its not a new development with Krug either...the same thing happened with Wideman)

What they fail to realize is they ALL make those mistakes, you just dont see them from OEL, Yandle, Shattenkirk because you dont watch them every game.

I dont care how bad a team is, it takes some type of effort to be -29 in 40 games. If he was as good as other people claim he is, shouldn't he be elevating the D and his team?

Very good analysis here. I do not want OEL at all considering what it would take to acquire a player like him. Would much prefer a sturdier and less flashy option on the left side.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Find me a 2009 Dennis Seidenberg and forget all this OEL/ Letang talk

 

[mjhfb]

Should have grabbed Hainsey when they had the chance.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

He's a very good offensive dman. Someone mentioned it earlier & I agree, he screams Keith Yandle to me. He's soft in his own end, disengaged. OEL is a very good player but he's hailed as a HOF'er around these parts. I don't see it.

Something tells me if Krug were on another team some fans here would be looking at his stat sheet and salivating for him.

You hit the nail on the head here. Krug is like the vast majority of offensive Dmen in the NHL, a good point producer, but average defensively. The only difference is that we watch every game he plays, see every little mistake and talk about them constantly. If OEL played here, it would be the same thing.

I’m with Sarge, I don’t trade Krug unless something special is coming back, but I’m not moving him (and other assets) for a similar player that people will be bitching about a month later after watching them all the time.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Find me a 2009 Dennis Seidenberg and forget all this OEL/ Letang talk

I don't even understand the Letang talk seeing he's a RHD, not even close to a need for this team. I 100% agree here though. I'll take a defenseman like 2009 Seidenberg all day. He was actually very productive for Boston early on here (point wise). He wasn't just a shut-down guy. I'll take that easily. Now, just have to find him haha

Just like Vatanen was traded the other day, I feel if Boston does get a guy, it won't be a name we were hearing.

 

[PlayMakers]

I dont care how bad a team is, it takes some type of effort to be -29 in 40 games. If he was as good as other people claim he is, shouldn't he be elevating the D and his team?

Chara's first year in Boston he was -21. We know he was a great player, in his prime at the time, and we can see him elevate his partner and his team even at age 40. In other words, I wouldn't draw any conclusions based on plus/minus alone.

I agree with your other points about Krug being similar to Shattenkirk and some of the others you've mentioned (that I've watched a lot), but I'm not sure OEL is in that category. I simply don't get to see him enough to judge. Do you follow Arizona closely or are you making a generalization based on "all offensive defensemen?"

 

[PlayMakers]

I don't even understand the Letang talk seeing he's a RHD, not even close to a need for this team. I 100% agree here though. I'll take a defenseman like 2009 Seidenberg all day. He was actually very productive for Boston early on here (point wise). He wasn't just a shut-down guy. I'll take that easily. Now, just have to find him haha

Just like Vatanen was traded the other day, I feel if Boston does get a guy, it won't be a name we were hearing.

I forgot about Vatanen... The day after he was traded the B's were on NBCSN and Bob MacKenzie said the Bruins were very much in on Vatanen. That surprised me because Vatanen is a right shot.

The only way I could see a deal for a right shot D working is if we're then turning around and flipping one of the current RHD's in a separate deal.

 

[Gee Wally]

Find me a 2009 Dennis Seidenberg and forget all this OEL/ Letang talk

AnyGM going after Letang has to be nuts.




On one hand, Friedman lays out some of the Penguins’ concerns: Letang is costly both in salary and term ($7.25 million cap hit through 2021-22) and has had serious health issues, with not just concussion issues but even stroke symptoms.

 

[frickinbobby]

torey has a no-move next year and a modified no-move the year after.

Torey Krug

this is the year he must go. suck it up, Donnie. (that's referring to Sweeney).

 

[TCB]

torey has a no-move next year and a modified no-move the year after.

Torey Krug

this is the year he must go. suck it up, Donnie. (that's referring to Sweeney).

If the Bruins do make some what of a major move I could see Krug as the main piece going back the other way. He's a good puck moving defenseman that other teams covet and if the right deal becomes available, I could see it.

Krug took a slashing penalty that led to a power-play goal by Alex Ovechkin in the second period and he had a bad giveaway in the contest. "Torey needs to be cleaner with the puck and have more pace to his game," said Cassidy. "That's what we feel. That's when he's at his best, when his gaps are good, he's killing plays and helping in transition. I think lately the gap has been the issue for him for whatever reason."
Source: Boston Herald

 

[PlayMakers]

torey has a no-move next year and a modified no-move the year after.

Torey Krug

this is the year he must go. suck it up, Donnie. (that's referring to Sweeney).

According to Capfriendly, it's a modified NTC, not a NMC, and he can only specify 8 teams he won't be traded to. So it's not all that much of an obstruction.

Torey Krug - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[TCB]

AnyGM going after Letang has to be nuts.




On one hand, Friedman lays out some of the Penguins’ concerns: Letang is costly both in salary and term ($7.25 million cap hit through 2021-22) and has had serious health issues, with not just concussion issues but even stroke symptoms.

Yes it makes no sense as the risk is very high and as far as the Pens go what type of return could they expect.With Letang currently on IR and his previous health issues, I don't feel the Penguins would gather much of a return.

 

[frickinbobby]

According to Capfriendly, it's a modified NTC, not a NMC, and he can only specify 8 teams he won't be traded to. So it's not all that much of an obstruction.

Torey Krug - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

the link i posted (Torey Krug) says 'full no trade clause' for next year.

 

[DKH]

torey has a no-move next year and a modified no-move the year after.

Torey Krug

this is the year he must go. suck it up, Donnie. (that's referring to Sweeney).

The sample size on Grzelcyk is small but his defense is pretty damn good

I am guessing but I think he could replace Krug.

They got a boatload of left shot D coming along

The deal would be something like Krug and multiple really good prospects to a team like Carolina for Hanifan

Boston would have
Chara - year to year
Hanifan
Grzelcyk

The kids would be coming up in back of Chara like Lindgren Lauzon UV Zboril etc

Carolina would have to be overwhelmed here with maybe one of those young defenseman and a winger

Carolina is set at RHD although Faulk is a FA around when Krug is

Hanifan is playing well but with McAvoy would give Boston that Werenski/Seth Jones stud duo feels

I'm a Krug apologist and fan but Grzelcyk can play the PP is cheaper and better defensively. Krug can be downright sensational at times and it's almost sac religious to think of trading him but the LHD depth on way and Grzelcyk lead to questions later on.

Of course you can spin it - Chara on 17th or 18th hole, Grzelcyk hasn't played 25 NHL games and Krug only LHD vet

The Bruins have so many guys I'm not sure how this shakes out

 

[PlayMakers]

the link i posted (Torey Krug) says 'full no trade clause' for next year.

Yeah, I don't know which one is right. I've never heard of spotrac dot com but that doesn't mean much. I have seen TSN reference Capfriendly, they seemed to take over for Capgeek so that's the one I use.

When I look at David Krejci for the two sites, Spotrac says he has a full NTC that last two years of his deal, but Capfriendly says the last 2 years are a modified NTC...

"CLAUSE DETAILS: Modified NTC: player must provide a list of at least 50% of the teams playing in the NHL as of the 2019-20 season to which he would accept a trade (if odd number then round down)."

 

[compan]

He's a very good offensive dman. Someone mentioned it earlier & I agree, he screams Keith Yandle to me. He's soft in his own end, disengaged. OEL is a very good player but he's hailed as a HOF'er around these parts. I don't see it.

Something tells me if Krug were on another team some fans here would be looking at his stat sheet and salivating for him.

Imagine how bad it would be back when this board was obsessed with grabbing a PMD. Back before we grabbed Kaberle for that reason lol.

 

[C77]

Since we're talking about Krug here....What would you guys think if there was a chance to get one of Charlie Coyle or Nino Niederreiter for him?

 

[PlayMakers]

The deal would be something like Krug and multiple really good prospects to a team like Carolina for Hanifan

Yeah, honestly, those are the only kinds of deals I'm interested in making.

Upgrade on Krug.
Upgrade on Krejci..
Upgrade on Backes...

They're all good players.

Krug can be spectacular but has some limitations and there is the potential there to upgrade to a truly dominant top two like Keith/Seabrook or Suter/Weber back in the day. Hanifin would be a great choice.

Krejci is a game changer when he's on but his health has become a major worry at this point and I'm starting to think that story may end in a costly buyout. (You can buy out players on NMC's, fwiw.) Why aren't we talking more about John Tavares? He could be the best free agent of all time.

Backes is playing great and that would be another really hard contract to move so I'd say this is the least likely, but watching that Washington game I couldn't help but wish for an angrier version of Backes. Maybe Simmonds? I don't know, more like a young Lucic if that exists in today's NHL. Tom Wilson is a lower case version of that.

Long story short, I hope any trade efforts are to upgrade on existing vets, not push the current young players out of the lineup. They have an excess of futures. They could make a splash if they want to.

 

[DKH]

Yeah, honestly, those are the only kinds of deals I'm interested in making.

Upgrade on Krug.
Upgrade on Krejci..
Upgrade on Backes...

They're all good players.

Krug can be spectacular but has some limitations and there is the potential there to upgrade to a truly dominant top two like Keith/Seabrook or Suter/Weber back in the day. Hanifin would be a great choice.

Krejci is a game changer when he's on but his health has become a major worry at this point and I'm starting to think that story may end in a costly buyout. (You can buy out players on NMC's, fwiw.) Why aren't we talking more about John Tavares? He could be the best free agent of all time.

Backes is playing great and that would be another really hard contract to move so I'd say this is the least likely, but watching that Washington game I couldn't help but wish for an angrier version of Backes. Maybe Simmonds? I don't know, more like a young Lucic if that exists in today's NHL. Tom Wilson is a lower case version of that.

Long story short, I hope any trade efforts are to upgrade on existing vets, not push the current young players out of the lineup. They have an excess of futures. They could make a splash if they want to.

With health to both teams it's a good bet Boston and Toronto are playing in April.

That's probably a toss up as of today

 

[chizzler]

AnyGM going after Letang has to be nuts.



On one hand, Friedman lays out some of the Penguins’ concerns: Letang is costly both in salary and term ($7.25 million cap hit through 2021-22) and has had serious health issues, with not just concussion issues but even stroke symptoms.

Thanks Wally. The kid has tons of miles and has a big cap hit. Why in earth would we want that?

Imagine how bad it would be back when this board was obsessed with grabbing a PMD. Back before we grabbed Kaberle for that reason lol.

Yeah we constantly were looking for a player that never fit Clodes style of play. How does cycling in defense translate to a PMD. That's why he didn't do squat.

 

[BruinLVGA]

Since we're talking about Krug here....What would you guys think if there was a chance to get one of Charlie Coyle or Nino Niederreiter for him?

Nino I would like, especially. He plays a physical game, has very good possession stats, and has a knack for scoring goals.