Prospect Info: Bruins Prospect Thread Part VII

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[GloryDaze4877]

Gabrielle with two goals (13,14) and an assist (5) last night in a 6-1 win for PG. I did a double take when I saw the box score because Gabrielle had 12 min of penalties again (same as Friday). This time it was two for roughing and a 10 min misconduct (again).

Anybody know what all of these misconduct are for?

Seems like he's really bringing it this year with his production AND instigation.

 

[BigBadBruins63*]

Gabrielle with two goals (13,14) and an assist (5) last night in a 6-1 win for PG. I did a double take when I saw the box score because Gabrielle had 12 min of penalties again (same as Friday). This time it was two for roughing and a 10 min misconduct (again).

Anybody know what all of these misconduct are for?

Seems like he's really bringing it this year with his production AND instigation.

Hopefully The B's found a legit gem here. This draft has potential to bear some serious fruit.

 

[DKH]

Love the reports on JFK from RoughEmUp. That makes two folks who have watched him that give the Bergeron comp. I've only seen him on TV a couple of times but he stands out.

 

[Budddy]

Gabrielle with two goals (13,14) and an assist (5) last night in a 6-1 win for PG. I did a double take when I saw the box score because Gabrielle had 12 min of penalties again (same as Friday). This time it was two for roughing and a 10 min misconduct (again).

Anybody know what all of these misconduct are for?

Seems like he's really bringing it this year with his production AND instigation.

For those who have Shaw TV in Canada, they are showing PG vs Calgary game Wednesday night...I'm going to watch that to see this kid

 

[PsychoDad]

The offensive production of Zboril and Senyshin in particular are a bit of a head scratcher. Zachary better start scoring fast... I don't know may players other than Kris Versteeg who had below PPG junior careers to turn out any good and Kris Versteeg is not a player for whom I'd turn down a chance on Barzal...

 

[Eddie Munson]

Love the reports on JFK from RoughEmUp. That makes two folks who have watched him that give the Bergeron comp. I've only seen him on TV a couple of times but he stands out.

I watched the Providence BU game the other night and he was all over the ice in a good way. Solid on the back check, great in the faceoff dot, was winning board battles and he attacks the net and uses his linemates well. A lot to like about his game.

It may have been the only game of seen of his this year but I was thoroughly impressed.

 

[ODAAT]

The offensive production of Zboril and Senyshin in particular are a bit of a head scratcher. Zachary better start scoring fast... I don't know may players other than Kris Versteeg who had below PPG junior careers to turn out any good and Kris Versteeg is not a player for whom I'd turn down a chance on Barzal...

think your being far too picky, Senyshyn at last count if I`m correct has 15 in 20 games, got off to a torrid start and has cooled off but I`d be far from concerned about being a PPG junior player and how that or what that means in terms of having a productive pro career.

Zboril was suspended thus missed a few games, was a bit sulky and needed to give his head a shake to get back into things but over the last few weeks has played very well for the Sea Dogs, just watched him Friday night and while he didn`t collect a point, he was everywhere and solid. Could have had multiple points had the Mooseheads goalie not stood on his head with some great passes that weren`t converted. The Sea Dogs use Chabot more as their offensive "go to" guy as it`s right in his wheelhouse.


Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much early panic for no reason IMO

 

[Tampbear]

I honestly am really excited about the 2015 draft now, I like to wait to see how they start playing the following year, but man everyone has upped their game, aside from Zboril. But I'm not worried about Zboril thanks to ODAAT, while I'm very excited for Debrusk, Senyshyn, Gabrielle, Lauzon, and JFK along with Zboril. I really love they are well rounded players and dedicated. I am so tired of seeing us pick players that are skilled but aren't Bruins style, and so they have the hardest time making the squad.

I don't care if Barzal is better than anyone we drafted if the players fit on the team and we aren't looking to trade them in a year or two. On top the college players we have doing well in Heinen, O'gara, and Kuraly, I'm actually starting to get really excited. I'm not usually one to have high expectations for kids we just drafted, especially after watching Colborne, Caron, Hamil, and Button just run in place after their drafts.

 

[Over the volcano]

I watched the Providence BU game the other night and he was all over the ice in a good way. Solid on the back check, great in the faceoff dot, was winning board battles and he attacks the net and uses his linemates well. A lot to like about his game.

It may have been the only game of seen of his this year but I was thoroughly impressed.

He was very Bergeron esque that night.

 

[BigBadBruins63*]

The offensive production of Zboril and Senyshin in particular are a bit of a head scratcher. Zachary better start scoring fast... I don't know may players other than Kris Versteeg who had below PPG junior careers to turn out any good and Kris Versteeg is not a player for whom I'd turn down a chance on Barzal...

Everyone loves the chance to bring up Barzal. Get over it, B's didn't choose him and there are reasons why.

Barzal, for being over a PPG, has 5 goals this season. and has 31 goals in 119 games. Senyshyn has 36 goals in 86 games. Barzal also has dealt with some injuries already in his young career.

Also, Bergeron was exactly 1.00 PPG in his junior career. Jeff Carter; just over a PPG at 1.04. Milan Lucic was a 0.65 PPG in juniors; I'd say he turned out alright. James Neal (0.93 PPG), Ryan O'Reilly (0.91 PPG), Scott Hartnell (0.99 PPG), Andrew Ladd (0.88 PPG); Shall I continue?

The main point being, who cares what you put up in juniors. I'm sure there are loads of players who were over a PPG in the CHL that never panned out. Instead of just stat watching, watch the player.

As for defenseman, scoring is the last thing that should be a go-to for how they're developing.

 

[Eddie Munson]

I honestly am really excited about the 2015 draft now, I like to wait to see how they start playing the following year, but man everyone has upped their game, aside from Zboril. But I'm not worried about Zboril thanks to ODAAT, while I'm very excited for Debrusk, Senyshyn, Gabrielle, Lauzon, and JFK along with Zboril. I really love they are well rounded players and dedicated. I am so tired of seeing us pick players that are skilled but aren't Bruins style, and so they have the hardest time making the squad.

I don't care if Barzal is better than anyone we drafted if the players fit on the team and we aren't looking to trade them in a year or two. On top the college players we have doing well in Heinen, O'gara, and Kuraly, I'm actually starting to get really excited. I'm not usually one to have high expectations for kids we just drafted, especially after watching Colborne, Caron, Hamil, and Button just run in place after their drafts.

Well said, I'd also say you can add Bjork to your list of college players as well. I watched the Notre Dame v. Minnesota game the other night and there wasn't a camera shot to be had where Bjork wasn't somewhere around the opposing teams net or in the corners wreaking havoc. When the pucks went into the corners he was typically the first man in or at least winning the majority of the puck battles when he wasn't and setting up more possession for the offense.

I don't know if I see a ton of offense in his game in terms of creativity but he is a hound on the puck, his retrieval skills and angles he takes on the forecheck are fantastic, and he makes a living in the dirty areas and was a key reason why Notre Dame maintained puck possession in the offensive zone for multiple chances with his board play, cycle game and finding open point men for one timers.

 

[Blowfish]

How have our dudes over sea been playing ? Very little is said about them.

 

[TootSweet]

I'm going to be catching a Boisbriand armada game next week and they are playing rouyn-noranda so it's cool I'll get to see Lauzon first hand.

 

[Stone Clode]

How have our dudes over sea been playing ? Very little is said about them.

Probably because there aren't really any. Emil Johansson has been brutal this year, and Cehlarik has been okay, 6 points in 14 games.

The rest are either in juniors, NCAA, or in Providence, all who are covered pretty regularly here or in the Providence thread.

 

[Tampbear]

Well said, I'd also say you can add Bjork to your list of college players as well. I watched the Notre Dame v. Minnesota game the other night and there wasn't a camera shot to be had where Bjork wasn't somewhere around the opposing teams net or in the corners wreaking havoc. When the pucks went into the corners he was typically the first man in or at least winning the majority of the puck battles when he wasn't and setting up more possession for the offense.

I don't know if I see a ton of offense in his game in terms of creativity but he is a hound on the puck, his retrieval skills and angles he takes on the forecheck are fantastic, and he makes a living in the dirty areas and was a key reason why Notre Dame maintained puck possession in the offensive zone for multiple chances with his board play, cycle game and finding open point men for one timers.

Awesome to hear, I don't think I've been this optimistic since we won the cup. It's good to have well rounded players on the roster along with the scorers and I'm happy we are developing different skill types in our system.

 

[mikelvl]

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2015/11/13_bus_grzelcyk_as_tough_as.php

I think this may have been posted somewhere already, apologies for that, but I think it's worth emphasizing. If his skills translate to the NHL, it sounds like the B's may have hit on another mid-round d-man. Time will tell but sounds encouraging.

After returning last weekend from a torn ACL in his knee, Grzelcyk isn’t just one of BU’s best players, he’s one of the country’s best players and arguably the best defenseman in all of college hockey.

“He’s a guy who is an elite player at this level,†Quinn said. “Any time you get a guy like that back in the lineup, your team instantaneously becomes better. Everybody gets better. You have more swagger and you play with more confidence. He obviously gave us a jolt of enthusiasm and when you add arguably the best defenseman in the country to your lineup, it’s going to make an impact, and you saw the impact he made.â€

“That was a great play from (Grzelcyk),†Oksanen said. “There was a lane that he found and he made an unreal tape-to-tape pass and I just had an empty net after that. It was an unreal play by Grizz.

“He’s massive for us. You saw him score, playing a really great defensive game. W needed him back.â€

 

[reffree]

Everyone loves the chance to bring up Barzal. Get over it, B's didn't choose him and there are reasons why.

Barzal, for being over a PPG, has 5 goals this season. and has 31 goals in 119 games. Senyshyn has 36 goals in 86 games. Barzal also has dealt with some injuries already in his young career.

Also, Bergeron was exactly 1.00 PPG in his junior career. Jeff Carter; just over a PPG at 1.04. Milan Lucic was a 0.65 PPG in juniors; I'd say he turned out alright. James Neal (0.93 PPG), Ryan O'Reilly (0.91 PPG), Scott Hartnell (0.99 PPG), Andrew Ladd (0.88 PPG); Shall I continue?

The main point being, who cares what you put up in juniors. I'm sure there are loads of players who were over a PPG in the CHL that never panned out. Instead of just stat watching, watch the player.

As for defenseman, scoring is the last thing that should be a go-to for how they're developing.

First no matter how you want to turn it, right now Barzal is giving more to his CHL team than Senyshyn is.

Second, you are really using numbers in a BAD way. Bergeron, Hartnell and O'Reilly finished their CHL career at 17yo. Carter was always more than a ppg player other than his 16yo season. Ladd had a difficult post draft season but was a ppg player at 17 and in the NHL at 19. Neal only became more than a ppg player in his 19yo season I'll give you that. Lucic pass from a 19pts season to a 68pts season and Mem Cup MVP in his only two WHL seasons

The season is still young, but outside of a 5 games stretch where Senyshyn got 6 goals and 2 assists he's been really quiet with 4g 3a in 15 games... it would not be particullary good for a 4th round pick...

 

[GloryDaze4877]

First no matter how you want to turn it, right now Barzal is giving more to his CHL team than Senyshyn is.

Second, you are really using numbers in a BAD way. Bergeron, Hartnell and O'Reilly finished their CHL career at 17yo. Carter was always more than a ppg player other than his 16yo season. Ladd had a difficult post draft season but was a ppg player at 17 and in the NHL at 19. Neal only became more than a ppg player in his 19yo season I'll give you that. Lucic pass from a 19pts season to a 68pts season and Mem Cup MVP in his only two WHL seasons

The season is still young, but outside of a 5 games stretch where Senyshyn got 6 goals and 2 assists he's been really quiet with 4g 3a in 15 games... it would not be particullary good for a 4th round pick...

Senyshyn played 3rd and 4th line minutes last season with the Soo, so this is really his first season playing top 6 minutes in all situations.

Dom did a much better job than I could explaining why he likes the Senyshyn pick better than Bazal in the 2015 prospect thread. Why don't you and psycho continue that discussion over there rather than in the BRUINS prospect thread, which Barzal is not (passed on THREE times by the B's, not just once).

 

[CDJ]

outside of the games he's been good he's been pretty quiet guys


And Senyshyn has twice as many goals as Barzal does, so that "any way you look at it" claim doesn't really work. That isn't to comment on the skill of either guy but 10 goals to 5 certainly doesn't say "any way you look at it"

 

[reffree]

Senyshyn played 3rd and 4th line minutes last season with the Soo, so this is really his first season playing top 6 minutes in all situations.

Dom did a much better job than I could explaining why he likes the Senyshyn pick better than Bazal in the 2015 prospect thread. Why don't you and psycho continue that discussion over there rather than in the BRUINS prospect thread, which Barzal is not (passed on THREE times by the B's, not just once).

The fact it looks really bad right now doesn't mean it will look bad in 5 years. Those are prospect and nobody knows for sure how that will turn out. I know about Senyshyn not playing many prime minute last year and doing good with is limited time. The problem to me right now is he is playing prime minute and he is on the ice more or less twice as much as last year while his production is more or less exactly the same. Of course he would have been better if played with MCcann but MCcann would be a OHL superstar this year and any So's players would look better with him.

I think it was only the 2nd time I wrote on that subject, I don't hate Senyshyn, he as some upside but right now with his world class speed, great size, good shot, good hands, he still can't produce more than his average teamates. I just think if Senyshyn was drafted by the Habs and the Bruins drafted Barzal nobody here (maybe exept Dom) would even think about saying Senyshyn as a better start of the season than Barzal. Even as a Bruins fan for the last 25 years, I think it's always funny to see that.

 

[reffree]

outside of the games he's been good he's been pretty quiet guys


And Senyshyn has twice as many goals as Barzal does, so that "any way you look at it" claim doesn't really work. That isn't to comment on the skill of either guy but 10 goals to 5 certainly doesn't say "any way you look at it"

... If it make you happy

 

[GloryDaze4877]

The fact it looks really bad right now doesn't mean it will look bad in 5 years. Those are prospect and nobody knows for sure how that will turn out. I know about Senyshyn not playing many prime minute last year and doing good with is limited time. The problem to me right now is he is playing prime minute and he is on the ice more or less twice as much as last year while his production is more or less exactly the same. Of course he would have been better if played with MCcann but MCcann would be a OHL superstar this year and any So's players would look better with him.

I think it was only the 2nd time I wrote on that subject, I don't hate Senyshyn, he as some upside but right now with his world class speed, great size, good shot, good hands, he still can't produce more than his average teamates. I just think if Senyshyn was drafted by the Habs and the Bruins drafted Barzal nobody here (maybe exept Dom) would even think about saying Senyshyn as a better start of the season than Barzal. Even as a Bruins fan for the last 25 years, I think it's always funny to see that.

Ref,

I'm not hating on you, just telling you to go to the 2015 thread and find Dom's post on this subject, it's excellent. If you want to discuss Barzal, that's where it should be done, as he's NOT a B's prospect. That's why BNHL started the thread, to keep track of ALL the 2015 guys.

 

[reffree]

Ref,

I'm not hating on you, just telling you to go to the 2015 thread and find Dom's post on this subject, it's excellent. If you want to discuss Barzal, that's where it should be done, as he's NOT a B's prospect. That's why BNHL started the thread, to keep track of ALL the 2015 guys.

No problem, my main point is not about Barzal anyway. I agree with the poster who said Zboril and Senyshyn offensive output is a little bit concerning right now. Zboril being a defensmen, it concern me less. Senyshyn being a foward, and not a defensive specialist, concern me more. But, as I said, the season is still young.

 

[Rumpy]

First no matter how you want to turn it, right now Barzal is giving more to his CHL team than Senyshyn is.

Second, you are really using numbers in a BAD way. Bergeron, Hartnell and O'Reilly finished their CHL career at 17yo. Carter was always more than a ppg player other than his 16yo season. Ladd had a difficult post draft season but was a ppg player at 17 and in the NHL at 19. Neal only became more than a ppg player in his 19yo season I'll give you that. Lucic pass from a 19pts season to a 68pts season and Mem Cup MVP in his only two WHL seasons

The season is still young, but outside of a 5 games stretch where Senyshyn got 6 goals and 2 assists he's been really quiet with 4g 3a in 15 games... it would not be particullary good for a 4th round pick...

Great response and all true. If you can't dominate peers your age you VERY VERY VERY VERY rarely will ever have a sniff with the best in the world. Reading some of these threads makes me think I'm among Leafs fans where every pick in the next prodigy.