Proposal: Brown & 2nd rd pick for Bennett

[BAM]

Bennett is pretty overrated for a player with 3 full seasons in the NHL and a career high of 36 points, it's not like he's on a team with a bunch of offensive talent either.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Leafs certainly don't have any need for Bennett at centre or at LW. Brown for Bennett even up seem slanted for the Flames

 

[Tkachuky]

Bennett is pretty overrated for a player with 3 full seasons in the NHL and a career high of 36 points, it's not like he's on a team with a bunch of offensive talent either.

How is he overrated???? Because flames fans don’t want to trade him? Because he was our highest pick and we still believe he can be more than what he is now? Wtf.

3 full seasons.... he is still young.

 

[PinkFly]

Bennett is beyond a bust.

This is embarrassing.

Exactly. Flames fans are legit living in denial. Bennett sucks and is a bust.

Remember when Oilers fans were living in denial about Yakupov? I'm sure they're glad he's gone now and got a nice return for him aswell.

 

[BAM]

How is he overrated???? Because flames fans don’t want to trade him? Because he was our highest pick and we still believe he can be more than what he is now? Wtf.

3 full seasons.... he is still young.

He hasn't put up more than 36 points in his 3 years which for a top pick is pretty bad and he hasn't even done that in 3 years. The last 2 seasons he's put up 26 points, not very good for a top 5 pick

 

[Tkachuky]

He hasn't put up more than 36 points in his 3 years which for a top pick is pretty bad and he hasn't even done that in 3 years. The last 2 seasons he's put up 26 points, not very good for a top 5 pick

I get that. Do all top 10 picks end up being 100 point players? No they don’t.
My point is that Bennett could end up being a 50-60 point guy with grit.

People think that Flames fan see him as a 80-100 point guy. Doubt many of us think he turns into that.

 

[blankall]

Exactly. Flames fans are legit living in denial. Bennett sucks and is a bust.

Remember when Oilers fans were living in denial about Yakupov? I'm sure they're glad he's gone now and got a nice return for him aswell.

Bennett does things yakupov can't. Even if Bennett doesn't develop any further, he's a solid and physical third line evergy guy. Bennett had atrocious linemates last year. He looked much better playing with Jankowski even. The Flames have much better depth and Bennett should benefit from that.

 

[Taytro]

Bennett isn’t amazing but he’s better than Connor friggin Brown and he is a former top draft pick who has shown flashes of excellence.

I'd like to know about these flashes of excellence. From what I've seen he's shown flashes of mediocrity, he could be a very useful mid/bottom 6 NHL player for a while but he absolutely hasn't shown he can play the game at an elite level. Very similar to Connor Brown.

 

[Tkachuky]

Bennett does things yakupov can't. Even if Bennett doesn't develop any further, he's a solid and physical third line evergy guy. Bennett had atrocious linemates last year. He looked much better playing with Jankowski even. The Flames have much better depth and Bennett should benefit from that.

can’t really reason with someone that only looks at G A Points....

Also, someone that doesn’t actually watch the player in question.

 

[CamelToews]

Pass. Would rather keep what we have

 

[VoluntaryDom]

I'd like to know about these flashes of excellence. From what I've seen he's shown flashes of mediocrity, he could be a very useful mid/bottom 6 NHL player for a while but he absolutely hasn't shown he can play the game at an elite level. Very similar to Connor Brown.

That 4 goal game? Occasional near PPG streaks? He’s shown flashes of high level play. Needs consistency though.

 

[DJJones]

Sometime's I'm not sure if Calgary games even get played in Ontario.

 

[Menzinger]

Bennet is a player that’s living off draft position. He’s a replacement level 3C.

Doesn’t make him horrible, but the Leafs have no need for that type of player.

 

[Saekk]

The first thing i wonder after the mindless horde is, how does this dude still have posting rights in here?

 

[LeafGrief]

That 4 goal game? Occasional near PPG streaks? He’s shown flashes of high level play. Needs consistency though.

He had 11 points in the final 48 games of the regular season last year. He's put up 26 points two years in a row, over 81 and 82 games. His flashes of brilliance and fortnight of PPG are the only thing that make him an NHL quality contributor, 20 point guys (like Josh Jooris and his hat trick) get waived.

 

[Taytro]

That 4 goal game? Occasional near PPG streaks? He’s shown flashes of high level play. Needs consistency though.

I wouldnt say "near ppg streaks" is indicative of an elite player. Almost every NHL player goes on point streaks. Zach Kassian has gone on point per game streaks.

His 4 goal game (which happened after an 18 game goalless streak) had what I would consider 1 high skill goal. He mishandled the puck on one goal and then 2 goals where his teammates set him up. Good positioning is a huge part of hockey but that game does not demonstrate his potential, elite ability, or anything of the like. It definitely shouldn't be used as your example for flashes of excellence, I think every NHL forward would be capable of scoring each of those goals.

 

[CapnZin]

The value is not completely far off, but this is one the flames say no to. TOR should jump on this. Brown is nothing to gawk over, but he’s your B6 workhorse. Bennett brings grit and that is needed for a playoff team like TOR. This past postseason for TOR showed some scary signs of immaturity from top players not wanting to take a hit to make a play or not chasing pucks in the corner because of the physical battles (Nylander especially). As they get older, that stuff will go away. Nothing to get too concerned about unless it continues.

Bennett’s intangibles make him worth more than Brown + 2nd, but you’re not far off. Based off of your previous trades, this one isn’t bad. Everyone loves to look at raw stats because it’s (trying not to troll or be mean) like arguing for dummies- I’m sorry, I just don’t know how to word it any differently. Sure they mean a whole lot, but there’s so much more to the game than that.

Flames are hoping for Bennett to pull a Sean couturier. Until that time happens, you should expect proposals like Brown + 2nd. Flames also need to utilize him more effectively. If you add a 3rd to the 2nd, I don’t see how CGY can say no. It also seems a little too much just to add grit for TOR.

 

[AK87]

Sometime's I'm not sure if Calgary games even get played in Ontario.

They do but are on very late at night

 

[ACC1224]

To Flames
Brown
2nd rd pick

To Leafs
Bennett

Brown has little value, can't see the incentive for the Flames here.

 

[BAM]

I get that. Do all top 10 picks end up being 100 point players? No they don’t.
My point is that Bennett could end up being a 50-60 point guy with grit.

People think that Flames fan see him as a 80-100 point guy. Doubt many of us think he turns into that.

considering the fact that he can't even break 30 points in the past 2 years I wouldn't get ahead of myself as hope he ends up at 50-60 points. Connor Brown could also turn into a 50-60 point player, the chances of that happening however are slim to none.

 

[BlueBaron]

Bennett isn’t amazing but he’s better than Connor friggin Brown and he is a former top draft pick who has shown flashes of excellence.

Except he's not. People take draft position too seriously.

Scoring	Goals	Assists	Shots	Ice Time
Season	Age	Tm	Lg	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	EV	PP	SH	S	S%	TSA	TOI	ATOI	FOW	FOL	FO%	BLK	HIT	TK	GV	Awards
2014-15	18	CGY	NHL	1	0	1	1	-1	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	0.0	5	16	16:00	2	10	16.7	0	0	2	0
2015-16	19	CGY	NHL	77	18	18	36	-11	37	15	3	0	2	13	5	0	136	13.2	240	1166	15:09	160	187	46.1	32	110	34	27
2016-17	20	CGY	NHL	81	13	13	26	-16	75	9	4	0	0	12	0	1	122	10.7	215	1214	14:59	374	437	46.1	46	127	43	25
2017-18	21	CGY	NHL	82	11	15	26	-18	59	10	1	0	1	13	2	0	157	7.0	293	1181	14:24	119	100	54.3	34	140	54	32
Career		4 Seasons	NHL	241	42	47	89	-46	171	34	8	0	3	39	7	1	416	10.1	753	3577	14:51	655	734	47.2	112	377	133	84

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Scoring	Goals	Assists	Shots	Ice Time
Season	Age	Tm	Lg	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	EV	PP	SH	S	S%	TSA	TOI	ATOI	FOW	FOL	FO%	BLK	HIT	TK	GV	Awards
2015-16	22	TOR	NHL	7	1	5	6	-2	0	0	1	0	0	1	3	1	11	9.1	20	105	14:58	0	0		2	1	4	0
2016-17	23	TOR	NHL	82	20	16	36	3	10	17	2	1	4	12	4	0	139	14.4	249	1329	16:12	2	6	25.0	46	50	40	25
2017-18	24	TOR	NHL	82	14	14	28	0	18	12	1	1	2	13	1	0	119	11.8	203	1231	15:01	59	93	38.8	28	23	45	26
Career		3 Seasons	NHL	171	35	35	70	1	28	29	4	2	6	26	8	1	269	13.0	472	2665	15:35	61	99	38.1	76	74	89	51

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[Volica]

I don’t think he’s welcome to go on the PK though.

Bennett plays the PK. He's on the second unit. And a really good PKer; actually.

 

[Volica]

I'd like to know about these flashes of excellence. From what I've seen he's shown flashes of mediocrity, he could be a very useful mid/bottom 6 NHL player for a while but he absolutely hasn't shown he can play the game at an elite level. Very similar to Connor Brown.

Yeah. From what you've seen. Your 2 games when the Leafs play the Flames?

There was a 10-15 game stretch last year Sam Bennett was our best player. When he was playing with Jankowski/Jagr (the most NHL caliber teammates he's had in two years) and then Hathaway switched in for Jagr; the guy was going near PPG and just a dominant force.

I feel for this kid, because he won't live up to being a 4th OA; but he's a super useful player who could easily pan out into a 40-50 point two-way player. He's still very young, and has shown at minimum he's a 3LW with grit. People forget how young he is, because of how much they want him to bust. He's current going to be the same age as Brown was when he played his rookie season in the NHL.

 

[Rebels57]

Methinks leafs fans here are sleeping on Sammy B

Brown has outproduced him the last 2 seasons with less ice time.

Please enlighten us.

 

[DJJones]

The value is not completely far off, but this is one the flames say no to. TOR should jump on this. Brown is nothing to gawk over, but he’s your B6 workhorse. Bennett brings grit and that is needed for a playoff team like TOR. This past postseason for TOR showed some scary signs of immaturity from top players not wanting to take a hit to make a play or not chasing pucks in the corner because of the physical battles (Nylander especially). As they get older, that stuff will go away. Nothing to get too concerned about unless it continues.

Bennett’s intangibles make him worth more than Brown + 2nd, but you’re not far off. Based off of your previous trades, this one isn’t bad. Everyone loves to look at raw stats because it’s (trying not to troll or be mean) like arguing for dummies- I’m sorry, I just don’t know how to word it any differently. Sure they mean a whole lot, but there’s so much more to the game than that.

Flames are hoping for Bennett to pull a Sean couturier. Until that time happens, you should expect proposals like Brown + 2nd. Flames also need to utilize him more effectively. If you add a 3rd to the 2nd, I don’t see how CGY can say no. It also seems a little too much just to add grit for TOR.

Why would a 3rd change Calgary's mind? Worst case he's an effective cost controlled middle six winger that can play anywhere and the type of player you love to have on your team. That's a valuable player to have, not indispensable or anything but he helps the team. Add in the fact that he's getting stronger, his defensive game is improving continually, his PK game is solid and also improving, and once every ten games or so he's the best player on the ice. His floor is valuable and his ceiling is very high. There's no reason whatsoever to trade him for a 2nd or 3rd.

I don't know why he's inconsistent, I don't know what's going on in his head or if he'll ever figure it out. But if that one in ten game performance turns into a one in four game, we hit the jackpot. Even if he doesn't figure it out and just becomes an all around solid 3rd liner/PK specialist that every once in a while plays spectacularly. Who cares, that still helps the team and he'll be cheap for a long time.