Aside maybe from Prust and Tinordi, sometimes Moen (when he feels like it), who exactly in that line-up is at an advantage during a scrum? Why pick on our best goals' scorer in the last few years instead of someone who doesn't put up those numbers?
With Gionta maybe we just have to wait it out. Hes a health question mark so his trade value is too low. And he's also a pretty respected captain of a team that has some of the best chemistry in the league last year. Still, the three tiny forwards in the top nine is a problem. Gallagher should be the only one with a future here in the top six and that will look better when Giontas deal ends and be gets a handshake and a thanks but no thanks. The problem is our saviour GM for some reason gave a long deal to a soft unproven forward after one good season. This team gave Koivu one year deals but gives Desharnais term. He should have gotten one year, 2-2.5. Where was the hardball like he played with Subban?
Anyways for next year the team will have the smallest RW in the NHL but should be productive until they crumble in the playoffs under injuries, physical play from normal sized players.
Bourque - Plekanec - Gionta
Pacioretty - Eller - Deshanrnais
Prust - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
... is a lineup full of talented players but going nowhere until those 1st and 2nd RW are nasty, fast, physical players.
There's this illusion that less size equals more injuries, as if players break down because they're not big enough. Untrue. Yes, Gionta was hurt. But aside from him, our injured guys included Pacioretty, Bourque, Prust, Emelin and Eller - all big guys.
Meanwhile, Gallagher and Desharnais stayed healthy and strong.
Size is important, but only in terms of bigger players being able to clear away the other guys from our net and be immovable rebound machines in front of the other team's net. Size wins games by functioning within a offensive/defensive system, not because big guys are harder to injure and can beat you up.
I somewhat agree with you, but I don't think that's entirely the case. I think there's something to be said for the team needing many more strong, physical players plugged into the lineup in many areas. I want s playoff team not one that excels in February. Bourque is the only intimidating regular with top six skill and they nearly lost him for the year. The guys on this team that are supposed to play that way straight up don't. There is such an obvious lack of a big forward on the top six especially after Cole turned into Ryder turned into nothing presently.
It would be nice to see a roster full of collective team toughness and strength for once instead of watching the few physical players on the team try but get get overworked. Desharnais and Gionta in the top six for a whole season is disastrous against a physical playoff defence. The other team in the East will work hard to improve their weaknesses while Bergevin signs a #7 defenceman to be Therrien's #4 and a beer league scoring leader to a four year deal.
It's alright to have some small players, even some "soft" players but they should be the exception whereas on the Habs they are the norm.
Kinda' sounds like we're saying the same thing. I want to add more physical players for the same reason you do: To win games in the playoffs. The only thing that changes in the playoffs -- as we're seeing -- is the refs back off further and further from the rulebook and let the bar for borderline hits sink lower and lower. Basically, if the cops have deserted their posts and it's mob-rules, I want the Habs to give as good as they get. For that we need more size. Again, I don't think adding those extra pounds and inches will prevent injuries, but I want those extra pounds and inches on our mob to counter the incursions from other team's mob. For me, it's all about functional-size that prevents scoring chances on us and creates chances on them.
See, if it's all about the playoffs it's ironic that we're drooling over UFAs like Nathan Horton and Ryan Clowe, who have been compromised during the playoffs because of chronic injuries. Big & tough often has nothing to do with durable.
Now Bickell is another story!
Exactly my point. It's something that needs to be fixed. And we don't need to be the biggest team, but do we always have to be pushed around the way we've been?Aside maybe from Prust and Tinordi, sometimes Moen (when he feels like it), who exactly in that line-up is at an advantage during a scrum?
Well, I would've gotten rid of DD but that's not an option as we just signed him for four years. Gallagher isn't going anywhere. That leaves Plecs and Gionta. Gionta's older, at the end of his deal and would bring something in return. We're not dealing Plecs anyway so what else do we do here?Why pick on our best goals' scorer in the last few years instead of someone who doesn't put up those numbers?
Well, I would've gotten rid of DD but that's not an option as we just signed him for four years. Gallagher isn't going anywhere. That leaves Plecs and Gionta. Gionta's older, at the end of his deal and would bring something in return. We're not dealing Plecs anyway so what else do we do here?
We can't just keep going back to the well with the same group. We're too small. It's a fact. MB knows it, so do the fans. We won't win this way. Sometimes you have to make hard choices and this is one of them. Time to close the chapter and move on. Like I said, it was a mistake to sign all those guys to begin with. All we did was postpone the rebuild, lose McDonaugh and waste five years in the process. No reason to continue with this. Turn the page and move on already.
Cole wasn't signed by MB.For the all the talk about how we can't continue being this small with 3 "smurfs" in the top-9 people tend to forget that we were the 3rd highest scoring team last year with those 3 smurfs. It's obviously not ideal to have that many smaller players but it's not the end of the world either.
It's more important that we get the right fit then it is to get rid of a small player. I'd rather start the season with those 3 guys then overpay in money/years for a big guy that ends up only scoring 15 goals a season.
Also I wouldn't take it as fact that Desharnais is here to stay new deal or not. MB didn't hesitate to send Cole packing after he came off a 35 goal season so if Desharnais struggles badly then I have no doubt Bergevin will try to deal him.
Cole wasn't signed by MB.
And again, the playoffs are called totally differently. That's why a guy like Pronger would lead his teams to the finals year after year. Whistles go away and teams with size benefit from it.
Look at the Chicago Bruins series. Not a whole lot of nifty passing plays... just guys standing in front of the net paying the price to score. Rebounds, screenings, deflections... Chicago was looking out of it until Toews decided to pay the price out there in front of Chara and then they're up in the series.
Individually our smaller players are good. But it's about balance and we need more of it. We just added another smurf now in Gallagher. No way we get rid of him so what do we do? We've got another guy we need to protect now. We have to get bigger overall.
Shot% is 12.5, his best since 2006-7.
Among our top-6 shooters, only Gallagher is better (12.8).
Also Desharnais and Ryder both did better than 15% but they shot less.
So basically, you could have said the same about MaxPac, Plekanec, Eller and Galchenyuk.
Bobby Ryan is out there and available, big scorer who can put up 30 goals a year. We should be all over this guy. (We should've been all over him as a prospect but that's another story.) We're looking at secondary scorers man, it's not that hard to replace. Gionta goes the other way and we package somebody or something with him. Ryan's not a power forward, he's not a tough guy but at least he's at least somewhat big. We need more big in our lineup.I know it's not common for people to get traded shortly after the GM signs them but it's not unheard of either. Bergevin doesn't seem like the person that would let his ego get in the way of doing the right thing. But admittedly that's more my gut feeling than anything else.
As far as Gionta goes, he fits your description of playoff hockey. His size doesn't stop him from producing in the playoffs, people always remember Cammy's playoff heroics on our run to the ECF and forget that Gionta was scoring a lot as well.
We added Gallagher last season and as I said we were 3rd in scoring. He's another guy that fits your description of what it takes to win in the playoffs.
If the idea is too get players who go drive the net and are willing to pay the price then I'm keeping guys like Gionta and Gallagher. If you replace Gionta with a guy whose bigger but is only going to score 15 goals next season then we will take a step back. We should try and get bigger but we can't sacrifice too much skill in doing so.
Getting Pacioretty to drive the net instead of playing on the perimeter would do a lot more to help our scoring in the playoffs then anything we can do via UFA. Hopefully his perimeter play last season was caused by nagging injuries and a condensed schedule.
Bobby Ryan is out there and available, big scorer who can put up 30 goals a year. We should be all over this guy. (We should've been all over him as a prospect but that's another story.) We're looking at secondary scorers man, it's not that hard to replace. Gionta goes the other way and we package somebody or something with him. Ryan's not a power forward, he's not a tough guy but at least he's big. We need more big in our lineup.
Nobody is saying Gionta sucks. We just need to get bigger and he's the one who's the most likely to go. So maximize the asset and move on.
It wouldn't be Ryan for Gionta man... not a chance.I have no problems trading Gionta for Ryan but it doesn't sound very realistic.
Lafleurs Guy has it, and I think I haven't been expressing myself all that clearly.
I think Gionta is an okay hockey player at this stage of his career. But for his use, contract and position, he's an awful fit for the Habs. We can't just horde every player that can play okay - Gio is one of two smurfs too many and the other was just extended. He's got to go.
He's got to go because we're too small overall. If you don't agree on this point then there's nothing to talk about.I don't see why "He's got to go". If we can get an upgrade then by all means look to move him. But if you think we have too many small players to score then how to you explain finishing 3rd overall in Goals For last year?
You missed the point. There's nothing quite like seeing Gionta entering the zone full speed on the wing and slapping a puck directly in the goalie's logo.
He's got to go because we're too small overall. If you don't agree on this point then there's nothing to talk about.
I think it's pretty clear that we're too small, have been for a long time. We've got to fix this problem if we want to win anything. If you think we can win with the players we have in this lineup as is, that's fine. But I (and I think most here) think we need to get bigger up front. To get bigger some smaller players have to move.
Gionta's the path of least resistance to move so he's it.
I'm not sure what else you need explained here.
Really? How much do you pay a 25-30 goals' scorer who's defensively responsible, especially one who was entitled to free agency? Look around the league, you'll see.Lafleurs Guy has it, and I think I haven't been expressing myself all that clearly.
I think Gionta is an okay hockey player at this stage of his career. But for his use, contract and position, he's an awful fit for the Habs. We can't just horde every player that can play okay - Gio is one of two smurfs too many and the other was just extended. He's got to go.
Ryan makes about the same that Gionta does...Really? How much do you pay a 25-30 goals' scorer who's defensively responsible, especially one who was entitled to free agency? Look around the league, you'll see.
It's simple, you trade him.