Value of: Brett Pesce

[Stickpucker]

Canes don't really need a RW have TT, Svechnikov, and Williams.

Center is obviously preferable or maybe a LW. But Foegele, Ferland, and Zykov aren't bad options. Aho also....if he doesn't play C long term for an unknown reason.

 

[Crazydounut]

Carolina absolutely does not add. It’s equal or leafs add. This is a top pair righty D vs. a butter soft, gutless winger. Cmon, man.

Wooof. Harsh words about a hockey player. Coming from a guy behind a keyboard

 

[tony d]

Nylander for Pesce makes sense to me. Carolina probably has to add though.

 

[Chan790]

Nylander for Pesce makes sense to me. Carolina probably has to add though.

Carolina doesn't do it...maybe unless that plus is on the other side, value be damned.

 

[FelixPotvin29]

I’m all for

Pesce plus a pick
For
Nylander plus a D

Gives the Leafs a significant upgrade to their back end, helps solve their cap issues and shopping for a deadline winger will be easier than a top 4.

Not sure how much it helps Carolina but it improves their offence and I truly see Nylander as a 1RW or 2C. Also they get get a reasonable defenceman back in trade as well.

 

[Unsustainable]

I’m all for

Pesce plus a pick
For
Nylander plus a D

Gives the Leafs a significant upgrade to their back end, helps solve their cap issues and shopping for a deadline winger will be easier than a top 4.

Not sure how much it helps Carolina but it improves their offence and I truly see Nylander as a 1RW or 2C. Also they get get a reasonable defenceman back in trade as well.

We wouldn’t need a D back.

We have Fox, McKeown, and Martin in line on the right side

 

[MinJaBen]

Pesce plus a pick
For
Nylander plus a D

Sending a D back to us is akin to a cap/contract dump. Unless that defender is so much better than what we already have, it is a negative. We don't need D, especially RHD.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Aho looks comfortable at 1/2C, Staal is in midseason form, Wallmark is anchoring the 4th line well, and Necas is still trying to find his game but looks like he can play a good 200ft game.

Our lineup down the middle looks fine right now, I wouldn't trade Pesce for Nylamder at this point without a sweetener coming from Toronto.

We don't even know what Nylander will be at, too many unanswered questions at this time to warrant moving one of our 3 high end right defensemen.

Carolina doesn't do it...maybe unless that plus is on the other side, value be damned.

I don’t see the point in demanding a sweetener in a deal like this. You’re either willing to move Nylander for Pesce or you aren’t. What difference does some little throw-in make?

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Nylander is a top line winger. That’s worth less than a top pair D. Disagree?

You basically called Nylander a gutless punk and left out the first line winger part conveniently. It depends how you view Pesce, is he a top pair defender on a strong team or on Carolina specifically. Ron Hainsey is on the Leafs top pair, it sure as heck doesn't make him a top pairing D around the league.

 

[Kamiccolo]

I will not comment on this trade even though it has been discussed quite a bit already on both team boards, but I just had to chime in..

.. Under no circumstance should Faulk be the trade target for Toronto. This is a guy who badly needs a change of scenery not a top 4 D. It's possible that he could rebound, but even then at a best case scenario it's another offensive PP Dman. So unless Toronto thinks he can rebound AND is a good replacement for Gardiner on the right side, then I don't think there should be a deal there. Faulk has been really bad.

 

[Roboturner913]

Before Aho started played like a boss at 1C, I would've said the Canes definitely need to acquire Nylander and extend an overpayment at that. (in fact I'm pretty sure I said that exact thing on the Canes board)

I would still acquire Nylander, but not at the expense of Pesce. He's simply not as much of a "need" as he was at this time two weeks ago.

 

[Scott Stevens]

You basically called Nylander a gutless punk and left out the first line winger part conveniently. It depends how you view Pesce, is he a top pair defender on a strong team or on Carolina specifically. Ron Hainsey is on the Leafs top pair, it sure as heck doesn't make him a top pairing D around the league.

There’s no convenient this and that. My words don’t affect the actual dealings so I won’t be trying to convince anyone of anything. Just saying what I feel.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

You basically called Nylander a gutless punk and left out the first line winger part conveniently. It depends how you view Pesce, is he a top pair defender on a strong team or on Carolina specifically. Ron Hainsey is on the Leafs top pair, it sure as heck doesn't make him a top pairing D around the league.

Have you seen Carolina’s defense? It’s probably the other way around from what you’re saying. He’s a legit top 4 guy at least (I’d say an average 2 or a great 3), but less on Carolina because our defense is so deep.

 

[CheMxDawG]

I don’t see the point in demanding a sweetener in a deal like this. You’re either willing to move Nylander for Pesce or you aren’t. What difference does some little throw-in make?

I'm not willing to move Pesce at this time for Nylander unless it's an absolute win for us. We don't have to move Pesce, we aren't desperate for whatever Nylander brings to the table. We don't need to make this trade.

Let's revisit this when we have a contract and some more games under our belt.

 

[BAM]

Have you seen Carolina’s defense? It’s probably the other way around from what you’re saying. He’s a legit top 4 guy at least (I’d say an average 2 or a great 3), but less on Carolina because our defense is so deep.

Nylander for Pesce would have the Leafs looking like this on the back end

Rielly-Pesce
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Dermott-Hainsey

That's something that I can live with for a team with cup aspirations imo.

And up front with Nylander gone.

Marleau-Matthews-Kapanen
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Johnsson-Kadri-Leivo
Brown-Lindholm-Ennis

 

[bleedgreen]

I’d honestly rather have Pesce than Nylander. If we’re gonna pay that salary I’d rather it be down the middle. I also like Marner better anyways.

 

[BB88]

That’s not exactly the dynamic here. We’ve got Aho who’s a flexible C/W, Staal who’s a checking 2C, and Necas who is theoretically a C but looks like he should be at wing. That’s messy. Aho-Nylander-Staal is simple.

Also, saying Nylander’s simply a winger is like saying Aho’s Simply a winger.

Nylander& Aho are completely different players though and Aho is 1.5 years younger than Nylander.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Nylander& Aho are completely different players though and Aho is 1.5 years younger than Nylander.

That's not what I mean. He's saying "replace a center with a winger" as if Nylander is locked in as a winger forever and has no chance of being a center. It ignores that he played center for stretches of last season, that he look 650 faceoffs (and won most of them), that the Leafs were reportedly planning to give him a long look at center this season. That's pretty much where the Canes were with Aho coming into this season, and nobody thinks of him as just a winger right now.

 

[GoldiFox]

I will not comment on this trade even though it has been discussed quite a bit already on both team boards, but I just had to chime in..

.. Under no circumstance should Faulk be the trade target for Toronto. This is a guy who badly needs a change of scenery not a top 4 D. It's possible that he could rebound, but even then at a best case scenario it's another offensive PP Dman. So unless Toronto thinks he can rebound AND is a good replacement for Gardiner on the right side, then I don't think there should be a deal there. Faulk has been really bad.

Faulk badly needs a change of scenery? He and his 2nd pairing partner De Haan are at the top of the league for 5v5 GF - GA (+4 and +5). Faulk has been great this year.

If anything, the only reason that Pesce *might* be considered expendable is because Faulk has played well.

 

[BAM]

That's not what I mean. He's saying "replace a center with a winger" as if Nylander is locked in as a winger forever and has no chance of being a center. It ignores that he played center for stretches of last season, that he look 650 faceoffs (and won most of them), that the Leafs were reportedly planning to give him a long look at center this season. That's pretty much where the Canes were with Aho coming into this season, and nobody thinks of him as just a winger right now.

Thank you for preaching what most Leaf fans say regarding Nylander, he's a natural center, he just has no shot of being one here. Pretty similar to the Seguin situation in Boston before he got traded.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

I think it makes sense for Both teams. Canes can roll Aho/Nylander/Staal as there top three centres, or play Willy/Aho on the wing. This improves their offence substantially.

Pesce would be more valuable to the Leafs than the Canes, as they have 2 pretty good RHD in Hamilton and Faulk, as well as TVR who can step in on the third pair.

I dont think a small add is necessary from either side, the value is close enough, and both GM's would have to bet on they guy they are adding

Marleau - Matthews - Kapanen
Hyman - - Tavares - - Marner
______ - - - Kadri - - - Brown
Ennis/Johnsson - Par - Leivo

(**add a LW via trade using our 1st rdp ++)

Rielly - Pesce
Jake - Zaistev
Dermott - Hainsey/Ozhiganov/Borgman/Marincin

 

[shortfuze]

This whole value of a Pesce thread feels like it was a set up for another Nylander thread.

 

[BB88]

That's not what I mean. He's saying "replace a center with a winger" as if Nylander is locked in as a winger forever and has no chance of being a center. It ignores that he played center for stretches of last season, that he look 650 faceoffs (and won most of them), that the Leafs were reportedly planning to give him a long look at center this season. That's pretty much where the Canes were with Aho coming into this season, and nobody thinks of him as just a winger right now.

I just don't see the style he plays transfer as well into a longterm C, in a top6 role.

Again he and Aho play 2 very different games.

Aho- Svec
Necas-TT
Top6, no need to mess with it this time.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Faulk badly needs a change of scenery? He and his 2nd pairing partner De Haan are at the top of the league for 5v5 GF - GA (+4 and +5). Faulk has been great this year.

If anything, the only reason that Pesce *might* be considered expendable is because Faulk has played well.

Yeah and honestly I think that just shows you how great of a D De Haan is and how he can bring such a stabilizing presence to the blue line. Faulk is someone I have never liked honestly but over the past year or so he has entered a new realm of bad IMO.

 

[blinkman360]

Create a Brett Pesce thread for Leafs fans to discuss whether or not a 23 year old, mobile 6'3" top-4 RHD signed for the next 6 years at $4 million per year would be a suitable return for their winger that won't sign. Gee, I wonder if this absolutely ideal return for the Leafs short-term, mid-term, and long-term needs would be enough or if Carolina should add more.

He's pretty much everything they need. I just think the Hall/Larsson deal has them a bit scurred.