Value of: Brett Pesce

[Kent Nilsson]

Canes arent trading Pesce for holdout Nylander.

 

[Cane mutiny]

Leafs would probably do better to look elsewhere for a Nylander - defenseman trade. Pesce's a good young defender on a great contract, which will be important to CAR as they have to start paying all their young forwards. Also the biggest need for CAR is to aquire a proven center. No need to sacrifice on defence for another winger right now. Also not sure Hamilton will be as long term as Pesce.

 

[Confucius]

Leafs would probably do better to look elsewhere for a Nylander - defenseman trade. Pesce's a good young defender on a great contract, which will be important to CAR as they have to start paying all their young forwards. Also the biggest need for CAR is to aquire a proven center. No need to sacrifice on defence for another winger right now. Also not sure Hamilton will be as long term as Pesce.

Fine we'll take Dougie instead.

 

[Cane mutiny]

Fine we'll take Dougie instead.

Not exactly what I meant ... Losing Pesce to a trade, and then Dougie, would deplete our defence too much, even with young Fox coming in. Too expensive for a winger.

 

[DRW204]

Is Carolina willing to pay Nylander though? Pesces contract will be a major boon if acquired by the Leafs, its less than Kadri lol

 

[Fogelhund]

Canes arent trading Pesce for holdout Nylander.

Agreed, there would be no deal to be made, until there is a contract complete. No matter which team Toronto is dealing with, Nylander's value is currently undertermined.

Nylander at $6.5 vs. Nylander at $8.5 have completely different values... though I'm guessing it's going to end up being more like 2-3 years at $4.5-5 million at this point.

It does seem, as though some of those Leafs fans, that at one point would come to any thread, and shout, Leafs will never trade Nylander, have gone silent.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Agreed, there would be no deal to be made, until there is a contract complete. No matter which team Toronto is dealing with, Nylander's value is currently undertermined.

Nylander at $6.5 vs. Nylander at $8.5 have completely different values... though I'm guessing it's going to end up being more like 2-3 years at $4.5-5 million at this point.

I really don't think the Leafs are underpaying Nylander in their contract negotiations. But for sure, other teams don't want to a parachute in an overpaid UFA. It is not possible that Carolina would overpay for Nylander when next year they have Aho and Teravainen up for their RFA contracts. Other teams have upcoming RFAs to be signed and I betcha those clubs are secretly supporting to the Leafs that Nylander should get paid the "going rate", which might be 6.5m long term.

 

[emptyNedder]

To answer the original question: More than even the Canes understand. Slavin and Hamilton get the attention, but I have gone on record before as saying Pesce will be their equal by the end of the season. He has started to show serious offensive skills--a good shot and excellent puck-handling. He is already defensively better than Hamilton and very close to Slavin.

The bottom line is if Pesce is traded, the other team will win the trade (especially given his great contract).

 

[RogerRoger]

To answer the original question: More than even the Canes understand. Slavin and Hamilton get the attention, but I have gone on record before as saying Pesce will be their equal by the end of the season. He has started to show serious offensive skills--a good shot and excellent puck-handling. He is already defensively better than Hamilton and very close to Slavin.

The bottom line is if Pesce is traded, the other team will win the trade (especially given his great contract).

I don't think he's better than Hamilton yet.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't think he's better than Hamilton yet.

Defensively he is. Not even close offensively though.

 

[shortfuze]

So is Nylander for Pesce fair? I’m hearing that Canes fans would take this deal or is that inaccurate?

Sounds like this value deal of pesce was just a way to include Nylander

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

toronto Fans asking for Pesce but can't offer Nylander or Kapanen as main piece...

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Pesce at his current level of play, upward trajectory, and insanely team friendly contract make him an incredibly valuable asset. Same with Slavin. Canes have their top pair locked up for 6 years (7 in the case of Slavin) for less than $10 mil AAV. To get either of those guys out of Carolina it would take a 'Can't say No' type of offer.

 

[wintersej]

I really don't think the Leafs are underpaying Nylander in their contract negotiations. But for sure, other teams don't want to a parachute in an overpaid UFA. It is not possible that Carolina would overpay for Nylander when next year they have Aho and Teravainen up for their RFA contracts. Other teams have upcoming RFAs to be signed and I betcha those clubs are secretly supporting to the Leafs that Nylander should get paid the "going rate", which might be 6.5m long term.

I think that 6.5 might be a tad low given the cap went up so much, but your main thrust that Carolina won't set any new ceilings for RFAs when they have Aho (who is better than Nylander) and TT up is very spot on.

 

[dirty stanchion]

Carolina absolutely does not add. It’s equal or leafs add. This is a top pair righty D vs. a butter soft, gutless winger. Cmon, man.

At a boy.

 

[GoldiFox]

Create a Brett Pesce thread for Leafs fans to discuss whether or not a 23 year old, mobile 6'3" top-4 RHD signed for the next 6 years at $4 million per year would be a suitable return for their winger that won't sign. Gee, I wonder if this absolutely ideal return for the Leafs short-term, mid-term, and long-term needs would be enough or if Carolina should add more.

 

[Confucius]

toronto Fans asking for Pesce but can't offer Nylander or Kapanen as main piece...

some of us would, its not close to unanimous either way. Sounds like a fair deal then.

 

[bluedevil58]

So is Nylander for Pesce fair? I’m hearing that Canes fans would take this deal or is that inaccurate?

No.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Personally I'd do Nylander for Pesce as a hockey trade, but I'm not sure the logistical concerns (= unsigned contract) can be worked out to make it happen in the real world.

A huge factor in all of this is how Martin Necas develops at center. He has struggled so far, and it's appealing to imagine moving him to the wing with Nylander coming in as the pivot. But if Necas gets comfortable in the middle of the ice, all of a sudden we have Aho-Staal-Necas and the idea of trading for Nylander gets a lot more complicated.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

toronto Fans asking for Pesce but can't offer Nylander or Kapanen as main piece...

Any deal for Pesce where Kapanen is the main piece doesnt even get off the ground.

 

[RogerRoger]

A huge factor in all of this is how Martin Necas develops at center. He has struggled so far, and it's appealing to imagine moving him to the wing with Nylander coming in as the pivot. But if Necas gets comfortable in the middle of the ice, all of a sudden we have Aho-Staal-Necas and the idea of trading for Nylander gets a lot more complicated.

You don't trade one of the best young dman in the league because you want to upgrade the third line center spot with a winger.

 

[FreshSeabass]

If kapanen is the piece leafs want to part with we can do Faulk for Kap + pick. Pesce for Nylander would really sting, id rather keep him, but still i think it would be fair.

 

[tarheelhockey]

You don't trade one of the best young dman in the league because you want to upgrade the third line center spot with a winger.

That’s not exactly the dynamic here. We’ve got Aho who’s a flexible C/W, Staal who’s a checking 2C, and Necas who is theoretically a C but looks like he should be at wing. That’s messy. Aho-Nylander-Staal is simple.

Also, saying Nylander’s simply a winger is like saying Aho’s Simply a winger.

 

[Sundinisagod]

If kapanen is the piece leafs want to part with we can do Faulk for Kap + pick. Pesce for Nylander would really sting, id rather keep him, but still i think it would be fair.

Maybe I missed it, but I don't think any Leaf fans are expecting to get Pesce for Kapanen. We'd be lucky to get Faulk for Kap +

 

[CheMxDawG]

Aho looks comfortable at 1/2C, Staal is in midseason form, Wallmark is anchoring the 4th line well, and Necas is still trying to find his game but looks like he can play a good 200ft game.

Our lineup down the middle looks fine right now, I wouldn't trade Pesce for Nylamder at this point without a sweetener coming from Toronto.

We don't even know what Nylander will be at, too many unanswered questions at this time to warrant moving one of our 3 high end right defensemen.