TSN: Bettman discusses LeBreton Flats, flatly denies Senators relocation question

[DaveMatthew]

It also happens when you're a team like the Leafs and continually try patching a team that's not fixable then trade kessel,phaneuf++ and it's not until rebuilding that they got better and more consistent.

If we had a solid core we would have been in the playoffs every season.

The first thing they did to rebuild was fire Burke + Nonis and brought in Shanahan + Lamoriello + Hunter + Dubas. Why don't we do the same?

 

[RaMai]

The first thing they did to rebuild was fire Burke + Nonis and brought in Shanahan + Lamoriello + Hunter + Dubas. Why don't we do the same?

$ (shortest answer ever!)

 

[Liver King]

If you cant get rid of the owner, at least force him to fire the clown of a GM we have

 

[solidprospect]

Yes he did. Dorion was named GM in 2016. The team failed in 2017. Previous to 2016, he was the assistant GM and involved in every major decision.

And why is one of the better people at doing that? He's never done it before. Like you said yourself, the young players he helped "stockpile" when he was head scout, assistant GM, and then GM, failed.

Most of the roster players were here based on BM's decisions.

Finding players has never been a problem here in the draft. But it's funny that you can get so worked up about all the players that have left and at the same time have no belief of us getting good players again, while being in a better draft position over the next several seasons.

 

[solidprospect]

The first thing they did to rebuild was fire Burke + Nonis and brought in Shanahan + Lamoriello + Hunter + Dubas. Why don't we do the same?

broken dressing room, turning the roster over and rebuilding

 

[umma gumma]

It also happens when you're a team like the Leafs and continually try patching a team that's not fixable then trade kessel,phaneuf++ and it's not until rebuilding that they got better and more consistent.

If we had a solid core we would have been in the playoffs every season.

Wrong!!! Its not until they put the right people in place to run things that they began to improve, something we're in desperate need of. And the Leafs never had a core like Ottawa's during the Kessel years.

 

[solidprospect]

Wrong!!! Its not until they put the right people in place to run things that they began to improve, something we're in desperate need of. And the Leafs never had a core like Ottawa's during the Kessel years.

Rebuilding is what did it more than anyone they hired. A rocket scientist doesn't need to make the team finish last place, win a lottery and pick Auston Matthews.

 

[supsens]

$ (shortest answer ever!)

They also have to want to live in the area no? It’s easy to say hire someone, they also have a choice in where they want to live and work

 

[bert]

Rebuilding is what did it more than anyone they hired. A rocket scientist doesn't need to make the team finish last place, win a lottery and pick Auston Matthews.

Hunh.... Massive over simplification.You have to be able to retain the talent and keep the core in tact as well. Clearly this management group is incapable of that.

The oilers have Mcdavid and Draisaitl and rebuilt and they are still terrible. It clearly takes strong organizational infrastructure player development, veterans that can teach the youth and a strong culture.

Wrong!!! Its not until they put the right people in place to run things that they began to improve, something we're in desperate need of. And the Leafs never had a core like Ottawa's during the Kessel years.

Exactly this team had a strong core they just went to the ECF they should have been more patient and built around the talent.

The 'rebuild' happened because they werent going to pay all the players that were coming up for new contracts. Its a fire sale if you cant tell the difference I dont know what to tell you.

 

[solidprospect]

Hunh.... Massive over simplification.You have to be able to retain the talent and keep the core in tact as well. Clearly this management group is incapable of that.

The oilers have Mcdavid and Draisaitl and rebuilt and they are still terrible. It clearly takes strong organizational infrastructure player development, veterans that can teach the youth and a strong culture.

Easier to retain talent when you feel like your team can actually win something, obviously they showed they weren't and management as well as all the guys who left, had the same feeling.

 

[bert]

Easier to retain talent when you feel like your team can actually win something, obviously they showed they weren't and management as well as all the guys who left, had the same feeling.

Once they got rid of everyone.... They were a shot away from going to the SCF. Karlsson is a generational player if he isnt the type of player you build around what is? Stone is a top 10 winger in the game he isnt good enough to build around? Its SO OBVIOUS that it was a fire sale because they owner wouldnt pay to keep the elite players on this team.

Same with the Zibanejad trade, same with losing Methot in expansion.

If you buy this horse manuer being shoveled at you thats fine by me but it doesnt take much deductive reasoning to see whats actually happening here.

 

[branch]

It also happens when you're a team like the Leafs and continually try patching a team that's not fixable then trade kessel,phaneuf++ and it's not until rebuilding that they got better and more consistent.

If we had a solid core we would have been in the playoffs every season.

Why did you ignore my laundry list of things this team f***ed up?

 

[solidprospect]

Once they got rid of everyone.... They were a shot away from going to the SCF. Karlsson is a generational player if he isnt the type of player you build around what is? Stone is a top 10 winger in the game he isnt good enough to build around? Its SO OBVIOUS that it was a fire sale because they owner wouldnt pay to keep the elite players on this team.

Same with the Zibanejad trade, same with losing Methot in expansion.

If you buy this horse manuer being shoveled at you thats fine by me but it doesnt take much deductive reasoning to see whats actually happening here.

Am not going to regurgitate anything I've said other than that this team wasn't close to winning anything before players were traded.We even traded for Duchene and got worse.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

SAVE US BATMAN

 

[Micklebot]

Am not going to regurgitate anything I've said other than that this team wasn't close to winning anything before players were traded.We even traded for Duchene and got worse.

Remember those quotes by Anderson and Boro about the team not adapting when other teams figured out their system? Hmm.... maybe that had something to do with it.

 

[Deku]

Why did you ignore my laundry list of things this team ****ed up?

He would just defend or provide excuses for 99% of them anyway.

 

[solidprospect]

Remember those quotes by Anderson and Boro about the team not adapting when other teams figured out their system? Hmm.... maybe that had something to do with it.

Could be, but if it happens with every coach we hire, our team with so many stars missed the playoffs simply because of coaching too many times before the players had to change or even think about changing them.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

The whole problem is that management/ownership is actually the one to blame for the 2017-18 season more than the players they tried to place the blame on. They had their excuses lined up before they even began the financially motivated fire sale.

 

[Micklebot]

Easier to retain talent when you feel like your team can actually win something, obviously they showed they weren't and management as well as all the guys who left, had the same feeling.

The team went to the ECF and then saw MacArthur and Methot leave with management not even considering replacing them with equal or even similar talent.

The team showed no commitment to the players that took them three rounds and lined the teams coffers.

The players saw management ignore obvious signs the coaches message had gone stale, and his tactics had been figured out.

They then saw a teammate traded who openly stated he believed the GM and hockey ops wanted to keep him, but ownership had other ideas.

The reason the team has troubles retaining players runs far, far, far deeper than lost games.

 

[Deku]

The team easily could've been re-tooled around the core that we had. There was no effort put in to actually fixing anything when things started to go south after the Duchene trade. Management just let everything spiral out of control.

• Goaltending was godawful - no attempt to fix that.
• Defense was atrocious without Methot - their best attempt was getting an over-the-hill Johnny f***ing Oduya, and despite it being clear that he should not have been playing more than 3rd pairing minutes, nothing else done to help improve defense.
• Our bottom 6 was trash due to it being filled with scrubs like Dumont, Burrows, Pyatt. Not much of an attempt to fix that.
• No replacement for MacArthur was ever acquired either
• The players seemed to quit on the coach and his system had been completely exposed - instead of trying to fix that we kept him for another 2 years.

These are the reasons stopped winning. It was not the core's fault and did not require a rebuild.

 

[Micklebot]

Could be, but if it happens with every coach we hire, our team with so many stars missed the playoffs simply because of coaching too many times before the players had to change or even think about changing them.

Can you name one of our coaches that has gone on to get hired by another team as a HC? No? Wonder why that is.

Maybe, just maybe, it happens to every coach we hire because we're hiring from the giant tiger discount bin.

 

[solidprospect]

Good teams don't miss the playoffs because of a gm or coach. We probably missed because they were not that good of a team.

 

[solidprospect]

Can you name one of our coaches that has gone on to get hired by another team as a HC? No? Wonder why that is.

Maybe, just maybe, it happens to every coach we hire because we're hiring from the giant tiger discount bin.

I remember making the playoffs the year after hiring most of them and then each of them fizzling out.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Good teams don't miss the playoffs because of a gm or coach. They probably missed because they were not that good of a team.

Go look at the 2009 Pens and 2012 Kings to see what coaching can do.

 

[bert]

Am not going to regurgitate anything I've said other than that this team wasn't close to winning anything before players were traded.We even traded for Duchene and got worse.

If you think its that simple not sure what to tell you. I dont care if you have to regurgate anything you are saying that Stone and Karlsson arent good enough to win with. Do you think these players are so easily replaceable?