Bertuzzi files for Arbitration (UPD: $3.5m)

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

2 UFA pickups + 2 G's. Rest are estimations on bridges & LT contracts. ELC (.925) approx...A few of those may be on their bridge by then, but it's late & I don't feel like looking it up (feel free to correct those).

2022:

Raymond .925- Barkov 10 - Mantha 6
Bert 5 - Larkin 9 - Zadina 4.5
Fabbri 4.25 - Veleno .925 - Berggren .925
Maestro .925 - Niederbach .925 - Soderblom .925
Smith .925

Werenski 9.5 - Seider 4.5
Johansson .925 - Hronek 5
McIsaac .925 - Lindstrom 1.2
Wallinder .925 - Tuomisto .925

G ? $$
G ? $

Larkin's a UFA in 2023 so he wont get $9M in 2022, Seider will still be on his ELC. And curious how we're getting Werenski considering he's still an RFA in 2022 and i doubt Jarmo trades him. Barkov most definitely go for him.

 

[Henkka]

Depends on how they use Bogosian. I think Bogosian will be a regular #6 for them, but maybe they platoon Bogosian, Dermott, Sandin and Lehtonen this season.

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Lehtonen - Bogosian
(Dermott)
(kids on the farm)

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Larkin's a UFA in 2023 so he wont get $9M in 2022, Seider will still be on his ELC. And curious how we're getting Werenski considering he's still an RFA in 2022 and i doubt Jarmo trades him. Barkov most definitely go for him.

For some reason I thought Werenski was up for UFA in '22. Maybe it's '23 like Larkin.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

For some reason I thought Werenski was up for UFA in '22. Maybe it's '23 like Larkin.

Yeah pretty sure it's 2023 for Werenski think he has 3 years left until free agency.

 

[FabricDetails]

Still no deal, eh? I keep thinking any minute now.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Still no deal, eh? I keep thinking any minute now.

Probably go to the wire, Wouldn't shock me if a deal doesn't get done until just before his hearing tomorrow.

 

[MBH]

Probably the covid situation brought down his ask. It's not like the players are unaware that their salaries were going to take a hit. Travis Dermott just signed for less than 900, 000 and he would have probably gotten in the 2-3 range in a normal year.

The cap didn't decrease. It stayed flat.
Yzerman ought to be careful about being a cheapskate with a valuable young player.

 

[ShippinItDaily]

The cap didn't decrease. It stayed flat.
Yzerman ought to be careful about being a cheapskate with a valuable young player.

I think Yzerman is wise to be careful with Bertuzzi. I really like the player and want to keep him in the fold long-term, but his production is certainly influenced heavily by an opportunity he wouldn't have had on most other teams in the league.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

The cap didn't decrease. It stayed flat.
Yzerman ought to be careful about being a cheapskate with a valuable young player.

ANY player on this roster is replaceable. Yzerman knows this.

 

[jkutswings]

The cap didn't decrease. It stayed flat.
Yzerman ought to be careful about being a cheapskate with a valuable young player.

You're confusing the appropriate number on a 1 year deal with the appropriate number on a 4-5 year deal. They're very different things.

If Bertuzzi ends up around $3.7M for one year, that's equivalent to $4.5-5M on a longer deal, since the longer deal buys up years of free agency.

 

[Henkka]

You're confusing the appropriate number on a 1 year deal with the appropriate number on a 4-5 year deal. They're very different things.

If Bertuzzi ends up around $3.7M for one year, that's equivalent to $4.5-5M on a longer deal, since the longer deal buys up years of free agency.

Usually those RFA years are almost 1M cheaper than UFA years.

 

[MBH]

I think Yzerman is wise to be careful with Bertuzzi. I really like the player and want to keep him in the fold long-term, but his production is certainly influenced heavily by an opportunity he wouldn't have had on most other teams in the league.

I agree. But that's not an easy argument to win. And I really don't see it being an issue for us in the next 2-3 years anyway.
Funny thing is, I see Bertuzzi as someone who can extend the depth of our lineup.
I think Bertuzzi might allow us to get away with Fabbri as a 2C, for example.

I'd point to this organization's own recent history.
Ken Holland always got quite a bit of credit for the contracts he signed his younger RFAs to.

Athanasiou got a 2 year deal worth $3M... with a salary cap of $79.5M
After two seasons in which he went 34-28-62.

Anyway, I'm having a hard time with the number Bertuzzi put forth for bertuzzi.
And I have a feeling if I went through any of the Bertuzzi contract threads, I'd find a lot of people agreeing with me.

I'd love to know what comparables Yzerman is using.

 

[MBH]

Of all the comparables I listed, I'm thinking this one makes sense for a deal
Bertuzzi 2 years 144 games 42-53-95
Kevin Lebanc 152 games 31-58-89 4x4.725

I think Lebanc has a bit more skill/production, but Bertuzzi is more valuable as a hockey player.

1 year, $4.1M
2 years, $4.3<
3 years, $4. 6M
4 years, $4.9M
5 years, $5.1M

 

[Winger98]

I agree. But that's not an easy argument to win. And I really don't see it being an issue for us in the next 2-3 years anyway.
Funny thing is, I see Bertuzzi as someone who can extend the depth of our lineup.
I think Bertuzzi might allow us to get away with Fabbri as a 2C, for example.

I'd point to this organization's own recent history.
Ken Holland always got quite a bit of credit for the contracts he signed his younger RFAs to.

Athanasiou got a 2 year deal worth $3M... with a salary cap of $79.5M
After two seasons in which he went 34-28-62.

Anyway, I'm having a hard time with the number Bertuzzi put forth for bertuzzi.
And I have a feeling if I went through any of the Bertuzzi contract threads, I'd find a lot of people agreeing with me.

I'd love to know what comparables Yzerman is using.

I'm sure they'll make future contract negotiations easier.

 

[Ricelund]

Malik wrote a post on Bertuzzi’s arbitration and I found this paragraph interesting:

You and I both know by now that Ken Holland basically viewed a player and his agent actually taking the Detroit Red Wings to salary arbitration as a personal affront, as the few players who actually went to arbitration with the Wings were inevitably traded away.

I don’t recall this ever being the case but I’ve never looked into it.

 

[Oddbob]

Malik wrote a post on Bertuzzi’s arbitration and I found this paragraph interesting:

I don’t recall this ever being the case but I’ve never looked into it.

Tatar did, and he got traded not too long after, although I can't remember if he or the team chose that arbitration.

 

[lhsgolf19]

Here we go

 

[FMichael]

Malik wrote a post on Bertuzzi’s arbitration and I found this paragraph interesting:

I don’t recall this ever being the case but I’ve never looked into it.

Old news here...I do recall how Holland was a hard ass to a future HOF that wore 91...

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Bertuzzi + what for Laine?

 

[jkutswings]

Malik wrote a post on Bertuzzi’s arbitration and I found this paragraph interesting:

I don’t recall this ever being the case but I’ve never looked into it.

Holland handed out golden parachutes like candy for years. Which player would object to that? It was only in the last 2-3 years when they actually started rebuilding, that Holland had a few deals that were very fiscally responsible.

 

[FMichael]

Here we go

?
I was always under the impression that a team, and player could work out a deal prior to the arbitration judgment?

Maybe this is the new rule?

 

[datsyukfan]

?
I was always under the impression that a team, and player could work out a deal prior to the arbitration judgment?

Maybe this is the new rule?

ya it’s a new rule

 

[FMichael]

ya it’s a new rule

Well that sucks.

I was optimistic in thinking lil’Bert would’ve signed a multi year contract.

I have seen it mentioned how a arbitration with lil’Bert somehow opens the possibility of having another buyout contract...Anyone care to explain how this is possible?

 

[Ishad]

$4.25 for one year seems reasonable. Feels like a really penny pinching move to go to arbitration rather than settle before it

 

[roman star]

havent been following and wondering if its one year is he rfa or ufa after ?