Bertuzzi files for Arbitration (UPD: $3.5m)

[lhsgolf19]

Mantha did not

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[Peter Tosh]

Yzerman lowballing him?

 

[FMichael]

Yzerman lowballing him?

Quite possibly...Unlike Dubas - Yzerman understands what “RFA” means.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Any guesses to what an arbitrator would award?

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[GreatGordie9]

Any guesses to what an arbitrator would award?

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I would say 4M AAV yr.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

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[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

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[FMichael]

Wouldn’t surprise me if Yzerman sits on Mantha for a while...

 

[FMichael]

I would say 4M AAV yr.

My guess he would be awarded in the $2.75 to $3.25 AAV range for 2 seasons (then becoming a UFA).

Both sides could accept, or ignore this, and work out a deal.

 

[GreatGordie9]

Wouldn’t surprise me if Yzerman sits on Mantha for a while...

Stevie will obviously look at Mantha's injuries in factoring what Anthony will get paid. I would expect both Mantha and Bertuzzi will not get more than 5 year term.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

My guess he would be awarded in the $2.75 to $3.25 AAV range for 2 seasons (then becoming a UFA).

Both sides could accept, or ignore this, and work out a deal.

Pretty sure Bertuzzi has 3 years left, So after 2 years he's still an RFA.

 

[golffuul]

My guess is that Bertuzzi wants term and Yzerman isn't giving anyone a long-term deal until he knows what the team is going to shape up to be.

 

[kliq]

My guess is that Bertuzzi wants term and Yzerman isn't giving anyone a long-term deal until he knows what the team is going to shape up to be.

But if Bertuzzi wanted term, arbitration isn't really the way to get that. Arbitration will just get you a one year deal, right?

 

[Henkka]

Usually these didn't mean a thing.

Going to arbitration just made offer-sheets unavailable. So it's good for the team.

Think Bertuzzi will be signed normally, before any arbitrations.

 

[golffuul]

But if Bertuzzi wanted term, arbitration isn't really the way to get that. Arbitration will just get you a one year deal, right?

But it normally gets you maximum $$ for a 1 year thing and then you push it along, rather than settling for a 1 or 2 year deal at a lower cost because you are RFA. That's the benefit of Arbitration...if you are a good player you get paid more. The downside of arbitration is if you think you are a good player but really aren't, then you've taken a bad gamble on yourself.

 

[GreatGordie9]

But if Bertuzzi wanted term, arbitration isn't really the way to get that. Arbitration will just get you a one year deal, right?

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[golffuul]

Usually these didn't mean a thing.

Going to arbitration just made offer-sheets unavailable. So it's good for the team.

Think Bertuzzi will be signed normally, before any arbitrations.

I totally agree.

 

[kliq]

But it normally gets you maximum $$ for a 1 year thing and then you push it along, rather than settling for a 1 or 2 year deal at a lower cost because you are RFA. That's the benefit of Arbitration...if you are a good player you get paid more. The downside of arbitration is if you think you are a good player but really aren't, then you've taken a bad gamble on yourself.

Sure, I get that. But if your #1 goal is term, isnt it better to sign an offer sheet? Not saying I think he should do that, I'm speaking to the previous poster saying his goal was term.

 

[kliq]

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Thanks, but I get all that. I just dont think if your number #1 goal is "term", that arbitration is you best move. Singing an offer sheet is your best move, and thats not off the table.

 

[golffuul]

Sure, I get that. But if your #1 goal is term, isnt it better to sign an offer sheet? Not saying I think he should do that, I'm speaking to the previous poster saying his goal was term.

Not if you don't want to go to that team. And I was speculating that he wanted term since all players really do. No player I know of wants to contract hop every year or deal with their agent every year in a negotiating process with a team. They all want security and the knowledge of where they are going to be for a foreseeable period of time.

 

[kliq]

Not if you don't want to go to that team. And I was speculating that he wanted term since all players really do. No player I know of wants to contract hop every year or deal with their agent every year in a negotiating process with a team. They all want security and the knowledge of where they are going to be for a foreseeable period of time.

But how often does an offer sheet actually pan out. I can only think of a couple in the last 20 years. I just dont think term was likely the #1 motivator, but who knows, I could be wrong.

As to the bold, of course, I was never arguing any of that.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Usually these didn't mean a thing.

Going to arbitration just made offer-sheets unavailable. So it's good for the team.

Think Bertuzzi will be signed normally, before any arbitrations.

Doubt any sane GM would offer sheet Bertuzzi, Mantha is the one i'd worry about way more then Bert.

 

[golffuul]

Not if you don't want to go to that team. And I was speculating that he wanted term since all players really do. No player I know of wants to contract hop every year or deal with their agent every year in a negotiating process with a team. They all want security and the knowledge of where they are going to be for a foreseeable period of time.

I think what is at issue is that Yzerman appears to not be giving out long-term contracts to just anyone, until he knows what the makeup of this team is going to be. And even though players want term, that if Yzerman is telling players to just keep at it and make yourself part of the "plan", then sometimes a player has to take a gamble and just take the 1-year deal from arbitration, while still getting a good $$ value, and then come back the next year and say to Yzerman, "Good enough?" I think that the last year or so has been a bit of an ordeal with a lot of veterans playing very subpar hockey. This year, now that they are gone, how will the young guns react and will they make the team their own now that they don't have the flock of albatrosses hanging around.

 

[Reddwit]

My guess he would be awarded in the $2.75 to $3.25 AAV range for 2 seasons (then becoming a UFA).

Both sides could accept, or ignore this, and work out a deal.

Can you name even one comparable RFA who got less than $3M?

 

[kliq]

I think what is at issue is that Yzerman appears to not be giving out long-term contracts to just anyone, until he knows what the makeup of this team is going to be. And even though players want term, that if Yzerman is telling players to just keep at it and make yourself part of the "plan", then sometimes a player has to take a gamble and just take the 1-year deal from arbitration, while still getting a good $$ value, and then come back the next year and say to Yzerman, "Good enough?" I think that the last year or so has been a bit of an ordeal with a lot of veterans playing very subpar hockey. This year, now that they are gone, how will the young guns react and will they make the team their own now that they don't have the flock of albatrosses hanging around.

I'm assuming you meant to quote me, not yourself?

When you articulate your argument like this, I agree with you.